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[1-D_FTW]

There's absolutely no way that kinect can do head tracking with that. Resolution is far too low to measure accurately head rotations, especially with something nearly spherical like a head.

When it's done with a system like kinect, usually the rotation is measured by the normal camera by computing the position of the eyes... difficult to reproduce with a helmet

A simple webcam (such as PS Eye) is sufficient, if you put beacons on the helmet (think 4 "move balls" arranged in a 3D fashion, e.g.). Putting gyros/magnetometers in the helmet would greatly help, though.

Just how "smart" is Kinect. Maybe you could paint a couple eyeballs onto the outer shell and fool it into identifying them as eyes?

 

[luffeN]

I am so angry for buying a new TV a year ago Didn't even go the 3D route.. I want this!

 

[Drazgul]

I am so angry for buying a new TV a year ago Didn't even go the 3D route.. I want this!

Sell the TV and buy this. You know you want to.

 

[Manuxs]

I am so angry for buying a new TV a year ago Didn't even go the 3D route.. I want this!

Do you see yourself wearing this HMD several hours a day, like you would be watching TV ?
With headphones on your ears systematically ?
And not being able to do anything else at the same time (like browsing Internet forums if, like me, you aren't able to stay focused on a movie without doing something else in the background) ?

It's an open question, because that's actually something I am asking myself ...

 

[Drazgul]

several hours a day...watching TV ?

People still do that?

 

[Manuxs]

People still do that?

Well, I like watching the news, and then putting on a Blu Ray, and then (who knows) maybe a couple hours gaming on PS3.

With the HMD, this all amounts to over 4 hours during which you keep the HMD on !
I don't know if this isn't dangerous in any way (sure there will breaks in-between but still ...)

 

[Zaptruder]

When you look at the road, you see two steering wheels... in real life. It's perfectly normal. Your brain isn't just accustomed to it in a game. You'll still get two wheels with the helmet, unless you directly look at the wheel (and then, you'll see two landscapes behind). It should be easier for many people to look at the wheel, though, with no disturbing visual cues that suggest that the wheel is near the screen.

I you're talking about cross-talk, where there's cross-talk, you don't see object twice. You see three of them (one really visible, and two of them fainter on each side). If you see an object twice with a similar luminosity, it's a convergence problem.

He's talking about driving with a Logitech G25 steering wheel (or whatever other game control steering wheel) and seeing the in game wheel at the same time.

In your two eyeballs = two images scenario, that would equal 4 wheels.

 

[Aru]

CALLING FRENCH GAF

NEW IMPRESSIONS!!!

They sound awesome, both GT5 and Resistance 3, however its in French :-/.

http://www.gizmodo.fr/2011/09/21/test-sony-personal-3d-viewer.html

Yes, those impressions are awesome.
Is that a Google translation ? It's kinda bad, but I think it's understandable.

 

[thuway]

Yes, those impressions are awesome.
Is that a Google translation ? It's kinda bad, but I think it's understandable.

Yeah the other link was also a Google Translate. I'm just hoping IGN gets their package soon.

 

[Aru]

I want to buy this when it's released in France, I just hope I won't be disappointed and be too heavy to wear.

 

[thuway]

I want to buy this when it's released in France, I just hope I won't be disappointed and be too heavy to wear.

How were the google translations for the two impressions above? Anything you can add to make them understandable?

 

[thuway]

New impressions from UK Playstation.com, but sounds more like a PR- so I won't bother posting quotes. You can read about it here -

http://uk.playstation.com/ps3/news/...-HMZ-T1-Personal-3D-Viewer/?site_locale=en_GB

 

[1-D_FTW]

LOL

Hopefully they're showing it at the Eurogamer show this weekend and we can get some new impressions from there.

 

[thuway]

LOL

Hopefully they're showing it at the Eurogamer show this weekend and we can get some new impressions from there.

I seriously doubt it will be at the Eurogamer show, but what's interesting, is that they are trying to market it as a Gaming Device via PlayStation.com.

 

[Reallink]

An apparent multi-certified calibrator/videophile (David Suisillo via AVS) has posted impressions from several hours with a Sony Style demo unit. Sounds very positive.

• Pixel structure is virtually invisible even when I try very hard to look for it.
  
• Demo units have apparently improved in quality across the various trade shows (e.g. CES > IFA > Sony Stores)
  
• It’s like viewing an 9-ft screen from about 9-ft away
  
• It's VERY EXTREMELY EASY to put this unit on, take it off and putting it on again.
  
