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Crytek employee accurately answers interview question; gets shat on for no reason
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phxxBullet
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Cmon, everyone knows they're just too lazy to optimize their games..
Also, that link is awesome haha. Love how everyone was like "8gig is way to much" back then in '11.
Will most likely be the same in 2016/17 with 16gig (in the PC area). I'd go for 16gigs for a new build which should last for some years, and lots of people think that more than 8 gigs won't be needed in the future.
In 2017 there will be a topic about how much you need 16gigs of RAM, and a link back to '14 saying: "ooh, nono, 8gig you go, 8gig fine, 16 too much"
Also, that link is awesome haha. Love how everyone was like "8gig is way to much" back then in '11.
Will most likely be the same in 2016/17 with 16gig (in the PC area). I'd go for 16gigs for a new build which should last for some years, and lots of people think that more than 8 gigs won't be needed in the future.
In 2017 there will be a topic about how much you need 16gigs of RAM, and a link back to '14 saying: "ooh, nono, 8gig you go, 8gig fine, 16 too much"
Mobile phones use a.different kind of ram altogether, and regardless, a mobile phone typically costs more than the ps4
The tessellation thing, I'll give you (even though I've never had too many problems regarding that.) . The physics issue was fixed a while ago.
I thought that they reserved more than was needed due to future upgrades.
I figured that the OS used some, but 3GB?! Daaaaamn. So the max that devs will ever have access to is 5GB?
they said "minimum." Even when crytek says something which makes complete sense, you people still find ways to complain.
I thin ut's better to push the developers to use better what they have than to give all from the start. Imho.
knerlington
Banned
Just what do you know about optimization? Is all their recent games unoptimized just because they aren't running the way you want them to on your computer?
Doesn't mean they're unoptimized. Probably one of the most optimized engines out there considering all that eye candy and scale.
True, but what on earth are they planning that needs all that? It just seems like a waste to me.
If you know that, then I'm not sure why you're making this comparison.
Crytek are shit at optimising.
Because probably Ryse on ps4 would be 900p to stay at steady 30 fps? If I'm not wrong, the same Crytek said Ryse would be 900p on ps4 too.
Earthpainting
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To be fair, they did say "minimum" and they said it in 2011. I doubt they would have expected last gen to have lasted as long as it did.
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Saint Titanfall
They're talking several years into the future. Just like 512 MB was fine when those console released several years later those limitations certainly weren't fine.
But I honestly don't think/hope this generation doesn't last that long.
That seems slightly implausible seeing as how that managed to fit the Crysis games into 512MB of RAM as well.
thunder_snail
Member
A company whose main business is making game engines focused on uber graphics wanting more hardware? Preposterous!
Stitch
Gold Member
Nah, I trust him. Still weird that Ultra runs so bad compared to very high. The screenshots look nearly identical...
But I still think that adding tessellation to so many useless objects, even if it doesn't seem to affect performance much, isn't good optimization.
Good that they fixed the bug in Crysis 3. Haven't played since then. Got bored and went back to Crysis 1 lol.
Dictator93
Member
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It runs worse due to shading changes. Like more phsically accurate everything, SSR (firt game to ever even use it), SSDO instead of SSAO, etc...
Also, that tesselation technique costs nexts to nothing (Phong Tesselation). It is just regenerating the topolgy and breaking it down the closer you get.
They ran like crap, though.
Crysis 1 on PC, even though it looked incredible, was not optimised very well at all. Crytek themselves admitted this.
One game. Compared to the rest of their titles released, that are very well optimized. As discussed in the thread.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
I remember, back in january 2013, when most people expecte 2-4GB of RAM in next gen consoles.
They Sony came out with 8GB of GDDR5 and people went nuts. But then they tought this will lead to a 599$ pricepoint again. They the Ps4 was 399 and people went nuts again.
And now many people view next gen consoles to be quite weak in terms of hardware already.
Boy, what a year...
I think Crytek might be right, but first we'll see next gen only engines and next gen only titles make goo use of the next gen architectures.
I'm pretty sure we'll see a significant jump in graphics in the coming year.
Games we have now do not show what these machines are capable of, not even games like Ryse or Infamous.
They Sony came out with 8GB of GDDR5 and people went nuts. But then they tought this will lead to a 599$ pricepoint again. They the Ps4 was 399 and people went nuts again.
And now many people view next gen consoles to be quite weak in terms of hardware already.
Boy, what a year...
I think Crytek might be right, but first we'll see next gen only engines and next gen only titles make goo use of the next gen architectures.
I'm pretty sure we'll see a significant jump in graphics in the coming year.
Games we have now do not show what these machines are capable of, not even games like Ryse or Infamous.
Not because the ps4 isn't more powerful, but because they'd rather push visuals and tech at the expense of higher image quality. Why that's so hard for most to understand I don't know.
Crysis 2 and 3 ran well on consoles? Never played them so I don't know, but I think I remember DF's analysis saying they weren't too great.
There's a possibility. We can't be sure of that. Maybe the same Ryse ported to the PS4 would use its hardware advantages to perform better.
I understand what you mean. But take the Mass Effect franchise as an example. The first game had a lot of texture streaming issues. Their solution for the next games was to make the level design smaller with more loading areas. The third game had to cut the holster weapon mechanic because of memory issues. Of course they have way more than 512/256 MB of RAM to use now, but, as I said before, games will also get more demanding in the future. So devs will need to get solutions to optimize that will either mean cut features or make less dynamic worlds than they first intended.
Dictator93
Member
Of course, you are welcome!
Maldo always gets to the bottom of things. Including great texture work.
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Saint Titanfall
One game does not an argument make (and it's an awful argument to begin with). It's like saying someone sucks at making products because they made a crappy product several years ago. There's this thing called learning, iteration and improvement.
Crysis 2 and 3 ran fine (they didn't run amazing on consoles but they ran pretty well considering the technical limitations).
There's a lot more they could do with 40% more power than just bump up performance by 5fps or so.
Claude Kenni
Member
And he didn't even say RAM would be the number one limiting factor like the title implies, he said "this will be one of the limiting factors".
TheSpaceBetween
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Not nearly as limiting a factor compared to their unimaginative game design.
Watch it, seanspeed doesn't like any fun in this thread.
Crysis 1 was an example, not the only argument. As I said above, I believe DF's analysis of Crysis 2 and 3 on consoles came to the conclusion that they weren't greatly optimised.
Edit: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-crysis2-face-off
Well, it's what they have said: 900p would been mandatory on ps4 too. I don't know about the rest.
CassidyIzABeast
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I think people are forgetting that Crytek ported Crysis 1 to PS3 and 360.
mcz117chief
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Look at all that juice that companies like Naughty Dog, Rockstar, 343i, Epic and others managed to get out of the ancient PS360s. I really can't wait to see games for Xbone and PS4 in 4-5 years.
I have Crysis 1 on ps3. Better not talking about it, believe me.
That is hilarious in 2 ways: 1) Crytek eating crow after requesting 8 gigs in the first place, and 2) the amount of commenters brushing aside needing 8 gigs
SomedayTheFire
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You could fill up 8gb of RAM with even simple games if you doing optimise it. What a nothing statement.
You're right.
In fact, I can't even find this supposed interview with this Sean Tracy Crytek guy. What the hell.. Where is it..?