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[Particle Physicist]

Yeah, but, keeping the kids away from Walt in this case seems like the thing that would prevent them from being hurt. Skyler may not know about violence hanging over Walt's head, but she knows how dangerous drug dealing can be, and she's seen flashes of anger boiling up in Walt, and the more open Walt is about his dealing, the more he seems to hint at having been involved in rather unpleasant things, so how does she even know what this man is capable of anymore? He himself could be a threat to his children, if not his underground career.

Plus he makes meth. Would you want your children anywhere near a meth dealer? Really?

She doesn't even know if he is still involved with making meth or not. Or to what degree he was previously involved. I think she is keeping the children away for more selfish reasons.

 

[Daigoro]

Season 2, Negro y Azul. One of the two best episodes, imo.
How can you not remember the Tortuga scene??

i dunno, but youre not helping!

 

[BamYouHaveAids]

She doesn't even know if he is still involved with making meth or not. Or to what degree he was previously involved. I think she is keeping the children away for more selfish reasons.

Wouldn't that be all the more reason to keep them away?

 

[maharg]

She doesn't even know if he is still involved with making meth or not. Or to what degree he was previously involved. I think she is keeping the children away for more selfish reasons.

I hope, if ever faced with a similar situation in your own life, you're as saintly and understanding as you seem to think Skylar should be. When Walt chose to hide his real life from his wife, the marriage was broken and trust was dead. Everything after that is entirely his fault.

 

[got2bekidding]

I remember Skylar as the person not being thrilled that Walt's cancer went into remission, doing that little Marilyn Monroe dance for Ted in front of the workers that ended with a kiss on the cheek (despite his advances earlier in the week, while pregnant with Holly btw), and going along with cooking the books.

Cooking the books is just an example of her hypocrisy in her holier than thou attitude. Yes, she is a better person than Walt in that Walt has done much worse things, but she acts like she's perfect. Well, she isn't, and it's annoying when she acts that way. Her feelings about Walt's cancer and her actions towards Ted were before she knew anything of Walt's wrong doings. If she didn't do these things, I would be right there with you guys saying 'good for her!'. It appeared to me that she always was into Ted and was just looking for a reason. Why do you think that's the first thing that came to her in order to get back at Walt? Also, bringing the baby to the fuck session was classy. Mom of the year, go Skylar. Just because Walt didn't want a divorce doesn't mean she wouldn't be able to get one. It doesn't mean she needs to go screw some douchebag that makes moves on pregnant married women. Screwing Ted doesn't help her move towards her ultimate goal of getting the kids away from Walt. Sure it pains him to know she did that, but that just gives him something to hold against her and possibly use against her with the kids. Personally, I don't like cheaters either, so that plays a part in my feelings. I just think she could accomplish what she wants to do by not sinking down to that level.

I think that people say 'Go Walt' when he does bad things is that it's crazy to see the dad from Malcolm in the Middle doing those kinds of things. At least that's how it is for me since that's where I grew to enjoy his talents as an actor.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Wouldn't that be all the more reason to keep them away?

Huh? Without knowing anything? Wouldn't you want to know that information?

I hope, if ever faced with a similar situation in your own life, you're as saintly and understanding as you seem to think Skylar should be. When Walt chose to hide his real life from his wife, the marriage was broken and trust was dead. Everything after that is entirely his fault.

If ever faced with a similar situation. I would at least talk to the person before I make a rash decision. I am not saying Skyler should be understanding. I am not even defending Walt. All I am saying is that her actions are pretty bad, especially without knowing any details at all. Are they as bad as Walts? No. But why even compare? Bad is bad.

 

[AlternativeUlster]

The only I miss from the show is Walt doing more science tricks. We haven't seen him do that in a while. I want more Mr. Wizard bad assery.

 

[beelzebozo]

it's a weird thing, because as we've so gradually taken the journey with walt from square one when he learned about his cancer and went through the levels of justification for what he was doing, it's easy to trace that back to its roots and say that the good intentions somehow make what he's done or is doing less severe. this is the part of the story that you would never get on the evening news: we've seen him genuinely love his son, go out of his way and self-sacrifice to leave this nest-egg for his family, seen him struggle with what he's doing emotionally, and as such when skylar wigs out on him it's easy to say, "god, poor walt, he's just trying to take care of you and you're throwing it in his face."

but that's the beauty and the trick of a show like this, where we have the time to gradually take those steps with a character. because it seems so gradual, i find myself buying into walt's justifications one-by-one, until i realize i'm as knee deep in shit as he is, and only thinking objectively can i lift a foot out and realize what i'm standing in. skylar is far from perfect, this is true--but she's not evil for freaking out at the notion that her husband is a meth cook, or even for freaking out when she realizes that walt has had a secret life for a good long while. that sort of secret is a betrayal which really cannot be undone.

