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[PhoenixDawn]

Derrick Williams is a PF, he can't play the 3. As long as K Love is there, we won't truly see what he's made of.

This about sums up my feelings about Derrick with the Wolves. Having him as a backup PF is definitely a nice thing to have in your pocket, but with Love playing 40 mpg there just isn't enough minutes for Williams to ever play enough to grow as a player and I know he wouldn't be happy or have much motivation playing that few of minutes. That's why I feel the Wolves need to get a good wing in return for him because there really isn't much of a future for him on this team as long as Love is playing for them. Either that, or he needs a full offseason so he can lose some weight and develop his skillset as a 3 because that's his only true hope of fitting on this roster. Besides, I don't think anyone is going to argue with Williams taking minutes at the 3 away from Beasley and Wes.

 

[DY_nasty]

Derrick Williams is a PF, he can't play the 3. As long as K Love is there, we won't truly see what he's made of.

I think that's ridiculous. In this lockout season, its impossible for almost all of the rookies to make any significant adjustments to the game given the lack of opportunities to practice and adapt. A positional issue like Williams' is just too big to even address under these circumstances. Even with that hurdle, he's managed to play well given the minutes. Also, Minnesota isn't close to being so good that they need to consider positional priorities over team talent. You need a 2, Minnesota? You've still got the money and pieces necessary to get one. The only thing they need over any of that is patience. You've sucked for a long, long time - one more year won't hurt.

 

[Rodeo Clown]

I don't see how anyone can really hate on Derrick Williams yet.

He hasn't gotten the opportunity yet. I like what I've seen, though. He doesn't shy from contact, gets to the rim and finishes well around the basketball. That shot is a little funky (there's a kick to it), though.

Williams needs to get minutes after the break. I know the Wolves are in striking distance of the playoffs, but don't keep giving minutes to guys like Beasley and Wes at Williams' expense.

 

[Future PhaZe]

McGee for Williams straight up

 

[Adam Blade]

Drek Williams lol.

 

[Dominican Power]

McGee for Williams straight up

The Wolves don't need a bone head. Plus Pekovic is their future center. The Wolves need perimeter players, especially ones who can shoot and create their own shot.

 

[DY_nasty]

Drek Williams lol.

We should've never took it easy on you.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

It's pretty hard to find lottery picks who entered the league being considered a "tweener" forward who ended up being good and a small forward. The only guy is really Gallinari unless people thought Durant might play a lot of PF when he left college.

 

[charsace]

The Wolves should try to trade Williams for a top 5 pick when the draft rolls around. Williams is a 4.

Random question. Does anyone know why Glen Rice walked away from a shot at the hall of fame in leaving a Lakers team that had prime Shaq and Kobe?

It's pretty hard to find lottery picks who entered the league being considered a "tweener" forward who ended up being good and a small forward. The only guy is really Gallinari unless people thought Durant might play a lot of PF when he left college.

Both guys will eventually play the 4. Durant and Gallinari are great ball handlers for their size and know how to use their size at the 3 on both ends so they can play the 3. The same can't be said for guys like Beasley.

 

[Adam Blade]

We should've never took it easy on you.

Well, I hope you're going to be happy with Barnes as your SF of the future.

 

[Sharp]

McGee for Williams straight up

Sounds good.

 

[giga]

Derrick Williams is awesome for single handedly dismantling #1 seed Dook last year in the ncaa tourny.

 

[DY_nasty]

It's pretty hard to find lottery picks who entered the league being considered a "tweener" forward who ended up being good and a small forward. The only guy is really Gallinari unless people thought Durant might play a lot of PF when he left college.

Aldridge kinda fits that bill. I still think he's a pussy, but he's shirked that tweener label since college.

The thing is, a lot of tweeners get drafted purely on potential and athleticism. Thornton, Julian Wright... but developed tweeners, skilled guys actually do see success like Dudley and Wilson Chandler (all of these guys are from the same class too).

 

[Rodeo Clown]

Can someone explain to me why he can't play the 3?

Because he's too big and can't guard anybody.

Which I don't buy. Not yet. He's like 240 right now, but give him a summer on the Kevin Love workout plan and I think he can totally play small forward full time.