• Playing 2D materials, both 16:9 and 21:9, the screen appears to be slightly larger than when they're playing 3D. Why? I don't know
  
• Using QTEC FPD blu-ray, it shows no visible colour shift between 0 IRE to 100 IRE test pattern
  
• There is slight red push but not the point of distraction.
  
• I played 24p movies, and the display seems to play it properly, there is no OSD shown on the prototype HMZ-T1 so I don't know whether it's doing 2:3 pulldown properly or doing 5:5 or 3:3.
  
• For the demo HMZ-T1, it seems like there is no MotioFlow/CineFlow activated, no video-look at all
  
• Both static and motion resolution shows approx 700 lines (according to the QTEC FPD blu-ray).
  
• The black level is amazing although I can still see that it's not completely black. With brightness control I'm pretty sure that the black level can be brought down a bit more.
  
• White is very close to calibrated white (warm-ish white) without noticable clipping.

http://downunderaudio.com/sony-hmz-t1-preview.html

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=20979591&postcount=83

 

[patsu]

Holy crap, this is like some kind of voluntary/self robbery. If the good impressions kept stacking, I can't help but to give $800 away. I just bought a 27" 3D monitor for about $750 for my PS3 in the office. The price is not that expensive if I can use it to watch 3D Blu-ray, play PS3 games, view 3D photos and videos from my camera, etc.

 

[dallow_bg]

Sheeeeeeeit.

It's legit.

 

[davepoobond]

this headset sounds really cool, actually. if it were about 400 i might actually think about getting it, but i'll wait for another version to come out first before buying one.

 

[Bit-Bit]

No. They are plain 2D :/

Wth, Kojima???

 

[1-D_FTW]

Okay. This thing is starting to look real.

Please don't screw up Input Lag.

Please don't have compatibility issues with 3D Play.

That's all.

 

[thuway]

FUCKKKKKKKKK! Sounding better and better. I'm hoping the screen is larger than the 9 foot thing he's talking about. I really hope I can get the 750 inch image. It might be his eyes. The optics are always highly variable.

User impressions from GAF and various other forums have mentioned the visor is comparable to sitting in the middle row of a big screen cinema.

The very idea that this guy is a well respected videophile and is giving this positive remarks is a good sign.

 

[Trakdown]

Have their been any impressions on the limits of how much you can adjust this thing? I'm cursed with a huge noggin and I want to see how much I've got to work with, cause otherwise I'm pretty much sold on this.

 

[thuway]

Have their been any impressions on the limits of how much you can adjust this thing? I'm cursed with a huge noggin and I want to see how much I've got to work with, cause otherwise I'm pretty much sold on this.

I've got a big head too, but I'm sure you'll be fine.

 

[boo7z]

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/st...10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666383670

Accepting Pre-orders
Available on or about 10/26/2011. We will email you when product ships.

 

[kemical]

I'm so in on this. Itching to pre-order. It just makes sense. I'm already a headphone fiend with how I enjoy audio. Thinking about the space saving for a small apartment, flexibility of carrying it over to your PC or console or media player. No longer having that nagging desire of owning a big screen (clunky) tv etc...

Also the price is still steep, but if you look around at the prices of some other similar equipment with poorer specs this thing looks cheap and amazing in comparison.

 

[thuway]

I'm so in on this. Itching to pre-order. It just makes sense. I'm already a headphone fiend with how I enjoy audio. Thinking about the space saving for a small apartment, flexibility of carrying it over to your PC or console or media player. No longer having that nagging desire of owning a big screen (clunky) tv etc...

Also the price is still steep, but if you look around at the prices of some other similar equipment with poorer specs this thing looks cheap and amazing in comparison.

I totally agree. When the closest thing to this device is 25 THOUSAND dollars, its like a fucking steal in comparison.

 

[thuway]

Attention GAF Videophiles- READY TO FLIP YOUR SHIT?

Dave over at AVS is saying this -

I currently use a couple of PRO-111 KURO at home, properly calibrated of course (since I can do it myself for free ) and the black level of the HMZ-T1 is at least as good as my KURO.

Now, this is based on my experience of the HMZ-T1 which I can NOT change the brightness level due to the disabled menu button. IF I can turn the brightness down by two notches, I'm pretty sure that the black level will surpass the KURO. Whether in the end it's going to crush the blacks if I turn the brightness by two notches unfortunately I don't know. At least not until either I receive a review sample from Sony or purchased the unit (whichever comes first)

For those that don't know- the Kuro is the crem de la creme of televisions. So pretty much confirmed, the blacks on this device or at the very least as good as it. The colors will surpass it, since its an OLED. This is truly a breakthrough device.