there are no heroes on the show, only victims. collateral damage like walt junior are the ones we should be focusing on. i feel similarly about jesse, as despite the fact that he got himself into much of his own mess, it's clear that his decisions have been influenced by a weakness for narcotics that severely impaired his judgment and led to him fucking himself up very early in life.

so yeah. it's easy to make justifications for walt, because we know where he's coming from. but where he's ended up is as a person who's done some pretty dastardly things, and willfully made a lot of innocent people collateral damage in the interest of making his family financially comfy.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

I think some of you are missing how abusive Walt is being of Skyler. Firstly, since he got into drugs, he hasn't been interested in her thoughts, opinions, or demands about anything. He's basically shut her out. Being marginalized as a human being like that is one of the most painful things possible. And when it's by your significant other, it's devastating.

Secondly, he's put his family in danger, all the while telling himself it's for their benefit. Like someone pointed out previously, they were probably going to be kidnapped and/or killed if they happened to be home when Tuco's cousins came in. There's also Saul's "we've got a wife problem," and who knows what that will lead to.

Lastly, Walter just wants her to accept it, no questions asked. "I'm making pot roast; everything's back to normal." You can't just make something so painful and complex go away. Skyler's been pushed to the brink, and now she's gone past it.

-----

Do you guys think there's any chance she didn't F.T. and she's just bluffing?

 

[Boonoo]

Do you guys think there's any chance she didn't F.T. and she's just bluffing?

Oh, she F. T.

Dr. Tim Whatley!

 

[yacobod]

the road to hell is often paved with good intentions ..........or something

 

[Spectral Glider]

I think some of you are missing how abusive Walt is being of Skyler. Firstly, since he got into drugs, he hasn't been interested in her thoughts, opinions, or demands about anything. He's basically shut her out. Being marginalized as a human being like that is one of the most painful things possible. And when it's by your significant other, it's devastating.

Secondly, he's put his family in danger, all the while telling himself it's for their benefit. Like someone pointed out previously, they were probably going to be kidnapped and/or killed if they happened to be home when Tuco's cousins came in. There's also Saul's "we've got a wife problem," and who knows what that will lead to.

Lastly, Walter just wants her to accept it, no questions asked. "I'm making pot roast; everything's back to normal." You can't just make something so painful and complex go away. Skyler's been pushed to the brink, and now she's gone past it.

Pretty much. The moment Walt started his life of crime, the marriage and family were damaged, probably to the point of no repair. Furthermore, we found out that Walt more or less "settled" for his teaching job and who knows, maybe for Skyler too and he just doesn't realize it. I think, for me anyway, that's why his whole, "Look what I did for you" rings kind of hollow. Because if you ask me, he did it for himself more than anything else.

 

[Servbot #42]

- Sneak peek at next week's episode: "Green Light"

Can anyone upload AMC to youtube or something else? they are blocked for people outside the U.S.

 

[Applesauce]

Can anyone upload AMC to youtube or something else? they are blocked for people outside the U.S.

Can't upload it to youtube but here's a basic rundown :

Spoiler

The preview shows Jesse fueling up the RV / Meth lab and offering a small bag of meth to the clerk as payment since he forgot to bring cash. He eventually sweet talks her into accepting since a State Trooper walks in while Jesse is at the counter. So apparently Jesse can cook the meth properly now.

 

[Servbot #42]

Can't upload it to youtube but here's a basic rundown :

Spoiler

The preview shows Jesse fueling up the RV / Meth lab and offering a small bag of meth to the clerk as payment since he forgot to bring cash. He eventually sweet talks her into accepting since a State Trooper walks in while Jesse is at the counter. So apparently Jesse can cook the meth properly now.

thank you very much! Wow at that stuff, too bad it's a week for me until the next episode

 

[gdt]

That was my favorite episode of this show, I think.

 

[CygnusXS]

That was my favorite episode of this show, I think.

Yeah, it was a great episode.

I think my favourite is still Peekaboo though.

 

[mattiewheels]

That was my favorite episode of this show, I think.

I feel exactly the same way, just an emotionally stunning episode. I really think the is the finest show on television right now, haven't watched Mad Men since season 1 though, so I can't judge it against that.

 

[TheGoldenGunman]

This show is SO good. The writing, the acting, everything!

I'm guessing that now Skylar has slept with Ted, Walt is going to become even more detached from the life he once knew. This could well be the start of pushing him back into the meth game and more into "Heisenberg the criminal overlord" mode once more. It's surely only a matter of time before he accepts Gus' $3mil offer.

Thinking about ways the plot could develop later in the season, I could actually see later down the line Walt finding a mistress himself. Sure it seems far fetched as of right now, but I wonder if he will come to realise that there is no way back to the life he once knew and that this will further push him down the road of wrong doings.

