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King of Fighters XIV - Demo Impressions thread (out now, free)
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He's a chain based character so you have to approach him with a different mindset, the two special moves are icing on the cake.
The way his chains work is that they are divided into three stages:
Stage 1: Starter moves (they initiate the chaining process)
Stage 2: Chains (can only be done after a starter mentioned above)
Stage 3: Finisher (can only be done after a Chain move)
So if you want to do a stage 2 move then you have to do a stage 1 move first and if you want a stage 3 move then you have to go through stages 1 and 2 first. You can do these not only on hit or block but even on whiff. So you can quickly whiff a Starter or Chain move and do a Finisher overhead etc.
A bonus stage is movement, he can forward or back dash after Chain moves, and this preserves the entire chain combo. So if you are doing a Chain move and then do the dash then you can still land the Finisher after the dash.
The moves are done as follows:
Starters: forward+LP, back+LP and forward+LK (you can only do one of these in a combo)
Chains: (up, down, left or right+LK) (you can do up to two of these in combo)
Finisher: (up, down, left or right+HP)
Movement: (forward or back+HK)(can only be done after Chain moves)
The Chains and Finishers have different properties, some are normal hits, others are lows, overheads, hard knockdowns etc. You can stack up to three lows or overheads in a chain combo for example, or create a combination with 2 lows and an overhead etc.
Taking the above into account, here are a few simple combos to get you started:
Standing: st. HP (2 hits)>forward+LP>forward+LK>forward+HP
Low: cr.B, cr.A, back+LP, back+LK, up+HP
Overhead: foward+LK, forward+LK, back+LK, forward+HP
As you get used to his moves you can add more attacks to the above to increase damage or mix things up with overheads, lows, unblockable etc.
'til your last breath
Ha! I actually expected a Dudley/Steve Fox kind of character but nope, SNK went ham and gave us another gameplay style.
Give it a try, he's damn fun and has loooooots of stuff to experiment with.
Good stuff bud!
Finaika
Member
Mai will be in DOA.
Yep, saw the announcement. It's the movement in KOF which felt better than SFV to me, SF feels so stiff now.
SquirrelSoup
Member
Recorded some beginner Mai combos for people who don't know where to start.
Thanks
Great work man, a few people were asking for her basic BnBs so this should be really helpful.
the androgyne
Member
CPU Level 5 AI in training is exceedingly difficult yet oddly fair (but that isn't helping me much!)
Punishes everything with the best it can do, pretty much always. Wish i could replay in slow motion to see understand some of the stuff it's pulling off!
On a side note, i wish they'd bought back the infinite scrolling Geese Tower from Real Bout... would have handy in training when you want to try stuff without walls.
Punishes everything with the best it can do, pretty much always. Wish i could replay in slow motion to see understand some of the stuff it's pulling off!
On a side note, i wish they'd bought back the infinite scrolling Geese Tower from Real Bout... would have handy in training when you want to try stuff without walls.
Thank you for these!
No input reading ?
mikefrails
Banned
I've never been into KoF but this feels really, really good to play.
the androgyne
Member
Well, it gets a LOT of Just Defends! But it's mostly just a very good defence that punishes at every opportunity. I could barely find an opening!
Curry-Hakase
Member
not feeling the jumping and hopping in this game, doesn't feel as responsive as XIII
Agreed.
IIRC i read that they changed the jumps to make 'em work better during online play.
I've been playing against Level 6, might bump it down to Level 5 because I suck.
But both levels of AI are far, far more fun and fair to play against than any level of AI in SFV.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Which is an ass backwards way of doing things but then you have people going on about how "new players! muh accessibility" and how they know that one guy who quit playing because Kyo's hop 2C in the corner is an infinite blockstring.
Bullshit, level 6 does more input reading than any SFV AI difficulty level, and by a wide margin. What's worse, the AI is very one dimensional which make exploiting it piss easy. It's the combination of the worst two things you could have a FG AI do. Just thank god you wont have to go through 50 levels of this pos AI to unlock colors. ;p
This is weird in retrospective, playing the demo, it feels like the KoF with the easiest AA game! Input delay looks good too, AAing hops feels easier than AAing SFV jump ins.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Finaika
Member
I love Mai too.
Curry-Hakase
Member
This is weird in retrospective, playing the demo, it feels like the KoF with the easiest AA game! Input delay looks good too, AAing hops feels easier than AAing SFV jump ins.
There's a difference between messing around with a demo and an actual match
If Xiao Hai is eating jumpings with his crazy reactions then you know it's not as much of a big deal as some think it is.
Generally speaking the changes are more character specific anyway, some had their jumps slowed down slightly (Kyo), some have them the same (Ryo) while others had their's sped up (Leona, Chin, Maxima).
maybe XIV has 8f of delay too
It's the other way around actually with XIV it seems, Atma (?) mentioned in his vid that XIII had 4f delay on its normals but in XIV that delay has been completely removed.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Nah they didn't put 8f in this lol, MikeZ actually tested it too. It's about in line with Xrd on console with respect to input lag.
