They get a pass if they do the next TRON soundtrack.
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"Tidal" struggling hard against competitors
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They get a pass if they do the next TRON soundtrack.
Good riddance, the whole launch was pompous and arrogant. I don't care about high fidelity audio, especially at $20 which itself is a crock when the competition is like half the price. I would rather have free and ads personally.
Not to mention a lot of them don't even play instruments, 'musicians' my ass.
Not to mention a lot of them don't even play instruments, 'musicians' my ass.
Captain.Falafel
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In fairness to my man Jermaine he was signed by Jay-Z if I'm not mistaken. Probably had no choice!
nocturnalis
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They're signing away their souls.
Nah, i'm still listening to Rihanna & Kanye.
eso76
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Idk man, I thought lossless was worth the price and a pretty great thing, saving me several hundreds GB's worth of .flacs.
Sounded cool to me, but I don't know the full picture here and never subscibed.
For the price of one CD a month you have access to a huge library in perfect quality. I don't care if Spotify is cheaper, this still sounds like a good deal to me.
A better deal even, because Some of the stuff on Spotify sounds nasty on my setup, even in premium quality.
Sounded cool to me, but I don't know the full picture here and never subscibed.
For the price of one CD a month you have access to a huge library in perfect quality. I don't care if Spotify is cheaper, this still sounds like a good deal to me.
A better deal even, because Some of the stuff on Spotify sounds nasty on my setup, even in premium quality.
People ITT have commented on her age explicitly. I didn't suggest she wasn't always embarrassing.
Also Madonna built her career on these kind of public displays of "rebel" behaviour. People expect it, I'm pretty sure Jay Z knew what he was getting.
Thanks.
The only thing I've ever bought by anyone on that list is the Tron OST, I could live easy with this.
Zeyphersan
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Take the L, Jay Z. It's getting sad.
They are not.
Part of their messaging was to vilify the other services while they aren't any different.
The real villains are the record labels who took most of the money and coincidentally are shareholders of Tidal.
These artists are the rare ones who actually benefit from the labels and they are trying to make money by lying to the uninformed public while sleeping with the real villains.
The whole thing is vile.
Precisely.
The service itself may be fine, that's not he issue.
They're also effectively using their customers as a charity. Poor superstars.
SomedayTheFire
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I used Play Music for a while, but the lack of a proper desktop app, a weird audio level problem (it would randomly get louder or quieter) and sometimes songs would start for 5 seconds then stop. Spotify isn't much better but after a bad experience with Play I've moved all in on Spotify.
eso76
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Nah, like i said i don't know the full picture.
Surely there's something else people ITT are hating (the way royalties work for labels i assume) because the service itself sounded good to me on paper (never used it) and i was considering upgrading from Spotify.
I hate every single artist behind this, though.
Funky Papa
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Deadmau5 is a colossal douchebag and it pains me that I happen to enjoy some of his chunes.
The app itself has a lot of issues. I've had a hi fidelity account for about three weeks now and the app crashes a lot. I've tried it on multiple iPhone 6s, iPads and a some recent Galaxy. It will also outright notnplay certain songs on playlists when they should for example: I was listening to the Vic Mensa playlist and the Nirvana song "Dumb" wouldn't play at all. Same thing happened with some Miles Davis song on a kazz playlist.
Ironically, the curated playlists are really good and I copied them onto Rdio playlists to avoid the issues. The app also crashes a lot when the device is locked which causes alot of frustration when I use it on my living room system while cleaning, cooking or gaming.
Hopefully it improves. The idea is cool, but its too frustrating with all the stops and crashes.
Ironically, the curated playlists are really good and I copied them onto Rdio playlists to avoid the issues. The app also crashes a lot when the device is locked which causes alot of frustration when I use it on my living room system while cleaning, cooking or gaming.
Hopefully it improves. The idea is cool, but its too frustrating with all the stops and crashes.