 

[Lesiroth]

Holy crap, how did I not hear about this before? I love how futuristic it looks and I love how Sony didn't mess this up yet, I need to find a way to get this when it releases in my country ASAP.

 

[thuway]

Holy crap, how did I not hear about this before? I love how futuristic it looks and I love how Sony didn't mess this up yet, I need to find a way to get this when it releases in my country ASAP.

The only thing stopping me is price. Get that 799 down to 599, and I'm in.

 

[1-D_FTW]

Attention GAF Videophiles- READY TO FLIP YOUR SHIT?

Dave over at AVS is saying this -



http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/funny-gifs-muppet-bounce.gif[IMG]

For those that don't know- the Kuro is the crem de la creme of televisions. So pretty much confirmed, the blacks on this device or at the very least as good as it. The colors will surpass it, since its an OLED. This is truly a breakthrough device.[/QUOTE]

Not really surprising since OLED, in theory, should be superior to LCD and Plasma, but excellent news nonetheless.

 

[SleazyC]

Going to call the Sony Style store near me and see if they have display units. if so will make it down there this weekend and try to post my impressions.

 

[Team Klimt]

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/st...10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666383670

Accepting Pre-orders
Available on or about 10/26/2011. We will email you when product ships.

Ordered the shit out of it.

 

[Lesiroth]

It's a shame this isn't battery-powered, though I do not know if it's possible/practical. If they ever do come out with one though, just imagine having this and hooking it up to your phone, anywhere. A pocket cinema with you, everywhere.

 

[Ardenyal]

Have their been any impressions on the limits of how much you can adjust this thing? I'm cursed with a huge noggin and I want to see how much I've got to work with, cause otherwise I'm pretty much sold on this.

You can get an idea of what adjustments can be made from this video.

 

[mblitek]

Add me to the big headed group!


Also, if this was ~$500 I'd drop that but ~$800 I'm not so sure. Maybe Christmas or something. I could also sell some too I suppose. And considering what, 4yrs ago I spent $600 on HD650 headphones this is a relatively "good" deal. I'm glad to hear the audio is okay. I'm not an adamant audiophile but I do appreciate good sound.


So question/verification, this only puts 3D material in 3D, correct?

Edit: Thanks Ardenyal!

 

[kemical]

oddly those impressions made me want head tracking. Not necessary for an FPS at all when you have a stick dedicated to 'mouselook' but having mouselook plus 'freelook' with head tracking could be amazing.

if I understand right, I think that is going to be key with stuff like this in the future.. I don't personally want to use my head to aim, but if I can get the head tracking to subtly shift and offset the camera's view in game, within some range, while still using the mouse or analog stick to aim.. that would be great.

 

[darkwing]

not surprised, OLED > plasma

 

[TekkenMaster]

if I understand right, I think that is going to be key with stuff like this in the future.. I don't personally want to use my head to aim, but if I can get the head tracking to subtly shift and offset the camera's view in game, within some range, while still using the mouse or analog stick to aim.. that would be great.

I want to look up at the pretty sky by tilting my head up as I would in real life.

And I agree that your head could be used for smaller camera movements within the view of the current camera position you have chosen with the analog stick.

now, my virtual reality checklist:

1) HD 3D head mounted display - CHECK
2) head tracking - CHECK
3) full Arm, Hand, and Finger tracking - your full arms/hands/fingers are replicated 1:1 on screen. The tech for this is already here, just needs to come down in cost.
4) haptic(touch) feedback via lightweight gloves lined with texture-producing material utilizing microelectric vibrations (this tech already exists ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXITjLurof0 ).Feel a soft quilt, a rough stone, a kitten's fur, a wood table, etc.

How long until all these things come bundled into a single gaming console?

 

[Zaptruder]

From the various distance impressions (no impression of distance, 9 feet, 20 meters, etc), I'm reasonably certain people are just screwing up the diopter adjustment on the device.

The most exciting thing about this headset is that this is probably the first HMD with 'mass' consumer appeal (i say mass in the sense that it's not some esoteric, fringe or research piece of kit).

The implications of that is massive; imagine when they start building UI specifically for HMDs, replete with head tracking and kinect style and Sony Smart AR style motion and surfaces reading...

It would be the most significant piece of enabling technology since the internet itself.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Forget buying a Panny 3D TV, I'm on board with this device this year.

 

[Afrikan]

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/st...10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666383670

Accepting Pre-orders
Available on or about 10/26/2011. We will email you when product ships.

God Damn California and these taxes

$867

man I might need to get a new Credit Card....haven't had one in YEARS.