I don't think jumps and hops have been made ineffective, but I don't like that they made design decisions taking online play and beginner level play into account that have an effect on how the game feels when played offline.
I don't think jumps and hops have been made ineffective, but I don't like that they made design decisions taking online play and beginner level play into account that have an effect on how the game feels when played offline.
I hope they fix some annoying problems in the training mode, the CPU dummy blocks too often with the 1-hit guard option and you can't jump over your opponents in the corner.
Thank god!
mikefrails
Banned
It looks good for a current gen fighter to me. Less flashy and more to the point.
Tizoc
Member
oh the demo doesn't have an expiry date? wow that's very generous of snk
Generous? Have you never played a demo before?
Finaika
Member
I think he's comparing it to SFV.
Dang! Cold blooded.
The Lone Dragon
Member
SF5 had a beta test. That wasn't a demo, but whatever. Facts aren't important. Attempting to prop your game up by attacking others is what's really important here.
We're doing that now?
... I'm having more fun with KOFXIV's demo than I have with anything in Street Fighter V since April. Actually more impressed by its presentation, launch-date modes, animation, roster lineup, and sense of humor even.
Boom.
How do you feel about the KoF XIV demo, though?
SkylineRKR
Member
This demo is pretty good. It plays like KOF. Though the jumps feel sort of floaty but perhaps its just me. Controls are very tight.
Damn, Iori bring back the 02um challenge mode grab combo loop:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155147158629546&id=310748484545
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155147158629546&id=310748484545
Tizoc
Member
Desk tests out KING OF DINOSAURS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJAB-c8QtTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJAB-c8QtTo
The Lone Dragon
Member
I feel that King of Dinos is looking crap tier, and I'm looking forward to seeing good players prove me wrong. That's the best part of watching new games develop.
Overall, demo is cool. I always buy KOF games day 1 regardless.
That's nice. You're free to like what you want.
But, the constant comparisons to SF5 aren't helping KOF14. They come off as "notice me senpai" attempts to maintain relevance. If people can't talk about this game for 5 minutes without bringing up SF5 to try to prop up KOF14, then there's a problem. Either with the game or with YOU.
The top comment in every KOF14 trailer is "Take that SF5!" Meanwhile, comments in SF5 trailers are about SF5. Do you not see how pathetic that is?
Let KOF14 stand on its own merits, unless you think it can't.
You sound like a tiny dog barking at a bigger dog who doesn't even know you're there.
Is KOF14 worthy enough to be a big dog? If you think so, then stop acting like it's a little dog.
Choppasmith
Member
I find this very confusing. You're saying KoF has to stand on its own merits, yet can't complain about how lacking SFV looks in comparison? How is that supposed to work?
Edit: Sure I can understand that simple "take that" comments are getting tiresome, but it just sounds like you're being bitter.
TheSpoiler
Member
Can we stop with the comparisons and shitting on either fighting game? This is the kind of shit fighting games don't need. If you don't like SFV, or KOF, or whatever, that's fine, and if you prefer one over the other, that's fine too! Hell, both games can learn from each other in some regards.
But the genre is already niche enough. No need to fragment it anymore than it already is with pointless shittery. Chen said that a rising tide lifts all boats when it comes to fighters. If you want the scene to grow and your game to get more people in it, you need more fighting games in general.
Anyway, back on topic.
I really wonder how people are going to break into the point of using him in a real match well. For me, I'm already shit, but it feels like he has a tough time trying to get things started and his normals feel like butt. Those combos look so good though. I'm hoping for the best because he's so interesting.
If the demo is anything to go by, Iori and KoD are two I'd consider locking in. I've always liked Iori, and KoD would be fun if I could get him to work. With all the new fighting games coming out, I'm going to really try and lock in mains a lot quicker than I have been.
But the genre is already niche enough. No need to fragment it anymore than it already is with pointless shittery. Chen said that a rising tide lifts all boats when it comes to fighters. If you want the scene to grow and your game to get more people in it, you need more fighting games in general.
Anyway, back on topic.
I really wonder how people are going to break into the point of using him in a real match well. For me, I'm already shit, but it feels like he has a tough time trying to get things started and his normals feel like butt. Those combos look so good though. I'm hoping for the best because he's so interesting.
If the demo is anything to go by, Iori and KoD are two I'd consider locking in. I've always liked Iori, and KoD would be fun if I could get him to work. With all the new fighting games coming out, I'm going to really try and lock in mains a lot quicker than I have been.
Also let's step referencing Youtube comments, that is never a good idea.
With the requisite disclaimer that I'm not very good at the game, KoD's game kind of sort of reminds me Shermie in that you can't really do anything unless you manage to get very close, but your opponents know this. In KoD's case, using the qcf + k attack as a whiff looks like it may be a solid way to gain ground. It's faster than his other options of getting in.
With the requisite disclaimer that I'm not very good at the game, KoD's game kind of sort of reminds me Shermie in that you can't really do anything unless you manage to get very close, but your opponents know this. In KoD's case, using the qcf + k attack as a whiff looks like it may be a solid way to gain ground. It's faster than his other options of getting in.
Fucking. This.