The Incarnation
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It's sickening. Selfishly, I'm so glad no artist I deeply respect took part.
TriangleOfCorruption
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madonna is cool 4ever idc what anyone says
I even got some of his merch. His music is actually pretty good, but he comes across as a horrible person.
Opus Angelorum
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It's a flawed premise.
Tidal needs subscribers to attract more artists. With no artists there will be less subscribers.
They (Jaz Z) thought that by coming together as recognisable and established artists, people would jump ship because they appreciated their talent and art.
Unfortunately when it comes to media consumption, people flock to the simplest and cheapest service. And Tidal is neither.
Opus Angelorum
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Indeed.
Had they maybe have started from the bottom of the pyramid (picking young upcoming talent) they could have bypassed the labels entirely and the artists would be receiving much more money per subscriber.
Making Tidal effectively a label, would have been much more interesting.
I'm a happy Tidal user and happily pay for the lossless streaming/offline listening. I don't give two shits who backs or owns the company. It just happens to be what I want.
Also, Tidal offers the same £10 model that Spotify does. Just not a 'free' mode. Is there anything wrong with that? And then we get to 'Should music for free?'
I just don't understand why you are finding so much pleasure in something failing!!!! Does it really matter if its something you'll never use?
If its not what you want, don't bother with it. Simple isn't it?
Also, Tidal offers the same £10 model that Spotify does. Just not a 'free' mode. Is there anything wrong with that? And then we get to 'Should music for free?'
I just don't understand why you are finding so much pleasure in something failing!!!! Does it really matter if its something you'll never use?
If its not what you want, don't bother with it. Simple isn't it?
I can get behind this.
I mean if you are looking for lossless streaming, which I admittedly am not then this is really your only option.
No one is surprised. And it is very easy to understand why.
The marketing utterly and completely missed the mark. They talk about giving the artists a better share of the profits than the competition, but then only proceed to show multi-millionaire artists who are at the top of the industry. OF COURSE it would look like a bunch of rich people asking for even more money. OF COURSE it would be very hard to feel empathetic to these people... "Hmmm, I guess it is only fair that I pay more for my music, ignoring what the competition offers, so Kanye can have more money when I'm struggling to survive with 20k a year". But they are probably so self absorbed that they didn't realise that this would happen.
One of the supposedly good things no one talks about Tidal is that you don't need to be a signed artist to have your music there. To put your songs in Spotify, if you are a Indie artist you NEED to sign with some of the companies they provide, which means they take a share of whatever pitiful profit you make. On Tidal, apparently it goes all straight to you. So, why not, instead of showing Madonna, the best selling female artist of all time, who currently hold the 2 top spots of the highest-grossing tours of all time by a female artist, why not show a Indie artist getting more money for the music they make on their improvised home studio at their parents basement? It is certainly much much easier to relate to that. Or even show some more established independent artists, but NOT Madonna or Kanye or Rihanna and Beyonce asking for more money, like they are asking you fund some Red Cross humanitarian help project...
Then they get surprised it failed.
The marketing utterly and completely missed the mark. They talk about giving the artists a better share of the profits than the competition, but then only proceed to show multi-millionaire artists who are at the top of the industry. OF COURSE it would look like a bunch of rich people asking for even more money. OF COURSE it would be very hard to feel empathetic to these people... "Hmmm, I guess it is only fair that I pay more for my music, ignoring what the competition offers, so Kanye can have more money when I'm struggling to survive with 20k a year". But they are probably so self absorbed that they didn't realise that this would happen.
One of the supposedly good things no one talks about Tidal is that you don't need to be a signed artist to have your music there. To put your songs in Spotify, if you are a Indie artist you NEED to sign with some of the companies they provide, which means they take a share of whatever pitiful profit you make. On Tidal, apparently it goes all straight to you. So, why not, instead of showing Madonna, the best selling female artist of all time, who currently hold the 2 top spots of the highest-grossing tours of all time by a female artist, why not show a Indie artist getting more money for the music they make on their improvised home studio at their parents basement? It is certainly much much easier to relate to that. Or even show some more established independent artists, but NOT Madonna or Kanye or Rihanna and Beyonce asking for more money, like they are asking you fund some Red Cross humanitarian help project...
