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[BamfMeat]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/14/k...lly-won-the-same-sex-marriage-license-battle/

Republican Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin signed a bill Wednesday that brings “statutory finality” to the long battle over marriage licenses in the state, WLKY reports. Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis refused in 2015 to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples with her name on them, citing her religious belief in traditional marriage. She was sued and jailed for five days when a judge held her in contempt of court, but she was later released when other employees in the clerk’s office began issuing licenses.

The bill changes marriage licenses so they do not include the county clerk’s name and allow people to check whether they are a bride, groom or spouse.

So basically, instead of holding a government official to their duties, we'll just change the entire law around her.

Searched, didn't find anything. Refuse to sign my marriage license if old.

 

[perfectchaos007]

I'm generally okay with ignoring the Federal government and promoting states rights ( like with marijuana laws and such ) but this is bullshit. County Clerk's are required to sign that license

 

[Magwik]

what the fuck

 

[MacGurcules]

I'm generally okay with ignoring the Federal government and promoting states rights ( like with marijuana laws and such ) but this is bullshit

Read again. This isn't about Kentucky making it okay to deny licenses. This is Kentucky just cutting county clerks out of the loop.

Maybe not as ideologically ideal, but it's a good move.

 

[Quonny]

As a hopefully temporary solution (as time passes and people learn to accept it this will be less and less of an issue...I hope), I guess it's not the worst.

At the end of the day if these couples are officially married that's what matters. One of the happiest days in their lives won't be ruined by some idiot. These bigots will eventually die.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Why even waste time hiring these people and keeping them on if you're just gonna make concessions for them when they don't want to do their job?

 

[Pai Pai Master]

This bitch should have just been fired ages ago and now they're actually changing the law around her?

 

[perfectchaos007]

Read again. This isn't about Kentucky making it okay to deny licenses. This is Kentucky just cutting county clerks out of the loop.

Maybe not as ideologically ideal, but it's a good move.

I still think the clerks should be required to sign the licenses. It's part of their job. And what if her outsourced employees also refuse to sign due to religious reason?

 

[davepoobond]

they're basically making it so that both sides get what they want, when really only one side is correct on the matter.

I still think the clerks should be required to sign the licenses. It's part of their job. And what if her outsourced employees also refuse to sign due to religious reason?

her name doesnt appear on the certificate anymore. why does it matter if one particular clerk signs it or it is issued by the "office"? this doesnt give them an out to reject the certificate.

 

[Kard8p3]

fuck my state

thnk god im trying to move to chicago

 

[Somnid]

Fine with me. The only reason others have to sign the license is due to religious policing in the first place.

 

[Kibbles]

Wait how is she still a clerk? lmao wtf

 

[The Lamonster]

How does she still have that job? She should be taking orders at the local McDonald's by now.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Some bosses won't even let their employees call in sick without a two day notice but this lady can outright refuse to do her job. smh

 

[riotous]

I'm guessing this will be struck down; theoretically this could stop people from using a constitutionally protected right. What if all of the clerks refuse?

I really hope these idiots enacting these laws cause a huge backlash against this sort of ridiculous social conservatism. The majority of people support gay marriage and that majority continues to grow. Good fucking luck staying relevant with this asinine attitude.

edit: nevermind sounds like you just don't need a signature anymore

 

[Fenderputty]

As long as Gay people can get married I have a real hard time caring about this.

 

[Stumpokapow]

If it is the case that the legislature can amend statute so as to remove the legal requirement of a county clerk's signature from important county documents, why do county clerks have a job at all? It's an egregious waste of taxpayer money that representatives know they could eliminate the position by simply passing a few more bills like this one and they choose not to. Fire every single county clerk (or eliminate the position by statute, whatever), reduce their statutory authority to 0, and hire a cheaper office manager for any of the personnel duties they have. Anyone who disagrees with this is a tax-and-spend liberal passing out benefits to their high-paid civil service friends.

 

[radios shipping overview]

So now there's no way some petty county employee can stand in the way of a license being granted?

I'm not seeing how this is a bad thing.

 

[perfectchaos007]

they're basically making it so that both sides get what they want, when really only one side is correct on the matter.



her name doesnt appear on the certificate anymore. why does it matter if one particular clerk signs it or it is issued by the "office"? this doesnt give them an out to reject the certificate.

I'm afraid they'll try to find a way, but I hope you're right

 

[Arkeband]

This bitch should have just been fired ages ago and now they're actually changing the law around her?

Wasn't it repeated ad nauseum before that she couldn't be fired?

 

[Korigama]

I wonder how many other jobs people are allowed to keep after making national headlines for refusing to actually do their work...

 

[InsaneZero]

So now there's no way some petty county employee can stand in the way of a license being granted?

I'm not seeing how this is a bad thing.

