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P R O M E T H E U S |OT| Ridley Scott goes back to Building Better Worlds

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diamount said:
Aye, the only impressive thing visually was the landing scene and going through the atmosphere.
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One problem with Prometheus is despite the beautiful photography, many of the outdoor shots just look like Iceland with some added CG.

Avatar does better creating a new world.
 
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P R O M E T H E U S |OT| Ridley Scott goes back to Ruining hallowed franchises.

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A shit cover reflecting the equal shit quality of this movie.
 
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SCULLIBUNDO

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LOL.

Cameron's 'I would have done things differently' has always been his polite version of saying 'I wouldn't have done that shit.'

He said the same thing about T3 and Salvation. Dude doesn't like to throw people under the bus unless they vehemently go out of their way to shit on something he has worked on.

Dude would never disrespect Ridley.
 
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Scullibundo said:
LOL.

Cameron's 'I would have done things differently' has always been his polite version of saying 'I wouldn't have done that shit.'

He said the same thing about T3 and Salvation. Dude doesn't like to throw people under the bus unless they vehemently go out of their way to shit on something he has worked on.

Dude would never disrespect Ridley.
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So when he said he liked it and thought it was great, he actually meant it was bad?

It's a good thing we have the professional Cameron interpreter here.
 
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DMczaf said:
So when he said he liked it and thought it was great, he actually meant it was bad?

It's a good thing we have the professional Cameron interpreter here.
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He said that of T3. He was asked on air whether he liked it and then said 'Of course, I would have done things much differently, but I thought he did a good job. It's hard to take on somebody else's work and I think Jonathon (Mostow) did a great job.

You can't go around taking a shit on other directors, because Karma is a bitch in Hollywood. Just ask Terry Gilliam. Dude is still cursed as fuck.
 
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Tedesco!

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Scullibundo said:
I didn't realize that Aliens came out before The Terminator. I SHOULD READ UP ON MY CAMERONS.
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Terminator was a good film, but I feel Aliens really put Cameron on the map. I don't know what course his career would have taken had he not done Aliens, but at least in this timeline it's safe to say that some of Cameron's success at the time was tied to Ridley's.

Would Cameron's career have been the same had he followed Terminator with Abyss? I believe the only reason we saw T2 was due to the Abyss' commercial failure.
 
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Tedesco! said:
Terminator was a good film, but I feel Aliens really put Cameron on the map. I don't know what course his career would have taken had he not done Aliens, but at least in this timeline it's safe to say that some of Cameron's success at the time was tied to Ridley's.

Would Cameron's career have been the same had he followed Terminator with Abyss? I believe the only reason we saw T2 was due to the Abyss' commercial failure.
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This is beyond retarded. Cameron had everything stacked against him with Aliens. It is to his credit alone that Aliens was as well-received as it was. As always, everybody - fans and crew alike were pissed that some green Canadian director had been announced as helming the Alien sequel. Fincher and Jeunet both screwed the pooch on their Alien films.

Cameron has the career he has because he was ballsy enough to sell The Terminator script for $1 on the condition that he direct it. He bet it all on himself and it paid off in dividends. To say that Cameron owes his success to Ridley Scott is beyond retarded, it's insulting to one of the most dedicated, driven and tireless filmmaking talents we have.
 
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Tedesco!

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Scullibundo said:
This is beyond retarded. Cameron had everything stacked against him with Aliens. It is to his credit alone that Aliens was as well-received as it was. As always, everybody - fans and crew alike were pissed that some green Canadian director had been announced as helming the Alien sequel. Fincher and Jeunet both screwed the pooch on their Alien films.

Cameron has the career he has because he was ballsy enough to sell The Terminator script for $1 on the condition that he direct it. He bet it all on himself and it paid off in dividends. To say that Cameron owes his success to Ridley Scott is beyond retarded, it's insulting to one of the most dedicated, driven and tireless filmmaking talents we have.
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I can't tell if you're serious or not....

I said some of the credit goes to Ridley, not all. Obviously Cameron had talent back then and utilized it fully. You don't need to try and school me on Cameron, I'm well versed. His experience on Aliens is irrelevant to the conversation. I was stating that had Alien not been a success, or if Aliens fail in '86, that Cameron would not be the director he is today.
 
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Tedesco! said:
I can't tell if you're serious or not....

I said some of the credit goes to Ridley, not all. Obviously Cameron had talent back then and utilized it fully. You don't need to try and school me on Cameron, I'm well versed. His experience on Aliens is irrelevant to the conversation. I was stating that had Alien not been a success, or if Aliens fail in '86, that Cameron would not be the director he is today.
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Of course he wouldn't be the director he is today if you take away one of his many hits. But what I'm saying is that Aliens' success had everything to do with Cameron and very little to do with Scott.

And what you actually said was 'He pretty much owes his career to Ridley.' Which is a ridiculous statement that you're now trying to backpedal on.
 
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Tedesco!

