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[golem.de with Shawn Layden] Sony bets on real PS 5 instead of console revolution
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Ethical Hedonism
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They can say that all they want but if the PS5 is just another x86 console with more raw power (whatever X times better than the PS4Pro) that's just the "smartphone model" they are referring to.
I'm not against that tho, to me it looks like a natural evolution of the console cycle. We will probably see a PS5Pro-like after that if the PS4Pro proves itself on the business side. (I don't really know rn but I think it's doing ok, right?)
I'm not against that tho, to me it looks like a natural evolution of the console cycle. We will probably see a PS5Pro-like after that if the PS4Pro proves itself on the business side. (I don't really know rn but I think it's doing ok, right?)
nelsonroyale
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Good. I would prefer PS5 2020 at the earliest, to give me a console that can run BG&E2 with all bells and whistles.
One word: Jaguar
Wait, what? No forward compat of course, but at this state, backwards compatibility is absolutely mandatory. There's no reason not to include it.
Little Monser
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MaximusPayne
Member
Doesn't 5 come after 4? Or did something change?
Agreed.
InsaneTiger
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It seems like we jumping to conclusions.
Savantcore
Unconfirmed Member
He means no mandate that games must work on PS4, like the current relationship with Pro and OG PS4. I'm not sure why that would ever be a thing on PS5, but yeah.
Because of some PR bullshit?
No. And why would they?
you know it wont
Install base doesn't matter - you already have PC games runnign with way higher settings than even scorpio will.
The incremental cost to produce a reasonably good PS5 SKU is low enough to ensure support from pretty much all major third party publishers even with the initial small install base.
Yes, they'll also be still targetting PS4 users so you won't get full utilisation of the power of a PS5 but thats similar to what we saw with PS4 - First party will take that challenge
No it isn't. That makes no sense. Is PS2 just an iterative update of PS1? It plays all PS1 games.
PS4 Pro is an iterative update because it plays all the same games as the OG PS4. If PS5 plays exclusive games, it is not iterative, even if it also plays PS4 games.
Fallout-NL
Member
Same here. It kills any enthusiasm I might have for a new console because it's fucking gimped from the outset by having the older console there that needs to run the same games.
What is the negative of a PC like approach?
Nightengale
Member
I'm pretty confident the next Xbox won't be named "Xbox One" and will also be a cut-off point where exclusives under the name of the new box will be made.
Tldr; a NEW generation.
Ok I might have misunderstood. I agree, games should not work on PS4, as that would be dumb, but PS4 games should work on PS5.
Shifty
Member
Big question is whether this will continue the whole "PS4/Xbox One Hardware Family" thing that has been such a focus with these half-step consoles.
It's been marketed as an ongoing thing, so is long-term PC-style backward/forward-compatibility going to happen or was that all just hot air?
It'll be interesting to see if the next generation marks a schism, with one of the major platform holders sticking to the traditional generational model and the other going with the iterative mobile style of hardware releases.
It's been marketed as an ongoing thing, so is long-term PC-style backward/forward-compatibility going to happen or was that all just hot air?
It'll be interesting to see if the next generation marks a schism, with one of the major platform holders sticking to the traditional generational model and the other going with the iterative mobile style of hardware releases.
Omnistalgic
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I'm glad PS5 seems to be further away than people hope. IMO this is the best time to be a gamer, we don't need new hardware yet, especially with the refreshes given the hardcore a little more juice to play with. These games at E3 look amazing, I don't need a title that blows away GOW for a while now. Just make good games for 2-4 more years and let's get the most out of this hardware.
MaulerX
Member
How do we know that? They keep insisting that the One X is part of the Xbox One family and that tells me they're going for a clean refresh as well for next-gen. The only thing we can be certain of (given their current direction) is that it will be full backwards compatible from day one.
Exactly.
JamesJoyce1882
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Yes, but older b/c consoles had the old console hardware built-in, they were 2-in-1 consoles. Most Nintendo consoles were like that as well: Wii U, Wii, 3DS, DS, GBA, GBC.
The PS5, due to x86 architecture and higher level GPU instructions, will just have one GPU and one CPU and therefore be an iterative upgrade in my opinion. Unless it is not b/c, which would be incredibly stupid.
the thread already answers this question
if the PS5 is the start of a new generation then that means there's no mandatory cross-gen/forward compatibility like what MS is trying to do. PS5 will have exclusive games.
Nightengale
Member
This is what I think will happen.
PS4 / Xbox One
PS4 Pro / Xbox One X
---- cut-off point : new gen -----
PS5 / Xbox Two
PS5 Pro / Xbox Two X
babyghost853
Member
This madness needs to stop, even on PC you can't do it. So unless you're about to show me Crysis running on a 386 with windows 95, give it a rest please.
Nightengale
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MS did not promise forward compatibility, only backward
Why was Scorpio an "Xbox One" instead of an "Xbox *new name*"?
The reason is simple.
The next Xbox after Scorpio will be a new name, and will be the cut-off point for forward compatibility. It will still play Xbox One games, but Xbox One and One X cannot play the games made for that system.
Shin
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It's not playing out too well for MS at the moment, with a 50% smaller userbase one can only hope they make back the R&D money.
If not from the hardware then it will be a slight loss // cut into their earnings from services, can't say one can be happy about that.