Also, one thing that has always puzzled me about the show is Walt's backstory. His brilliance was briefly alluded to in S1 with Elliot and his wife who now owned a large pharmaceuticals company. It seems kind of strange they have never gone into that little more, I kind of hoped they would.

 

[Radogol]

I'm still not sure whether Skylar F.T. to make Walt move out or to have him feel the pain of living day to day with someone who betrayed your trust in a major way. If it's the latter, though, I'm guessing the show will move into the War of the Roses territory.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

Also, one thing that has always puzzled me about the show is Walt's backstory. His brilliance was briefly alluded to in S1 with Elliot and his wife who now owned a large pharmaceuticals company. It seems kind of strange they have never gone into that little more, I kind of hoped they would.

Word. I wonder if they will start up a relationship between Walt and what's-her-name.

 

[daw840]

I am so glad to see this thread grow so much bigger and faster than the last two seasons. Hopefully GAF = Rest of the US.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Also, one thing that has always puzzled me about the show is Walt's backstory. His brilliance was briefly alluded to in S1 with Elliot and his wife who now owned a large pharmaceuticals company. It seems kind of strange they have never gone into that little more, I kind of hoped they would.

Should be clear by now to most people that this show doesn't like to simply leave behind anything it spent a decent amount of time and focus on. If something isn't scripted ahead into the overall arc as it is created and introduced, it certainly seems to get woven back into the ongoing saga later on.

As for Walt and Skylar's marriage, I think that, for the sake of Walt Jr. and Holly, things will be turned into a carefully maintained facade in order to conceal whatever secret war might break out between the parents from affecting their jobs and (hopes for their) family life. As well, there's the complication of getting Hank and Marie involved in the legal and social issues of both of their dealings. Basically, I can see both seeing other people on the side while staying married. Lots of interesting possibilities now, but whatever the case, it's going to get darker and more dangerous.

 

[Applesauce]

Anyone check out the episode 4 photos on AMC's official Breaking Bad page? There's only 2 but the photo of Walt is just :lol

 

[Cornballer]

Haha, good stuff. *photos from Episode 4*
- Photo 1
- Photo 2

 

[daw840]

Haha, good stuff.
- Photo 1
- Photo 2

Oh shit, those are from the upcoming episode!

 

[dave is ok]

Anyone check out the episode 4 photos on AMC's official Breaking Bad page? There's only 2 but the photo of Walt is just :lol

I'm guessing he's being

Spoiler

escorting off the high school grounds

which means we're due for a

Spoiler

freak out.

 

[Cornballer]

Oh shit, those are from the upcoming episode!

Whoops. I labeled them now.

 

[daw840]

Whoops. I labeled them now.

That's cool. I don't really mind. Not really spoilers as teasers anyways.

 

[Tetra-9]

Guys c'mon Skylar has been a bad wife since the beginning... Handjob scene anyone? Ya'll talking about Walt selling meth and becoming disinterested in Skylar, but she wasn't interested from the beginning.

 

[Old Lace]

Guys c'mon Skylar has been a bad wife since the beginning... Handjob scene anyone? Ya'll talking about Walt selling meth and becoming disinterested in Skylar, but she wasn't interested from the beginning.

I don't remember the handjob scene. Could you refresh my memory?

 

[Cornballer]

I don't remember the handjob scene. Could you refresh my memory?

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Guys c'mon Skylar has been a bad wife since the beginning... Handjob scene anyone? Ya'll talking about Walt selling meth and becoming disinterested in Skylar, but she wasn't interested from the beginning.

I don't know about her being a bad wife because their married sex life is stuck in rut of basic servicing, but I wonder if Walt really, really wanted to be with her beyond her being available after leaving Gretchen. Walt's ideal of some 50s-style nuclear family seems to be a convenient cobbling together of a safe zone that includes anyone in the immediate vicinity and fits the part, but doesn't necessarily represent even his ideal. Remember, he was just 'settling' for things before the terminal cancer diagnosis landed in his lap. I wonder if Walt was well and truly interested in her and not the part she could play in his fantasy of an ideal existence he's trying to keep alive. I think we'll see him move toward some realization about his true desires.

 

[ezekial45]

I'm guessing he's being

Spoiler

escorting off the high school grounds

which means we're due for a

Spoiler

freak out.

Or maybe

Spoiler

out of Ted's office building.

 

[Tetra-9]

I am so glad to see this thread grow so much bigger and faster than the last two seasons. Hopefully GAF = Rest of the US.

I'm super glad to see that someone had a a handjob.gif so I didn't have to explain. Only on GAF.

 

[Applesauce]

Another preview for episode 4 courtesy of Tv.com, and it is a completely different scene from the one posted below at AMC's website. It's roughly the same length, about 3 and a half minutes.

I'm going to bookmark that page because their preview for I.F.T. was also different than the one on AMC's site.

Or maybe

Spoiler

out of Ted's office building.

