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Election 2016 [Mafia] | Everlasting GOPstoppers
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There we go
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In all honesty, 12 hours left and no one is really jumping out at me as a great pick for the day anymore. I will mention the string of posts below:
My why above goes unanswered directly but this post is made an hour or so later:
I mean, I offered cabot as a safe solution for the day so that our PRs can feel safe for once and we could absolutely verify something but we all know I'm not usually one for the safe option but the way Nin responded to it left a bad taste in my mouth but I'll refrain from voting for cabot right now because the climate (haha) in here seems to be against that and I'll probably find myself on the receiving end of a policy lynch or something if I bark up that tree. I guess just keep it in the back of your minds because the exchange above does not read as someone who was just cleared to be a good guy to me.
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Anyway, as I said, nothing is really jumping out to me so far, from all the posts I've read since earlier today, I think the ones I resonate most with are the ones for Kingkitty but I'm not even completely sold on those. I'll be around in the morning so this is hardly my final vote but I'd like to offer another view that hasn't been brought up.
VOTE: Palmer_v1
Something has felt off about Palmer this whole game and not just because he came at me (which I also found odd only because it was a very coy "here's a thing Sorian said, do any of you see why it's scummy?" which made sense in retrospect but was also easily answerable by looking at the OP) but because he's focused on weird things early on. I did appreciate that he started off by coming out and saying that he wants everyone to have a vote and that people shouldn't be allowed to skate by without voting but forcing the issue like that this early on does't usually lead to much of anything. Now, I know I know, I'm guilty of pressing people into discussing and tangentially, I'm usually pressing them into voting to but I don't care much about the vote, yes, it can sometimes be helpful to look at the vote spreadsheet later but the reasoning is where the real meat is and Palmer came off that his stance was place a vote and that was that. It felt like contributing to town without actually contributing to town.
Past that though, it's just been little things here and there that seem inconsistent with his reasoning. For example, he places this vote on Kalor and does a quick follow up post with another why:
But then, I have a post on the very first page where I straight up said I was going to put everyone into an RNG and then my follow up:
It reads almost like he wanted to vote for Kalor and then had to find bullshit reasoning for it so we'd believe him (if this were any other day, I'd probably read this as a PR trying to give us a subtle hint) but this is the way all of Palmer's posts have felt to me, just very aloof and not actually in the game, just more doing the motions of what town should do.
Again, I'm really not set in stone on anyone but I think Kingkitty, Palmer, or cabot are my short list for today.
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In all honesty, 12 hours left and no one is really jumping out at me as a great pick for the day anymore. I will mention the string of posts below:
My why above goes unanswered directly but this post is made an hour or so later:
I mean, I offered cabot as a safe solution for the day so that our PRs can feel safe for once and we could absolutely verify something but we all know I'm not usually one for the safe option but the way Nin responded to it left a bad taste in my mouth but I'll refrain from voting for cabot right now because the climate (haha) in here seems to be against that and I'll probably find myself on the receiving end of a policy lynch or something if I bark up that tree. I guess just keep it in the back of your minds because the exchange above does not read as someone who was just cleared to be a good guy to me.
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Anyway, as I said, nothing is really jumping out to me so far, from all the posts I've read since earlier today, I think the ones I resonate most with are the ones for Kingkitty but I'm not even completely sold on those. I'll be around in the morning so this is hardly my final vote but I'd like to offer another view that hasn't been brought up.
VOTE: Palmer_v1
Something has felt off about Palmer this whole game and not just because he came at me (which I also found odd only because it was a very coy "here's a thing Sorian said, do any of you see why it's scummy?" which made sense in retrospect but was also easily answerable by looking at the OP) but because he's focused on weird things early on. I did appreciate that he started off by coming out and saying that he wants everyone to have a vote and that people shouldn't be allowed to skate by without voting but forcing the issue like that this early on does't usually lead to much of anything. Now, I know I know, I'm guilty of pressing people into discussing and tangentially, I'm usually pressing them into voting to but I don't care much about the vote, yes, it can sometimes be helpful to look at the vote spreadsheet later but the reasoning is where the real meat is and Palmer came off that his stance was place a vote and that was that. It felt like contributing to town without actually contributing to town.
