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[ViolentP]

I think the real concern here is that he will introduce South America to hacking. Next thing you know, Hong Kong will be doing it.

 

[Nairume]

Isn't is likely that his family had planned and saved up for the trip independently of his court costs and have just taken him along for whatever reason?

But, nope! He used his money given to him to fight dear Lord Sony-sama and so he is ever more the villain.

 

[Kyoufu]

I support his actions wholeheartedly.

You should donate to him.

 

[Jobiensis]

Eh? I've been following Zoe's comments since the start of this whole thing and they're pretty non-fanboyish and non-inflammatory. I'm surprised.

Yeah, I don't agree with Zoe, but he always has good points and isn't a rah-rah Sony type.

 

[MrPliskin]

Erm, that would still be considered tampering with evidence lol. if you're innocent and have nothing to hide there's really no reason to do such a thing.

Sure there is. If you're an attention hungry, socially awkward man-child, then there's plenty of reason to appease your own ego and sense of self importance.

If he used the donation money, it is poor form. If he used his own personal funds, it is not.

If he used his own money to fund a vacation to South America (which isn't cheap) then he shouldn't have been asking for donations.

 

[Speevy]

Isn't is likely that his family had planned and saved up for the trip independently of his court costs and have just taken him along for whatever reason?

But, nope! He used his money given to him to fight dear Lord Sony-sama and so he is ever more the villain.

And he went to South America. Who the hell knows what goes on there?

 

[PSGames]

How do we know this trip isn't business related?

 

[gundamkyoukai]

There are degrees to things, Sony just has to spend a hundred bucks or so on an identical drive and swap out the components.

Sony has nothing do with drives , a third party is looking at them .

 

[ViolentP]

How do we know this trip isn't business related?

I think it's already been confirmed that he won the trip on The Price Is Right.

 

[TOAO_Cyrus]

Sony has nothing do with drives , a third party is looking at them .

Well I'm sure they are charging Sony for all the expenses.

 

[Speevy]

How do we know this trip isn't business related?

That's what the men with the automatic weapons are calling it. I won't argue with them.

 

[Nairume]

How do we know this trip isn't business related?

Because it is easier to jump to conclusions when you treat a corporation as one would treat a football team.

 

[Curufinwe]

So he didn't actually "flee" - and there is not a single shred of evidence he spent a dime of legal fee donation money on this trip... and yet this thread is about him fleeing and spending donation money on this trip.

Sony were only made aware that he had left the country when the third party vendor complained that geohot had altered the hard drives he gave them, rendering them unusable.

 

[nib95]

I really don't see how people potentially being scammed is a laughing matter.

Imo it was a silly thing to donate towards in the first place. Someone had potentially done a crime, courts agreed and seized his goods to comb for further evidence, he asks for donations and gets them and now he frustrates the legal process, tampers with evidence and escapes the country (likely with funds). I am slightly empathetic to the people who donated, but then again they've basically just aided a potential criminal so a part of me is less sympathetic.

 

[Fixed1979]

I recommend people read pages 22-23 of Sony's motion. Their description of the lengths geohot has gone to to frutstrate the court-ordered discovery is pretty interesting.

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federa...ifornia/candce/3:2011cv00167/235965/103/0.pdf

Seems like he's being a dick...not suprising. Assuming the SA trip is a

Spoiler

timely

vacation and donations were not used, it's another reason for the people who gave this guy their money to be pissed (at least I would be). Extending the court proceedings and increasing his cost of representationfor no reason other than to fuck with Sony and the court in general is pointless and childish. Regardless of anything else he does I hope this comes back to haunt him.

 

[HaRyu]

Well I'm sure they are charging Sony for all the expenses.

Actually, I think the agreement was that both Sony and Hotz share the cost of expenses of the 3rd party.

 

[GeoramA]

I really don't see how people potentially being scammed is a laughing matter.

In this case, it's very funny.

 

[PSGames]

Sony were only made aware that he had left the country when the third party vendor complained that geohot had altered the hard drives he gave them, rendering them unusable.

The HDDs were missing an easy to obtain component. I would hardly call that "unusable".

 

[chubigans]

I think it's already been confirmed that he won the trip on The Price Is Right.

Bwahaha!

Business related huh. What does he do for a living anyways?

 

[Evlar]

Bwahaha.

Business related huh. What does he do for a living anyways?

Performance art.