 

[Ardenyal]

The implications of that is massive; imagine when they start building UI specifically for HMDs, replete with head tracking and kinect style and Sony Smart AR style motion and surfaces reading...

A 3D desktop...
"Dude! Where's the porn?!"
"Behind you..."
"

"

 

[chubigans]

I think I'm going to buy this. I'll wait for more impressions. I don't really need this. Should I buy this? I'm totally gonna buy this. GAH!

 

[Bit-Bit]

I want to look up at the pretty sky by tilting my head up as I would in real life.

And I agree that your head could be used for smaller camera movements within the view of the current camera position you have chosen with the analog stick.

now, my virtual reality checklist:

1) HD 3D head mounted display - CHECK
2) head tracking - CHECK
3) full Arm, Hand, and Finger tracking - your full arms/hands/fingers are replicated 1:1 on screen. The tech for this is already here, just needs to come down in cost.
4) haptic(touch) feedback via lightweight gloves lined with texture-producing material utilizing microelectric vibrations (this tech already exists ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXITjLurof0 ).Feel a soft quilt, a rough stone, a kitten's fur, a wood table, etc.

How long until all these things come bundled into a single gaming console?

I'd say in about ten years. The next next generation of gaming. Possibly PlayStation 5 and Xbox 4.

 

[Grinchy]

As crazy as it sounds, if this thing is really great, I would consider selling my TV for it. That would be a big loss though (tv was 2 grand) and I suppose that any time I had company over, we wouldn't be able to watch TV together lol. Ok maybe it's not the best plan.

 

[Zaptruder]

4) haptic(touch) feedback via lightweight gloves lined with texture-producing material utilizing microelectric vibrations (this tech already exists ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXITjLurof0 ).Feel a soft quilt, a rough stone, a kitten's fur, a wood table, etc.

That's pretty freaking awesome... but haptics still has a long way to go until we have the hardware for a matrix quality VR.

I'd go so far as to say that nothing short of a brain communicating interface (either via a wired jack, or via some sort of short range wireless stimulating device) will be able to fully and adequately replicate the full range of haptic sensory experiences.

I mean, even in a big ass rotating treadmill with some future suit made of material operating on similar principles to what you linked there is sufficient; because haptics include the resistance of weight and obstacles.

Things might feel smooth, rough, furry or whatever with the haptic suit, but it doesn't tell you how heavy it is and how much of a barrier it is.

That said, it is possible to indicate some degree of haptic feedback by way of visual and audio sensory information.

e.g. if your character is holding onto a large object, and you're attempting to hold it in a single hand - your character desyncs from your motion - your avatar is shown dropping the object, even while displaying the position of your own actual hand in a ghostly outline. This can also indicate progressive desyncing; the further you move from an expected bounds, the more your hand desyncs from your virtual hand representation, until the virtual hand stops responding and returns to its default state (stopping/dropping whatever it was holding in the process).

 

[thuway]

As crazy as it sounds, if this thing is really great, I would consider selling my TV for it. That would be a big loss though (tv was 2 grand) and I suppose that any time I had company over, we wouldn't be able to watch TV together lol. Ok maybe it's not the best plan.

Don't do that man. If you really have trouble scrounging up money, wait until the MSRP drops a tad. I garuntee you within two months it'll be 600 dollars. If not, than just open up a credit card, and put it on no payments for a year. Pay off two hundred every four months, and your in.

 

[Afrikan]

As crazy as it sounds, if this thing is really great, I would consider selling my TV for it. That would be a big loss though (tv was 2 grand) and I suppose that any time I had company over, we wouldn't be able to watch TV together lol. Ok maybe it's not the best plan.

get a 32-40" LCD for like $200 something....just for those occasions.....if need be.


but about this this HMD...will the adapter offer out multiple feeds...like a splitter? so HMDs can connect to it?

or are you going to need an HDMI splitter? and would a BluRay player/PS3 be able to put out 2 720p 3D feeds?....or would the HDMI splitter handle that?

 

[Grinchy]

Don't do that man. If you really have trouble scrounging up money, wait until the MSRP drops a tad. I garuntee you within two months it'll be 600 dollars. If not, than just open up a credit card, and put it on no payments for a year. Pay off two hundred every four months, and your in.

Yeah I agree that the price will probably fall and there will likely be a hardware revision.

I wouldn't say the money is necessarily a problem, but I do like liquidating older items when buying newer ones. It takes a chunk off the price (in this case, selling my TV would finance the whole thing) but I fucking love my TV. I can't imagine I'd be crazy enough to sell my TV for this device, but I can't say I'm not tempted.

 

[Shawsie64]

How do I get this in Australia?

Can I use adapters?