Past that though, it's just been little things here and there that seem inconsistent with his reasoning. For example, he places this vote on Kalor and does a quick follow up post with another why:
But then, I have a post on the very first page where I straight up said I was going to put everyone into an RNG and then my follow up:
It reads almost like he wanted to vote for Kalor and then had to find bullshit reasoning for it so we'd believe him (if this were any other day, I'd probably read this as a PR trying to give us a subtle hint) but this is the way all of Palmer's posts have felt to me, just very aloof and not actually in the game, just more doing the motions of what town should do.
Again, I'm really not set in stone on anyone but I think Kingkitty, Palmer, or cabot are my short list for today.
I'm tired so I'll quote rather than repeat, sorry
Also while searching for this I realised I've missed page 15 until now, wtf :s
Also while searching for this I realised I've missed page 15 until now, wtf :s
You feel I'm flying under the radar or keeping to myself?
Hyperactivity
Banned
Weeeeellll then
Asides from one reply that said the same things I criticized him for in the first place, salva hasn't responded whatsoever. I'll leave for time zone or schedule differences, but I want something substantial out of him by the end if the day
You can't just let players walk away without saying anything
Asides from one reply that said the same things I criticized him for in the first place, salva hasn't responded whatsoever. I'll leave for time zone or schedule differences, but I want something substantial out of him by the end if the day
You can't just let players walk away without saying anything
You can still Bark Sorian, I just said I don't like that idea, I won't vote vote you out for thinking out loud if that is what you mean. I understand your reasoning but like I said I don't like it and I prefer to focus on something else for today. You can still bring that up later in the game Nothing wrong with it. But something just left me with a bad taste when you brought that up. It's 7am here and I can taste it 😷😷😷😷😷😷
It is what it is. I don't think the interest is there anyway though, I am curious to see how things are going to swing as we get closer to the end. I'm heading to bed but I'll be here for day's end.
I don't see that same thing for you Sorian. Just wanted to throw that out in order for everyone to see that your name has not been cleared honey. 😘😘😘😘
Ouro saying that means nothing to me until I see a role PM matching the claim. Sorry honey.
Sure thing. Guess we will have to wait for that one then 😉
Hyperactivity
Banned
Sorry, but Cabot and nin are at the very least 80% town (read: 90% at very least). I appreciate you keeping an eye open and watching, but going after one if the few players we can pretty safely eliminate from being town, vs say an unknown, only hurts town. You're right in that we won't know until Cabot or nin dies, but let's not help the cult out here.
And nin, I believe you're town, and you have gotten better since you were confirmed to be that, but pointing at people who were suspicious of you or calling for you to post more substance doesn't indicate anything, and you've posted mostly that and fluff since then. Having a contributive confirmed town is priceless for us, and you have the opportunity to be exactly that
Shoo, shoo!
Hyperactivity
Banned
I'm already in the game silly
First, why the hell would you have Cabot on your list at all when he's mostly confirmed town? That's very shortsighted. If you want a safe lynch, go for me. I've already outed myself as not having a power. I'd prefer if we got someone scummy, but better than me than a town power role.
As for kalor, I did miss your very first RNG vote, but I'm kind of used to people just blindly voting me, so I glossed over it. So you're right that you're equally scummy for having pulled RNG crap. Aside from that though, you would have had other posts for me to draw from, while Kalor hadn't registered for me at all yet.
I have no idea why you are putting words in my mouth about not needing substance behind a vote, though. Why do you think I didn't just vote you until I felt it worth making the argument? That said, even a blank vote is better than no vote. It's also really weird to try and use it again me when you're far more guilty of empty votes.
I'm also not attempting to be coy with my votes. I just hate bandwagons so I'd prefer if people came to their own conclusions. I gave a partial reason and volunteered more info when requested. Do you really think scum would pick a random post and try to get a Day 1 lynch from it? We both know they can just skate by with safe non-committal votes. Scum have to be spectacularly bad to draw negative attention Day 1.
Do any of you REALLY think that's me?
As for Splinter's read of me, there's basically no logic in it to argue against. Gut feelings are fine, but I hope he can produce something more tangible. He mentioned that I'm not playing like I did before, but I haven't been in a game with him yet?
I won't be back before the deadline, and wasn't able to catch up very well on the last two pages. I apologize for that. I'm keeping my vote on Sorian because I'm still not convinced by his explanation of the original issue, and he seems to be acting rather illogically currently. If I do get lynched, remember who started it when I flip. Like I said before, scum have to be pretty bad to get attention D1, but the early game is the best time for them to try and get me with lynches. I'm surprisingly resilient.