 

[DY_nasty]

It's not like the Wolves can just call Isiah up. Also, Ellington should be getting a lot more burn but he's not 6'7 with a great smile and shitty haircut so that'll never happen.

Well, I hope you're going to be happy with Barnes as your SF of the future.

I'm shocked that you and others believed that this tank job was a one year thing.

PG) Kemba
SG)TANK
SF) SO
PF) HARD
C) Biyombo

Future

 

[Piecake]

The Wolves should try to trade Williams for a top 5 pick when the draft rolls around. Williams is a 4.

Random question. Does anyone know why Glen Rice walked away from a shot at the hall of fame in leaving a Lakers team that had prime Shaq and Kobe?

I would be perfectly fine with that since that will either land us Beal or Lamb, which is fine by me. But yea, i agree. Williams is a 4. Definitely an athletic stretch slashing four, but I think he can guard 4s fine and rebound well, which pretty much makes you a 4. I really dont buy this tweener stuff after watching him play.

Can he play 3? Eh, I think he has the skillset for it, but probably should only play spot minutes there against favorable match ups. At least based on this year, I cant see him guarding a quick slashing 3 effectively. But yea, he needs to go on the Kevin Love diet if he ever wants to play 3 because right now he just aint quick enough

If we dont trade him, I think the wolves best bet is to just go with a 3 big man rotation with Pek, Love, and Williams, and just play Love at center when the other teams big low post threat is out of the game

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

We should've never took it easy on you.

The Clippers will be The Clippers again soon.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Aldridge kinda fits that bill. I still think he's a pussy, but he's shirked that tweener label since college.

The thing is, a lot of tweeners get drafted purely on potential and athleticism. Thornton, Julian Wright... but developed tweeners, skilled guys actually do see success like Dudley and Wilson Chandler (all of these guys are from the same class too).

Yeah, but Aldridge is a Power Forward/Center. Guys like Tyrus Thomas, Thad Young, Jeff Green, Michael Beasley, AF Aminu, Earl Clark, Joe Alexander, etc enter the league at 6'8 to 6'9 with athleticism and people start imaging that they have perimeter skills so they can move to small forward and make up for their lack of size and it almost never actually happens. "Tweener forward" for a lottery pick ends up almost always meaning "Power Forward" or "Bad NBA player" because the perimeter skills of athletic players get super overrated and guys who can jump high often can't move laterally quick enough to play SF either.

 

[Rodeo Clown]

It's not like the Wolves can just call Isiah up. Also, Ellington should be getting a lot more burn but he's not 6'7 with a great smile and shitty haircut so that'll never happen.

But Adelman decided that he's never seeing the floor again. It's dumb. Mostly because he's better on defense than either Wes or Webster and can't be worse offensively.

 

[exarkun]

It's not like the Wolves can just call Isiah up. Also, Ellington should be getting a lot more burn but he's not 6'7 with a great smile and shitty haircut so that'll never happen.

I'm shocked that you and others believed that this tank job was a one year thing.

PG) Kemba
SG)TANK
SF) SO
PF) HARD
C) Biyombo

Future

wait, what? Wheres DJ? You think he is gonna get traded next season despite outplaying Kemba basically in every way possible?

 

[giga]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia4bW797GLQ

Brings a tear to the eye.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

wait, what? Wheres DJ? You think he is gonna get traded next season despite outplaying Kemba basically in every way possible?

Last page there's talk of letting DJ walk.

 

[SamuraiX-]

It's not like the Wolves can just call Isiah up. Also, Ellington should be getting a lot more burn but he's not 6'7 with a great smile and shitty haircut so that'll never happen.

I'm shocked that you and others believed that this tank job was a one year thing.

PG) Kemba
SG)TANK
SF) SO
PF) HARD
C) Biyombo

Future

I lol'd

Where's Hondo and Messiah?

 

[charsace]

But Adelman decided that he's never seeing the floor again. It's dumb. Mostly because he's better on defense than either Wes or Webster and can't be worse offensively.

I can understand why Wes plays. He's a top 5 pick so everyone is hoping he can get it and live up to the Shawn Marion comparisons.