 

[Zoe]

The HDDs were missing an easily obtainable component. I would hardly call that "unusable".

You sure about that? Newegg link, please.

And it's not the duty of the third party vendor to be make these previously functioning drives functioning again.

 

[Curufinwe]

The HDDs were missing an easily obtainable component. I would hardly call that "unusable".

What you would call them is irrelevant compared to what the third party vendor thinks.

From: Michael Grennier [redacted email address]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 7:56 AM
To: Stewart Kellar; Gaudreau, Holly
Cc: Robert Kleeger; Yasha Heidari; Boroumand Smith, Mehrnaz; Bricker, Ryan; Jack C. Praetzellis;
[redacted email address][redacted email address]

Subject: Imaging of encrypted drives. CRM:0003005

All,
We took the drives out of our evidence locker and the evidence bag to image them in their current encrypted state
as stated in the order and agreed to on our phone call yesterday. We have determined that the controller cards
which are screwed onto the hard drives were removed prior to them being given to us. Therefore we are unable
to operate the hard drives in their current state. Keep in mind that we need two days to image these drives as we
have to image two 1TB drives.

I would recommend that Mr. Hotz forward to us immediately both the hard drive controller cards, screws and
anything else he may have including the complete computer system (minus the monitor, keyboard and mouse) so
that we can be prepared to complete the forensic imaging process (both encrypted and un-encrypted).
The drives have been returned to the evidence bag and locker at this time.

Regards,

Mike

Michael Grennier, CFCE, EnCE

TheIntelligenceGroup

 

[Zizbuka]

i gave him $300 dollars. Hope you are ok man.

You aided a fleeing criminal? Uh oh

 

[tokkun]

Is that evidence or just a conclusion that's being drawn from the sequence of events?

Those are not mutually exclusive options.

A "conclusion that's being drawn from the sequence of events" is a type of evidence - "circumstantial evidence".

Maybe you wanted to ask if it was direct evidence or circumstantial evidence, in which case I would say it was the latter.

 

[RustyNails]

I recommend people read pages 22-23 of Sony's motion. Their description of the lengths geohot has gone to to frutstrate the court-ordered discovery is pretty interesting.

In light of Hotz’s failure to comply with his discovery obligations and the still outstanding third party jurisdictional discovery, SCEA proposed a two-week extension of all briefing and hearing deadlines relating to Hotz’s Motion to Dismiss. Bricker Decl., ¶5, Exh. D. Hotz refused, stating that SCEA would have its discovery by the time of the hearing. Id. He completely ignored the fact that SCEA’s opposition deadline was approaching. Hotz also rejected outright SCEA’s second attempt to arrange for an inspection of his PS3 Systems and tried to evade his court-ordered deposition, stating that it was unnecessary. Id.

Despite Judge Spero’s orders, Hotz continues to frustrate all attempts to complete jurisdictional discovery. In yet another attempt to avoid his deposition and a limited inspection of his impounded hard drives, on March 17, 2011, Hotz filed a motion for protective order on issues already decided by Judge Spero. (Docket No. 100.) On the same day, TIG discovered that prior to delivery, Hotz had removed integral components from his impounded hard drives, rendering them completely non-functional. Bricker Decl., ¶21, Exh. S. When SCEA echoed TIG’s request that the components of the hard drives be delivered immediately, Hotz’s counsel responded that Hotz was in South America.Id

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federa...ifornia/candce/3:2011cv00167/235965/103/0.pdf

I'm not a legal expert, but how much further will this "frustration" has to go before it turns into contempt of court?

 

[Evlar]

Wow... reading through that again, I hadn't noticed previously that the third-party is requesting the entire computer now. Heh. Wonder how the judge will respond.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

I can only imagine how manufacturing companies can make every controller card different, by the billions. That is amazing.

 

[C Jones]

He's so confident he did nothing wrong yet he messes with the hard drives. Comedy.

I hope the donors at least get a postcard out of this.

 

[VGChampion]

This is the first time I wished the NeoGAF lol faces were still around. So many people donated and supported this idiot.

 

[Ozzykamikaze]

If he used the donation money, it is poor form. If he used his own personal funds, it is not.

I don't think that's true at all. You ask for money because you don't have enough of your own funds to pay, not because you don't feel like using your own money for the thing you did that you know is wrong.

 

[Evlar]

I can only imagine how manufacturing companies can make every controller card different, by the billions. That is amazing.