Good luck!
Vote: Sorian
Cops, I'd suggest Sorian, Splinter, and maybe Launch's replacement
Trackers, maybe nin?
Watchers, maybe Burbeting or Cabot.
Docs, who knows.
Vig, who knows.
I will make you proud!
long live launchpad
anyways, on the discussion for when I should roleclaim, I combined Hyperactivity's suggestion of 8am, along with Cornburrito's suggestion of 9:45am. Then I divided by two, and I sort of got 8:53 am EDT. So that's when I'll roleclaim.
Too tired to really dive into anything else, so I'm off to sleep...hopefully I don't oversleep, wish me luck!
anyways, on the discussion for when I should roleclaim, I combined Hyperactivity's suggestion of 8am, along with Cornburrito's suggestion of 9:45am. Then I divided by two, and I sort of got 8:53 am EDT. So that's when I'll roleclaim.
Too tired to really dive into anything else, so I'm off to sleep...hopefully I don't oversleep, wish me luck!
So I'm going to vote for SalvaPot again. I want to hear from them before the end of the day though time zone differences might make that difficult.
Vote: SalvaPot
I don't know how I feel about Kingkitty's musings on when they should role claim. It feels like they are trying to make a big deal over it as if to bring more attention to it. I'm fine with not voting for them today but I don't think we should have another role claim.
Vote: SalvaPot
I don't know how I feel about Kingkitty's musings on when they should role claim. It feels like they are trying to make a big deal over it as if to bring more attention to it. I'm fine with not voting for them today but I don't think we should have another role claim.
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
All right then, that's it. Every single one of you who once in this game said something like "she's new, I let her live at least that one day (but actually I would rather kill her because I can't read her yet)" is on my personal scum list now!!
I give you an opinion of how I see the situation right now.
We know nothing yet!
We have nin who i'd say is 90% town
We have Cabot who could be town or neutral. He used his power simply to save his ass and even though this gave town an advantage it doesn't mean he's off the list yet.
Anyway, it wouldn't make any sense to lynch them today. (I explained why earlier) Let mafia do the work for us. The only reason I could think of why people would want to lynch on of them is to survive D1 themselves. So, wasn't it Sorian who tried to convince us to lynch them right after the bomb dropped? It smells pretty anti town to me.
Kingkitty wants to RC at 8:53, let's see what comes out of that.
Now to the rest of you. Since pretty much all of you once said you simply keep me alive bc I'm new you are all possible candidates for me.
I will not start randomly calling people out since at this point everyone can talk himself out of every accusation easily!! I would say let's wait for KK to RC and meet back here in about 4 hours put down our votes and see who got majority.
I give you an opinion of how I see the situation right now.
We know nothing yet!
We have nin who i'd say is 90% town
We have Cabot who could be town or neutral. He used his power simply to save his ass and even though this gave town an advantage it doesn't mean he's off the list yet.
Anyway, it wouldn't make any sense to lynch them today. (I explained why earlier) Let mafia do the work for us. The only reason I could think of why people would want to lynch on of them is to survive D1 themselves. So, wasn't it Sorian who tried to convince us to lynch them right after the bomb dropped? It smells pretty anti town to me.
Kingkitty wants to RC at 8:53, let's see what comes out of that.
Now to the rest of you. Since pretty much all of you once said you simply keep me alive bc I'm new you are all possible candidates for me.
I will not start randomly calling people out since at this point everyone can talk himself out of every accusation easily!! I would say let's wait for KK to RC and meet back here in about 4 hours put down our votes and see who got majority.
That move still left a bad taste in my mouth, even after brushing my teeth i cant get it off.
Since no one else has that much of a bad impression on me
VOTE: Sorian
It is still day one and all but you trying to push so hard against players that are "probably" town ( i did not use the term confirmed ) is not very pro town.
Save my ass? the vote was going to nin for the end of that day, I had no doubt.
those eyes cannot be those of a scum player
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
I remember it going back and for between you and nin for most of the day. So I don't think anything was settled at that point.
The Gafia games I was watching mostly had at least one RC that turned out to be BS. And I do agree with Sorian that we only can be totally certain of someones role after we read the death message.