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Scullibundo said:
Of course he wouldn't be the director he is today if you take away one of his many hits. But what I'm saying is that Aliens' success had everything to do with Cameron and very little to do with Scott.

And what you actually said was 'He pretty much owes his career to Ridley.' Which is a ridiculous statement that you're now trying to backpedal on.
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What I said after was " it's safe to say that some of Cameron's success at the time was tied to Ridley's." No real backpedaling; just clarification.

I think you are missing the point I was trying to make. Alien's success led to a sequel. We all know that Aliens was a big hit. I was trying to say who knows how successful Cameron would be had Alien not succeed. If Alien didn't succeed, would there have been a sequel? Probably not. Aliens, in my opinion, really solidified Cameron as a top director. So the success of Alien led to the decision to create a sequel. Cameron made said sequel. BTW, I'm not shitting on Aliens either. It's one of my top five films. I just don't it is out of the question to recognize that without Alien Cameron's career might not have been what it is today.
 
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There really isn't a single thing Prometheus does better than Avatar, whether it be coherent film making, solid worldbuilding, etc. Shit, I think even the chair I sat in at the theater was comfier when I watched Avatar compared to when I watched Prometheus.
 
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There really isn't a single thing Prometheus does better than Avatar, whether it be coherent film making, solid worldbuilding, etc. Shit, I think even the chair I sat in at the theater was comfier when I watched Avatar compared to when I watched Prometheus.
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Theron is hotter
 
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Tedesco! said:
I can't tell if you're serious or not....

I said some of the credit goes to Ridley, not all. Obviously Cameron had talent back then and utilized it fully. You don't need to try and school me on Cameron, I'm well versed. His experience on Aliens is irrelevant to the conversation. I was stating that had Alien not been a success, or if Aliens fail in '86, that Cameron would not be the director he is today.
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I'm assuming you're insinuating he'd be a failed director of some sort?

You dont know that. That's a ridiculous statement. Perhaps it would have taken longer and obviously transpired much differently, but if a person is dedicated and talented, sky's the limit.
 
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Tedesco!

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I'm not assuming he would be a bad director, but maybe he wouldn't have gone on to do Titanic or Avatar. Maybe he wouldn't have had the heat behind him to get the projects done.
 
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With regards to
Xenomorph
did they acquire some of the characteristics of
first human host, Elizabeth Shaw
? As in would they have been the way they are had it not been for their
method of birth through the human host which later evolved to the final form that we are familiar today
?
 
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VICTORsaurio

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Just watched Alien for the first time in anticipation of watching Prometheus tomorrow (it only premiered here last friday). Not sure what to expect but I'm probably gonna like it despite of all the bad reviews.
 
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HomerSimpson-Man said:
God, Holloway comes off as a whiny bitch even worse!
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Seriously.

Zombie James said:
Yes, let's take a big, healthy whiff of that weird alien skin. Great scientist, or greatest scientist?
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Dude was a walking Darwin Award his entire life. It's a miracle he didn't die on the way there, after finding a loose wire and chewing on it to see what it tasted like.

Some decent bits in those extra scenes. Of the 10 minutes, 2-3 of them would have been nice to have; I liked Vickers mentioning "that thing squirming next door"; at least the c-section scene wasn't forgotten entirely. But nothing essential.
 
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SCULLIBUNDO

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Just watched the deleted scenes. They actually fixed the 'father....' scene. I thought the other scenes were good for Shaw's character right up until Holloway comes stomping into each of them and completely ruins each scene.

That was some awkward and quick post-fight sex.
 
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aerts1js said:
I realize that expectations were sky high for this film but god damn, it gets way too much hate.
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Its safe to say that anyone who was interested in Prometheus, wanted a movie with a decent story, and good characters to continue the Alien universe. Characters that simply reacted to each others plot points would have been great. I've never seen an entire theater say "no, you can't be that dumb?" for 2 hours minus david's intro. Sci Fi movies all have their low cliche parts. Prometheus was full of them, literally back to back, with such stupid writing that I couldn't even unplug my brain enough to enjoy it, after realizing that its just stupid, that there was no script, and its just to sell the art book.

Lets not put Ridley scott in that arena either, the de-brain arena of Michael Bay. A lot of people try to make the excuse that "duurrr I knew it was gunna be dum!" Based on what? Even Alien had characters react to others mishaps, same with Aliens. Same with Alien 3.. hell I'll even throw in the entire-alien franchise had better writing than Prometheus. Not just "Welp, onto the next plot point. We are running out of time!"

Ugh, I need a drink to calm my nerves. The only thing that is more irritating than this movie, is people that pretend it wasn't the criticisms, and not just 1 or 2, but an entire movie full of valid criticisms. Some movies have a couple, this movie had a man try and touch an alien snake like it was a dog (after being terrified of ANYTHING living on an alien planet..), the guy that maps the building gets lost(yet knows their coordinates..?) Breathing alien air, with unknown ALIEN anything in the atmosphere, straight line running, no reaction to alien life being removed fro.. fuck it.. just fuck it.
 
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