 

[DY_nasty]

Yeah, but Aldridge is a Power Forward/Center. Guys like Tyrus Thomas, Thad Young, Jeff Green, Michael Beasley, AF Aminu, Earl Clark, Joe Alexander, etc enter the league at 6'8 to 6'9 with athleticism and people start imaging that they have perimeter skills so they can move to small forward and make up for their lack of size and it almost never actually happens. "Tweener forward" for a lottery pick ends up almost always meaning "Power Forward" or "Bad NBA player" because the perimeter skills of athletic players get super overrated and guys who can jump high often can't move laterally quick enough to play SF either.

Beasley's problem isn't that he isn't good. Its that he's crazy. He can play either position fine. He's just crazy. Earl Clark? Head case - anyone who saw him at Louisville could've told you that he was bust waiting to happen. Aminu too. He'll always suck. I could go on, but the issue isn't so much the 'tweener' label as it is the stupid GMs drafting on potential and betting it all on a guy with no actual skills who could turn into either Ndubi Ebi or Josh Smith.

 

[exarkun]

It's pretty hard to find lottery picks who entered the league being considered a "tweener" forward who ended up being good and a small forward. The only guy is really Gallinari unless people thought Durant might play a lot of PF when he left college.

Rox are betting on Morris being able to make the jump. That was what the whole D-league thing was for. His offensive game is there, its just his defense...

 

[reilo]

Rox are betting on Morris being able to make the jump. That was what the whole D-league thing was for. His offensive game is there, its just his defense...

If lack of defense was a roadblock to getting playing time on the Rockets, you'd only be playing Dalembert.

 

[DY_nasty]

wait, what? Wheres DJ? You think he is gonna get traded next season despite outplaying Kemba basically in every way possible?

DJ wants a Conley type deal, but we're hardly in Memphis type situation. I'd love to keep him simply because we need the assets but Cho is right to only offer him a 3 year deal given the circumstances. I've been saying it all along, but DJ is gonna make some team (that isn't the Bobcats) very happy next year.

Where's Hondo and Messiah?

Gerald is good. Could be a lot better than most thought too... but its like he's forgotten how athletic he is since college. I appreciate a skill game more than most, but there's no reason he should play like an old man when he's got such rare athleticism. Also, he's got this thing where he can't play good defense and offense at the time. The ghost of Larry Brown still haunts his soul.

 

[giri]

I don't see how anyone can really hate on Derrick Williams yet.

Niether, actually, i really like hte guy.

Derrick Williams is a PF, he can't play the 3. As long as K Love is there, we won't truly see what he's made of.

Isn't he only 6'8" ?

i think he's more Josh Smith than Millsap (Smith, btw, is a 3, not a 4).

 

[Rodeo Clown]

Beasley's problem isn't that he isn't good. Its that he's crazy. He can play either position fine. He's just crazy.

He can't put it together. He'll have a game on occasion that will make you think, Yeah, that's the guy. But most nights he takes long jump shots and doesn't do much in the way of defense.

Somebody will pay Beasley this summer, though, because they think they'll be the team that fixes him. And I won't be mad. Just disappointed it didn't work. And I'll keep hoping he'll have a realization, knowing he likely won't.

 

[windowlurker]

Adidas are you fucking dumb, Rose is always looks/acts all cold, careless and bitter it's not even funny.

At least Kyrie puts on a smile, doesn't throw up gang signs, has no visible tattoos, knows the English language and can play point.

 

[reilo]

Adidas are you fucking dumb, Rose is always looks/acts all cold, careless and bitter it's not even funny.

At least Kyrie puts on a smile, doesn't throw up gang signs, has no visible tattoos, knows the English language and can play point.

 

[windowlurker]

Beasley's problem isn't that he isn't good. Its that he's crazy.

Has Beasley ever had a decent head coach who isn't a fucking tool?

He needs to be taught, and become a mature man.

 

[reilo]

Has Beasley ever had a decent head coach who isn't a fucking tool?

He needs to be taught, and become a mature man.

You can say a lot of things about Adelman and Spo, but neither of them are tools nor stupid head coaches that don't know how to develop young talent.

 

[DY_nasty]

Kyrie is as much of a point guard as Rose and Mo Williams.

Edit: Who has Spo developed? No, giving Wade HGH doesn't count and COLE WORLD NO PASSES isn't doing him any favors either.

 

[windowlurker]

Even his internet tangibles are joyful.