Then they get surprised it failed.
brokenbeans
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Just lower the bloody price then.
Greedy fucks.
Greedy fucks.
plasmawave
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Gotta look sexy while I sign on this paper.
FrontalMonk
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The problem is it's a flawed premise to begin with, because the "free" tier you speak of isn't really free. I'm sure Spotify still makes money from the ads they force you to listen to when you want to listen to music. You trade $$ for time, and we all know time IS money. I don't pay Spotify, but I've been on the fence for a long time predominantly because I get sick and tired of the ads.
AndyMoogle
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Same price as Spotify.
But these struggling musicians with their millions need more money.
Gravy Boat
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Exactly, so what's the reason to jump ship?
what the hell is going on?
If they didnt position it in the way they did, it would have been fairly critised. I and alot of others cannot get behind this based on principle - they damaged this service on Day 1. I do want this to fail so it doesn't set a precedent and at least sends a message to these greedy artists.
If Spotify upgrade their service to match them or if another service emerges without the pretentious message that has killed Tidal then i wish them the best. But no, absolutely no way can i get behind this and happily sacrifice the option of lossless music. Should be a lesson of how giving stars too much power can destroy the product itself.
Just imagine how different things would be if you had the CEO instead speaking about the pay model for USERS (who gives a shit about rich, successful artists) and focusing on lossless music and its benefits, then have the stars come out to announce music deals such as week early access, it would have been received much better. But Jay ruined it.
Spotify has never returned a profit. The majority of their revenue comes from paying subscribers. The ads aren't making them much money.
I think that's my point. I don't give a hoot about all that and I didn't when I subscribed before the takeover. I like lossless and I liked the way the app works (in comparison to other services apps).
For me it was about the music and not the backers. Saying that, I don't listen to Jay-Z, not keen on Kanye not listened to Madonna since the 80's lol.
RandyBobandy
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Tidal at this stage is Google+ when it tried to be Facebook
Fair enough, they do have a option that is different from the rest that some value i cant argue on that front and understand.
I subscribed to Spotify about a year ago for the two following reasons:
T*dal can go burn in a garbage fire.
- Inane, disgusting localized ads. I am sure that this is not an issue that affects just my region. There were two ads that they kept repeating over and over. Sometimes playing the same audio ad twice in a row. The first was a PSA campaign for young people to use more condoms. It was done very poorly and probably recorded in a fucking toilet. The other annoying ad was for an energy drink called super ape or something. It featured badly imitated ape noises. It drove me nuts. I know that you could craft very good audio/radio ads, but these were embarrassingly bad. I wanted to get rid of them.
- I learned a lot more about the technology behind Spotify. One of the head engineers for their network infrastructure held a lecture at a Java technology conference (GeekOut 2014) and explained in pretty good detail how they transfer data between the continents. The solution was pretty much ingenious. I respect genius solutions. They can have my money as long as they want.
T*dal can go burn in a garbage fire.
Opus Angelorum
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And probably the last.
Hamster Plugin
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I really wish Spotify had some good competition, but nobody else had the idea of making desktop software instead of just a webpage. Now Spotify has effectively ruined their desktop software and there's no alternative to go to, we just have to deal with these terrible "updates".
Still using downgraded Spotify, but I don't know how long these old versions will work.
Still using downgraded Spotify, but I don't know how long these old versions will work.
What don't you like about the desktop client? I know they changed their design a couple of times, but feature-wise it's the same thing? Is it not?
There's always Apple and Google, though the later doesn't have a desktop app either.
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It's really, really bad.
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