Bigger problem for them is 1st Xbox sold 24m+- XB1S/X might end up at 40-50m not really big numbers in comparison to your rivals.
If their next console sees similar result I wonder how long they'll stay in the business then, which ain't good for the industry in such an event.
Two consoles launched back to back at $499 while you're "losing" the generation, lacking exclusives and all that, a new console every 2 year isn't the answer.
In the end it is the same thing as Sony is doing ATM, just one will hard reset the industry and make their new console the baseline for development.
I wonder if that's what the industry really needs constant shift due to new hardware being released.
Shifty
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Seems likely. Projecting forward from that, I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up gradually seeing more intermediate steps per generation until a full transition to the iterative model occurs.
Not that I want to see iterative stuff, mind you. Just letting my cynicism run wild.
Good points. In my mind MS was the most likely to stick with iterative as they've been the ones bigging up the 'Xbox One Family', but since the shitshow that was Xbox One's initial pitch and launch set it off to a rough start, I'm not sure if they'd want to risk building a new platform/hardware family on the back of it.
Good to hear. It was already natural to assume, but I at least enjoy the confirmation. I hope consoles don't go to a rolling model any time soon.
Really though, I guess it just comes down to branding. I'd be annoyed if PS4 Pro X had exclusive games, but delighted if PS5 did. ¯\_(ツ
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Really though, I guess it just comes down to branding. I'd be annoyed if PS4 Pro X had exclusive games, but delighted if PS5 did. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Yea....makes me think we might start seeing some rumors in a few months.
It better.
I dont hate it, I dont have to buy it. I know its aimed at those that want it. I honestly think some ppl get caught up in the fear of missing out syndrome. Cell phone carriers, companies prey on this.
I've had computers since 1999 and have yet to have one with a quad core. I have never had 4GB of ram in any PC I've had. The most is 3GB and that was a few years ago.
When companies like Motorola, and probably Samsung staring offering finance plans for phones I knew hit a tipping point.
I prefer that over a system where compatibility slowly fades away and big steps in technology are hinderen for far longer due to b compatibility with several steps old hardware.
That should definitely happen, makes transferring to a new gen much easier.
Shin
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Devkits are sent out 9-12 months in advance I believe, through that we might get some leaks...hopefully.
PC is a different platform, AAA games are being developed with consoles in mind first, PC approach in consoles means pathetic leaps instead of one significant, it complicates the market, there won't be a clear target and it will never feel like a big jump.
Didn't MS themselves said that there won't be new gens anymore from them, only revisions, it next Xbox will be a new gen than wht did they mean exactly?
There will be a full generational leap PS5...no shit.
They've been saying this all along..I don't know why so many people here have hot takes on the 'end of generations as we know it!'.
Sony and MS have both stated they are not interested in constant iterative consoles. Even Phil Spencer recently said he doesn't see constant upgrades as healthy for the industry...X is a unique scenario.
Pro and X are the exception not the rule, and there's nothing wrong with that, it's simply what was needed in the current stage of the market.
They've been saying this all along..I don't know why so many people here have hot takes on the 'end of generations as we know it!'.
Sony and MS have both stated they are not interested in constant iterative consoles. Even Phil Spencer recently said he doesn't see constant upgrades as healthy for the industry...X is a unique scenario.
Pro and X are the exception not the rule, and there's nothing wrong with that, it's simply what was needed in the current stage of the market.
Okami Haundo
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I know that folks like myself believe that Microsoft is abandoning "traditional" generations, but did people really think Sony was going to? I see a lot of "I told you so" in this thread but I feel like I'm missing the part where people had that mindset.
Maybe we're on different pages here, but my interpretation of the "smartphone model" as it refers to game consoles isn't just about iterative hardware. It's about iterative hardware releasing more frequently without clean generational stops.
In order for Sony to adopt that model with PS5, they would have to mandate that developers make all games compatible with PS4/PS4 Pro/PS5, or PS4 Pro/PS5 at the very least. Traditionally we'll have some crossover like that with normal generations, but the smartphone model would see that PS5 never gets "exclusive" games.
Maybe we're on different pages here, but my interpretation of the "smartphone model" as it refers to game consoles isn't just about iterative hardware. It's about iterative hardware releasing more frequently without clean generational stops.
In order for Sony to adopt that model with PS5, they would have to mandate that developers make all games compatible with PS4/PS4 Pro/PS5, or PS4 Pro/PS5 at the very least. Traditionally we'll have some crossover like that with normal generations, but the smartphone model would see that PS5 never gets "exclusive" games.
Baron Samedi
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I don't know, Sony has been really crappy about BC... I wouldn't say it's a given.
MisterR
Member
Probably not. Sony isn't going down that road again. They put the best tech a available for a reasonable price in it.
Savantcore
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I dunno. I think that generally speaking, Sony have a great attitude to BC. PS2 had it, and they bent over backwards to include it in PS3 (essentially a PS2 inside the case). It's a shame the PS3 was such a cock-up that it kinda forced them to axe BC, but I'm cautiously optimistic that the PS5 will get them back on track.
i don't even know how you got to that tbh
Dangansona
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Giant Bomb?
MosquitoSmasher
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Should be interesting to see what the competition does, meaning MS with that of course. They seem to be very clear on that generations are a thing of the past. But obviously even for them there will come a time that games just can't run on Xbox One anymore and only on X or not even X anymore.