 

[windowlurker]

You can say a lot of things about Adelman and Spo, but neither of them are tools nor stupid head coaches that don't know how to develop young talent.

Spo has the privilege of having three fucking MVP calibur players on his team. Before that he had a Shaq still capable of great things.

The fuck has Adelman done in the playoffs? You Portland fans having some immense flashback over here?

Wesley Johnson is probably snorting spank with Cheeasley right now.

 

[Dominican Power]

Niether, actually, i really like hte guy.




Isn't he only 6'8" ?

i think he's more Josh Smith than Millsap (Smith, btw, is a 3, not a 4).

Chuck Hayes is 6'6 and plays center. Charles Barkley is 6'6 and played Power Forward. Josh Smith is like a hybrid.

 

[giri]

Adidas are you fucking dumb, Rose is always looks/acts all cold, careless and bitter it's not even funny.

At least Kyrie puts on a smile, doesn't throw up gang signs, has no visible tattoos, knows the English language and can play point.

Yeah, who would give the youngers MVP ever an extended sponsorship deal. because so many of the commercials out there today are written, directed, and scripted by the player.

No to mention which, this league doesn't routinely slam young guys who show too much of their own personality. Just ask YNB, or some of the porn stars about dwight.

This is literally the stupidest shit i've read on the internet in years.

 

[DY_nasty]

The fuck has Adelman done in the playoffs?

Adelman is probably one of the best coaches in the league that has yet to win a ring along with George Karl.

Not his fault that Robert Horry was born and Kobebows are legal.

Chuck Hayes is 6'6 and plays center. Charles Barkley is 6'6 and played Power Forward. Josh Smith is like a hybrid.

Body types are completely different.

Also, Chuck played in a league where every player wasn't sporting a freakish wingspan.

 

[reilo]

Kyrie is as much of a point guard as Rose and Mo Williams.

Edit: Who has Spo developed? No, giving Wade HGH doesn't count and COLE WORLD NO PASSES isn't doing him any favors either.

I thought he did just fine with the squad he had before The Decision. Although his big mistake was not playing Dorrell more.

Adelman is probably one of the best coaches in the league that has yet to win a ring along with George Karl.

Not his fault that Robert Horry was born and Kobebows are legal.

Do people not forget the two Blazers teams in the 90s that had to go up against the Pistons and Bulls?

 

[giri]

Spo has the privilege of having three fucking MVP calibur players on his team. Before that he had a Shaq still capable of great things.

The fuck has Adelman done in the playoffs? You Portland fans having some immense flashback over here?

Wesley Johnson is probably snorting spank with Cheeasley right now.

Ahh, so there are only 3 good head coaches in the league then? Pop, rivers, Carlisle?

everyone else is just scrubs and can't coach at all?

And that unless you're drafted by one of those 3 thats it, pack your shit up son, and go home, you're out of the league?

 

[windowlurker]

Exactly, came up fucking short every chance he had. Great fucking coach.

 

[Duki]

apart of.D

 

[reilo]

Exactly, came up fucking short every chance he had. Great fucking coach.

When did Adelman ever have the superior roster?

 

[charsace]

Kyrie is as much of a point guard as Rose and Mo Williams.

Edit: Who has Spo developed? No, giving Wade HGH doesn't count and COLE WORLD NO PASSES isn't doing him any favors either.

Kyrie has better court vision than both of them. I thought Kyrie was going to be Andre Miller with a jump shot, but he's more athletic than I thought. Kyrie is a super version of Derrick Harper.

 

[DY_nasty]

giri is displaying such typical aussie rage lately.

I thought he did just fine with the squad he had before The Decision. Although his big mistake was not playing Dorrell more.

True. But Dorrell... he can be called a letdown in a lot of ways.

 

[windowlurker]

Ahh, so there are only 3 good head coaches in the league then? Pop, rivers, Carlisle?

everyone else is just scrubs and can't coach at all?

And that unless you're drafted by one of those 3 thats it, pack your shit up son, and go home, you're out of the league?

No you cunt.

Thibodeau
Scott
Collins
McMillan

 

[Omiee]

in how many hours does the saturday night events start?

 

[reilo]

No you cunt.

Thibodeau
Scott
Collins
McMillan

As much as I like any of those coaches, Karl and Adelman are far more accomplished than all of them combined.