It's a bad thing because there's no point in even hiring that employee anymore.

 

[Netherscourge]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/14/k...lly-won-the-same-sex-marriage-license-battle/



So basically, instead of holding a government official to their duties, we'll just change the entire law around her.

Searched, didn't find anything. Refuse to sign my marriage license if old.

I'm fine with this actually.

Religion and state should be separated. This way, you don't force anyone to compromise their beliefs for their job, nor do you compromise anyone else's rights based on someone else's religious belief.

He has effectively separated all philosophy from the certificate process and reworded it so that any couple can marry, regardless of sexual preference. That's exactly how it should be.

 

[radios shipping overview]

It's a bad thing because there's no point in even hiring that employee anymore.

A county clerk does a lot more than just issue marriage licenses. Most of it is not very notable work, but there's work to be done.

 

[Kinsei]

Oh fuck off Kentucky. If clerks refuse to sign marriage licenses then they should be fined/imprisoned.

 

[Netherscourge]

If it is the case that the legislature can amend statute so as to remove the legal requirement of a county clerk's signature from important county documents, why do county clerks have a job at all? It's an egregious waste of taxpayer money that representatives know they could eliminate the position by simply passing a few more bills like this one and they choose not to. Fire every single county clerk (or eliminate the position by statute, whatever), reduce their statutory authority to 0, and hire a cheaper office manager for any of the personnel duties they have. Anyone who disagrees with this is a tax-and-spend liberal passing out benefits to their high-paid civil service friends.

Hey, if it cuts a wasteful job and saves the state money, then get rid of the position!

 

[studyguy]

Shit's stupid, do your job proper.

 

[Kaako]

These ass backwards dumb mothafuckas! The amount of stupidity in this country is beyond staggering.

 

[fantomena]

That's gross.

 

[Anoregon]

Always and forever.

 

[riotous]

I'm fine with this actually.

Religion and state should be separated. This way, you don't force anyone to compromise their beliefs for their job, nor do you compromise anyone else's rights based on someone else's religious belief.

He has effectively separated all philosophy from the certificate process. That's exactly how it should be.

Except nobody is forced to do anything; they always have the option to quit.

If this is some precedent? Why limit it to marriage licenses? Why have government employees involved in any act? Couldn't any act theoretically be against their beliefs? Why limit it to government employees; should someone be allowed to be a doctor whose religion doesn't believe in anything but faith healing?

Religion and State ARE separated; you actually have it sort of backwards. This is allowing a government employee to bring their religion into the "State."

The government allows religions to be involved in marriage licensing; if anything that is what should be removed based on the precedent you speak of.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Wasn't Kim Davis found to have had multiple marriages and even children out of wedlock? But when it comes to putting her name on a piece of paper for a gay couple to be united thats where her religious beliefs come into play. How's that for massive hypocrisy!?

 

[Aselith]

Will be struck down by the Supreme Court

her name doesnt appear on the certificate anymore. why does it matter if one particular clerk signs it or it is issued by the "office"? this doesnt give them an out to reject the certificate.

So who is authorizing the union? Some government worker will still have to recognize the union so who is that?

 

[BamfMeat]

I'm fine with this actually.

Religion and state should be separated. This way, you don't force anyone to compromise their beliefs for their job, nor do you compromise anyone else's rights based on someone else's religious belief.

He has effectively separated all philosophy from the certificate process and reworded it so that any couple can marry, regardless of sexual preference. That's exactly how it should be.

Religion and state should be separated. That means that someones religious convictions need to be checked at the door, not a law molded around them. There's a huge difference.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Wasn't Kim Davis found to have had multiple marriages and even children out of wedlock? But when it comes to putting her name on a piece of paper for a gay couple to be united thats where her religious beliefs come into play. How's that for massive hypocrisy!?

Impressive but of course Christians are exempt from following the standards of their own values because they're all automatically more holy and thus forgivable since they're Christian.

 

[Slayven]

Then why they still paying her? Seems like they could free up some money in the budget

 

[davepoobond]

Will be struck down by the Supreme Court




So who is authorizing the union? Some government worker will still have to recognize the union so who is that?

seems like literally anyone in the office can do so. whoever did it for the one that Kim Davis refused to, for starters

 

[Wilsongt]

Fuck Bevin.

 

[radios shipping overview]

So who is authorizing the union? Some government worker will still have to recognize the union so who is that?

The only signatures required seem to be those of the parties being married and the person performing the marriage.

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/record/16RS/SB216/HCS1.pdf

 

[BeardyChan]

When does this go into effect? I only ask because the bride/groom/spouse is exactly what I'm looking for in my marriage license. I'm not partner B!

And yes I understand this might upset some folks. If this is a work around just know time heals all wounds and eventually the problem people will be gone.