I still do believe that you told the truth and I was simply pointing out that even though this construct seems solid we generally still should not jump to conclusions.
I had the early lead but a number of players had stated they weren't going to vote on me, and they were still using their votes to probe others.
I was confident towards deadline that it'd be nin in a comfortable lead. Problem was, I was going to be out before and during the deadline, so that was useless to me.
I was confident towards deadline that it'd be nin in a comfortable lead. Problem was, I was going to be out before and during the deadline, so that was useless to me.
Oh only two hours left :s
I'm unsure how to proceed, but I think I'll drop this "least useful player" nonsense and vote for who I'm actually suspicious of.
VOTE: Palmer_v1
In the interest of fairness and I'll go through your posts and try to find something specific to talk about. I hate to claim "gut feeling" but unfortunately it's pretty much what I've got right now
I'm unsure how to proceed, but I think I'll drop this "least useful player" nonsense and vote for who I'm actually suspicious of.
VOTE: Palmer_v1
In the interest of fairness and I'll go through your posts and try to find something specific to talk about. I hate to claim "gut feeling" but unfortunately it's pretty much what I've got right now
I guess this is a fair question. Technically the suggestion to vote Cabot comes from Cabot himself, but then Sorian pushing a slight "I still think he's scum" angle instead of a pure verification vote seems a little weird to me. Note that Sorian is massively drawing attention to himself suggesting this.
Also I don't buy your "vote for me look how fucking town I am" line.
Kind of repeating myself here, but the way you pushed Sorian originally was really weird. It wasn't exactly a blank vote since you implied you had a strong feeling, but refusing to explain it at all... I guess my problem is I just can't understand the logic behind presenting the vote in this way. You say you hate bandwagons but by that logic you'd never justify any vote or suspicion? Again, I don't get the logic, and that roughly is the feeling I've gotten a lot from you this game. Either we're approaching things completely differently or something is up.
Spoiler alert: day 2 discussion will include a lot of talk about "safe non-committal votes". Anyone expecting to skate by is in for a disappointing time.
I'll also point out that if nobody had called you on that vote you could later claim it was nothing / a misunderstanding. Before the pressure came that itself was a "non-committal vote".
The last statement of that quote is just completely weird to me. Sure they'd have to collectively play pretty badly to get lynched, but no suspicion at all? What?
Another possible spoiler: anyone who makes it through today without having the smallest bit of suspicion on them will probably be called for it tomorrow. Maybe. It happened last game (to Kalor).
Sure. Why is that so hard to believe? If you're town: you know we can't see your role pm right? Like I said, your alignment is only "obvious" to you.
I'm hopefully addressing this now, I'll continue to read back and see if anything jumps out.
I haven't played with you, but I read game 1 and had a TOTALLY different feel from you in that game. I could always follow your point and you were extremely town-leaning in my eyes. I think that was your first game, so it's not unreasonable for your playstyle to have changed since then, I'm just trying to explain why your posts are giving me that "gut feeling"
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I don't know where Sorian has been illogical, unless you mean the Cabot vote but I can see him explaining that even if I disagree with the explanation.
This vote is inconsistent with everything you were saying about scum avoiding attention and only making non-committal votes. That doesn't describe Sorian at all, yet here you've voted for him?
"If I do get lynched remember who started it" is the stupidest thing I've read this game, sorry. As if town players can't be wrong, seriously wtf. We wouldn't ignore who started it but suggesting that you being town implies them being scum is just really bad play.
I don't know why they'd "try to get you" specifically... Anyone? Why is Palmer special?
Alright folks, before I start role claiming, can I mention just how much I love Kim Davis? She sure is swell, that gal.
Anyways, my role is...
Mike Huckabee, Conduit to God
I can get on my knees and pray to God. And through the power of prayer, God will relay one message to whoever I pick.
But God is also busy and stuff I guess, so I only have a 50/50 rng chance of it reaching the person I chose.
Anyways, my role is...
Mike Huckabee, Conduit to God
I can get on my knees and pray to God. And through the power of prayer, God will relay one message to whoever I pick.
But God is also busy and stuff I guess, so I only have a 50/50 rng chance of it reaching the person I chose.
It says 50 percent chance in my PM! So I dunno.
Eh, if it was a weak power before I think it's even weaker now you've explained it
Sending messages is very useful actually.
I disagree in the strongest terms, Splinter.
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