Opal. http://www.cdrinfo.com/sections/news/Details.aspx?NewsId=24744

 

[Melchiah]

I don't think that's true at all. You ask for money because you don't have enough of your own funds to pay, not because you don't feel like using your own money for the thing you did that you know is wrong.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[TOAO_Cyrus]

Imo it was a silly thing to donate towards in the first place. Someone had potentially done a crime, courts agreed and seized his goods to comb for further evidence, he asks for donations and gets them and now he frustrates the legal process, tampers with evidence and escapes the country (likely with funds). I am slightly empathetic to the people who donated, but then again they've basically just aided a potential criminal so a part of me is less sympathetic.

First of all hes not being tried for a crime, this is a civil case so no one aided a potential criminal. Second of all his actions are not disputed, the only question is if they violated the DMCA. If Sony wins companies can use the excuse of copyright protection to make almost any modification of a device illegal, if you care about that at all it makes perfect sense to donate to this case.

 

[PKrockin]

lol, this is the funniest thing I've read on GAF. "Greetings from the beach and thanks for the donations, suckers!"

 

[heyf00L]

We don't know whose money paid for the vacation. He's 21. It's probably a family vacation. Maybe his parents wanted to let him get away from all this for a few days.

But that's speculation. It's all speculation. I'm sure we'll learn the details later, so just wait.

 

[ViolentP]

I have $10,000 in my bank account right now. Forget about that though, that's for my vacation. What I DO need is for all of you to help me out in paying some legal fees. This here is my pocket. Put money there.

 

[SpecX]

I don't think that's true at all. You ask for money because you don't have enough of your own funds to pay, not because you don't feel like using your own money for the thing you did that you know is wrong.

Took the words right out of my mouth

 

[Jobiensis]

And it's not the duty of the third party vendor to be make these previously functioning drives functioning again.

I agree, what he did was in violation of the court order. I don't see how people could say it was destroying evidence though.

Maybe the judge should give him for a nice 24 hour stay for contempt.

 

[JWong]

I can only imagine how manufacturing companies can make every controller card different, by the billions. That is amazing.

They probably need the originals for legal reasons. They don't want to compromise their position by slapping on replacements.

 

[jcm]

I'm interested in his lawyer's response to that. I wonder if they actually understand the implications and will blindly agree to it considering the difficulty they have with PC hardware.

I don't understand the implications. Can you explain please?

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

We don't know whose money paid for the vacation. He's 21. It's probably a family vacation. Maybe his parents wanted to let him get away from all this for a few days.

Probably not.

 

[RustyNails]

I have $10,000 in my bank account right now. Forget about that though, that's for my vacation. What I DO need is for all of you to help me out in paying some legal fees. This here is my pocket. Put money there.

 

[heyf00L]

Probably not.

My point is it's all speculation. So we should wait and see.

 

[Melchiah]

I agree, what he did was in violation of the court order. I don't see how people could say it was destroying evidence though.

Tampering with evidence ≠ destroying evidence.


http://criminal-law.lawyers.com/ask...A-Crime-Is-Tampering-With-EvidenceU-6856.html

Tampering with evidence is a serious crime that involves the alteration, destruction, concealment or falsifying of physical evidence.

 

[Zoe]

I don't understand the implications. Can you explain please?

They're updating the firmware on all of his consoles. If he won, he'd have to get new sub-3.56 consoles if he wanted to continue his work.

 

[Nairume]

Probably not.

And you know this because....

 

[HaRyu]

Do we even know how long he's been gone? The motion filed by Hotz side was dated the 17th, so we know its been at least a bare minimum of about 5 days.

 

[Malvolio]

Next time people should donate to GAF gif makers. Now there is a worthy cause.

 

[bishoptl]

I don't think that's true at all. You ask for money because you don't have enough of your own funds to pay, not because you don't feel like using your own money for the thing you did that you know is wrong.

I have $10,000 in my bank account right now. Forget about that though, that's for my vacation. What I DO need is for all of you to help me out in paying some legal fees. This here is my pocket. Put money there.

Laughing my ass off at each and every one who donated money to this fuckwit.

 

[jcm]

They're updating the firmware on all of his consoles. If he won, he'd have to get new sub-3.56 consoles if he wanted to continue his work.

Hahaha. I didn't even think of that. I guess he'll need more donations when it's over.