I don't think we're allowed to link to it as it's from a leaked version. Just search Tomb Raider 2013 Part 4 on YT and sort the result orders by date.
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First Tomb Raider Review out in the wild - Embargo up on Monday 02/25
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I don't think we're allowed to link to it as it's from a leaked version. Just search Tomb Raider 2013 Part 4 on YT and sort the result orders by date.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
the important part is that you can only be a strong woman if you are forced into it by having men assault you. If she'd never had that shipwreck she'd have been more than happy in the kitchen where she belongs, amirite?
It's a good thing Amelia Earhart was beaten up and groped by those thugs at an early age, because she would never have done something as unfeminine as be an explorer or aviator off of her own personality, no wait, that never happened and she didn't need to be forced into her career as a reactive position.
The original Lara Croft had paper thin characterisation, but just asked you to accept the premise that a girl can go out and be a thrill seeking adventurer implicitly.
It is all sorts of fucked up that a 21st century re-imagining can't even provide that.
Why even attach the Tomb Raider name to it, when not a single thing is used from it? The gameplays gone, the character is gone, just call it Rape Island Survivor or whatever.
EDIT:
My fundamental problem with the new characterisation is that somebody decided Lara Croft needed an excuse to be a gung-ho asskicker.
When "main character is a born bad ass" is sufficient for every game with a male protagonist ever.
You don't need to see Marcus Fenix getting all that prison butt sex rape to justify his overly macho posturing and daily steroid regimen physique.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
We just need that thisisneogaf.gif with Thanks Obama added at the end to achieve critical mass
I suppose I'll go fish around youtube for a bit with the rest of you folks.
This is a good post. I'm sorry I just never thought of it like this really. There's a reason I avoid all the feminism talks on this board. I have no real input on it.
Even the original Lara had an "excuse" as you call it. She only became a Tomb Raider because she crashed in the Himalayas when she was 21 (not 9, Crystal *rollseyes*) and had to survive on her own. This is pretty much the same. And she already is strong. The strength is within her from the start. However, yes, something obviously must've gone terribly wrong with her to later on decide that she wants to spend her life doing the things she's done throughout the TR series. It has nothing to do with her being a woman. No sane person, woman or man, would do those things willingly. Especially not "for sport". So yes, you do need a shocking, disturbing experience like surviving on this hell island for a normal person to turn into a cold-hearted, badass adventurer like classic Lara Croft.
EDIT: I agree that the portrayal of men and women in games is awfully stereotypical in a lot of cases. But the fault her does not lie with Crystal for wanting to create a somewhat believable origins story for their character. It lies with other developers who feel like men don't need them.
someone earlier said Xbox and yeah cause the prompts said hit X to bust open boxes and pick up ammo so yeah xbox
kunonabi
Member
No you don't. None of that leads into the adventurer/archeologist aspect of Lara just the mass murderer dimension that Crystal loves to push so much.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Not even close to true based on real world historical precedent.
There have been thrill seeking adventurers throughout history, both men and women.
That's like saying any astronaut must have had some fucked up shit happen in their childhood for them to be crazy enough to become an astronaut.
Anyone?
loganclaws
Plane Escape Torment
When was this mentioned? It's probably some graphical feature.
dragonbane
Member
Lara: "Let's hope we don't become murderers too."
I have bad news for you...
I have bad news for you...
You mean the mass murderer Lara has been since Core's TR2
?I don't think those adventurers did what Lara has done or was as cold-hearted at doing it.
You mean the mass murderer Lara has been since Core's TR2
This really isn't a good defense because people didn't even like it in THOSE games but at least they weren't designed around high action combat sequences like this game is. Only the final 2 levels of TR2 are combat-focused. She wasn't running around stylishly shoving arrows and axes in peoples skulls.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
You mean the mass murderer Lara has been since Core's TR2
I think you can agree how extreme and violent is Lara in this game compared in Core's version. Also Core's version didn't tried to explain how she goes from a tender teenager to a violent ruthless murderer in a few hours.
You seems mad.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Francis Drake - as a famous example - was a slaver, and responsible for the deaths of hundreds, both civilians and children in Ireland, Spanish sailors in the ships he plundered, and his own crew.
He wasn't shipwrecked on an island and groped by big burly mercenaries at any point in his childhood.
You mean the mass murderer Lara has been since Core's TR2
I don't think those adventurers did what Lara has done or was as cold-hearted at doing it.
Only played the new trilogy. Was she always supposed to be so sadistic? Strangling people with her bowstring and walking up to them to plunge an arrow in the neck seems above and beyond what I remember in Legends and Underworld. That isn't cold-blooded, that is enjoyment, she clearly needs to see and feel the life drain from her prey.
When Christopher Columbus landed in America all he could think about was how easy it would be for a small group of soldiers to defeat and enslave the natives because they were so friendly.
I wouldn't say that the new game will be designed around action combat. Like you said, TR2 had two combat focused levels but the rest of the game wasn't. So just because we've seen lots of combat in footage from this game doesn't mean that's what the whole game will be about.
It certainly is more violent than Core's combat. But Core's Lara was extremely cold-blooded. Just think about the ending of TR3.
sublimit
Banned
To be fair the Venice levels also had lots of shooting but the main difference here is that even with all that combat TR2's main focus was still on platforming,exploration,traps and puzzle solving unlike what they have shown us of the upcoming reboot.Unless there is a hidden game in there i bet the upcoming game is at least 80% about shooting.
And not to mention that TR2 was just one game that had excessive human combat out of six of Core Design's TR games.
Those were completely different times when people had different views on death, violence and killing. Not to mention that - to Francis Drake - slaves were probably not actual human beings. So no, that's not comparable.
That was my point. This new Tomb Raider has sections where you're just running through linear hallways fighting waves of dudes to progress; most of that IGN walkthrough. The levels in TR2 were designed around platforming and puzzles, with dudes in a lot of them, but never designed around the dudes. This game has entire sections dedicated to dude killing.
Well it's outside too mostly and shantys.
BTW it seems the part the devs shown a lot of was just the beginning part, the island is pretty big.
You mean the mass murderer Lara has been since Core's TR2
In the Core Tomb Raider games, the main gameplay was never killing humans.
sublimit
Banned
I don't think the radio tower section is in the beginning.And they have shown way too much of it.
Crystal's games so far featured more a Barbie version of Lara Croft than the actual Lara Croft. That being said, the new Lara isn't sadistic. At least not at the beginning of the game. She's desparate. Sure, she sometimes initiates combat but only because she knows that the guys would kill her, so she might as well get an advantage on them by being the first to attack. And she uses whatever she can to get out of their alive. She certainly is too powerful in comparison to her enemies (except if everything they've shown so far was on easy difficulty), though.
But Core's Lara was certainly on the sadistic side, sometimes. Just watch this cutscene from Tomb Raider: Chronicles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PamoveF61ww
No and I still hope that won't be the case in this game, either. But she still killed an awful lot of humans in the classics so that makes her a mass murderer.
Well I can't tell. Still seems kinda beginning.
also...Lara's friends. I want them to die.
The radio tower is about 2-3 hours into the game, I think. It's about the ending of the opening third from what I've read.
That's because the men she kills are trying to kill her and her friends. The pilot, on the other hand, was killed by those same men.
There are notable people besides her and that Conrad Roth dude?
no, I'm hoping they get killed off but eh...
sublimit
Banned
Why she was sadistic?She didn't even laid a finger on him.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing. That's one of my favourite Lara moments, actually. I'm just saying that she's always been a cold-hearted bitch which is why I don't understand people saying things like Lara isn't a mass murderer, etc.
Ah okay, haha.
I'm doing a characters section for the OT, it's just her and Roth at the moment. If I can find any solid art of the mercenaries that are attacking them, I'll put them in as well.
The mercs all look the same to me. At first I thought they were big but it's just the stupid coats or sweaters they're wearing.
How would she know?
Look at the official TR Facebook page. They're currently releasing bios for all of Lara's friends (one per day):
http://www.facebook.com/TombRaider
So far we've got Lara, Roth, Sam, Reyes, Whitman, Jonah, Alex and Grim. There are more Endurance crew members but I'm not sure if we'll get bios for all fo them.
EDIT: And here's a list with multiplayer skins (which has also got some of the scavengers). Careful! SPOILERS! http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/...y_tombraider_survivor-d5ruhq6_zpsd7c208df.png
kunonabi
Member
The difference is the old games didn't play it up and make it the entire driving force of the narrative and game. It's always been an aspect that nobody cared for but this reboot is doubling down on it in order to attract the Cod/gears audience.
Damn, Lara is just mauling these guys so bad that they're already calling for backup.
kunonabi
Member
Original RE I hope. REmake knife runs are a joke.
Exactly. See, it's like people completely misunderstand context with this sort of thing.
Why a joke? Seems difficult to me. Yeah it's director's cut.
Its not interesting, game leaked today.
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