That's what I was thinking.

 

[Tetra-9]

I don't know about her being a bad wife because their married sex life is stuck in rut of basic servicing, but I wonder if Walt really, really wanted to be with her beyond her being available after leaving Gretchen. Walt's ideal of some 50s-style nuclear family seems to be a convenient cobbling together of a safe zone that includes anyone in the immediate vicinity and fits the part, but doesn't necessarily represent even his ideal. Remember, he was just 'settling' for things before the terminal cancer diagnosis landed in his lap. I wonder if Walt was well and truly interested in her and not the part she could play in his fantasy of an ideal existence he's trying to keep alive. I think we'll see him move toward some realization about his true desires.

Good point, I've always wondered about more of the backstory between Walt and Gretchen. I hope we find out more cause you made it sound all the more inportant haha.

 

[Spectral Glider]

:lol I'd forgotten about that. I love GAF's ability of the instant gif.

 

[AlternativeUlster]

I'm guessing he's being

Spoiler

escorting off the high school grounds

which means we're due for a

Spoiler

freak out.

Yep, that is what I imagine happening too.

 

[AlternativeUlster]

Another preview for episode 4 courtesy of Tv.com, and it is a completely different scene from the one posted below at AMC's website. It's roughly the same length, about 3 and a half minutes.

I'm going to bookmark that page because their preview for I.F.T. was also different than the one on AMC's site.
.

Fuck yeah! Sunday can't come soon enough.

 

[maharg]

Guys c'mon Skylar has been a bad wife since the beginning... Handjob scene anyone? Ya'll talking about Walt selling meth and becoming disinterested in Skylar, but she wasn't interested from the beginning.

Right, because in bizzaroland having a bad sex life is equivalent to living a double life and putting your family in mortal danger.

 

[Mike M]

Based on the comment in the AMC preview of

Spoiler

"behavioral issues"

I'm guessing that pic is indeed Walt

Spoiler

being forcibly removed from school grounds

 

[Dan]

Skyler might be giving Walt some room to play hardball in divorce proceedings, with the infidelity and perhaps the smoking while pregnant.

Funny how she's going after Ted who's conducting his own illegal operations...

 

[Spire]

Regardless of whether Skylar has been a bad wife, I think it's obvious that they don't love each other any more and Walt is just trying to glue their family back so he can justify to himself what he's done. He broke bad to save his family, but in the process destroyed it. He's trying to save something that isn't really there anymore and has not come to terms with that yet.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

So what are you guys going to DVR for later: this or Treme?

I'm gonna watch both Monday since I won't be home Sunday night.

 

[Cornballer]

I'll probably watch this and save Treme for after since Treme is 80min this week. Tough call, though.

 

[Mike M]

Regardless of whether Skylar has been a bad wife, I think it's obvious that they don't love each other any more and Walt is just trying to glue their family back so he can justify to himself what he's done. He broke bad to save his family, but in the process destroyed it. He's trying to save something that isn't really there anymore and has not come to terms with that yet.

I don't know that I'd say Walt doesn't love Skyler anymore. Their relationship is shattered beyond all repair by his actions, but it's all borne of making sure his family is OK when he's gone. If he didn't love them and just wanted the facade of the ideal family, he wouldn't have done these things on the first place.

He's dangerously misguided, but he does love Skyler deep down inside. If she would forgive him, he'd be fucking ecstatic, even if she did F.T.

 

[Dan]

I don't know that I'd say Walt doesn't love Skyler anymore. Their relationship is shattered beyond all repair by his actions, but it's all borne of making sure his family is OK when he's gone. If he didn't love them and just wanted the facade of the ideal family, he wouldn't have done these things on the first place.

He's dangerously misguided, but he does love Skyler deep down inside. If she would forgive him, he'd be fucking ecstatic, even if she did F.T.

No one said he was conscious of it. There's no doubt his actions, in his mind, are born out of wanting to protect and support his family, but is it out of true love or the idea of love/family? He has a lot of romanticized notions about what the man of the house should do. Just look at the pride that pretty much started the whole thing when he refused his friends' help, and in so many examples since then.

Of course he'd be ecstatic if Skyler forgave him, but that doesn't prove real love, or that it's greater than his love of what his family represents for him.

 

[Spire]

I don't know that I'd say Walt doesn't love Skyler anymore. Their relationship is shattered beyond all repair by his actions, but it's all borne of making sure his family is OK when he's gone. If he didn't love them and just wanted the facade of the ideal family, he wouldn't have done these things on the first place.

He's dangerously misguided, but he does love Skyler deep down inside. If she would forgive him, he'd be fucking ecstatic, even if she did F.T.

He loved them at the beginning of the show, but things have fallen apart since then. He's now at a point where he's done all these horrible things and has several dozen pounds of meth and nearly 200 bodies on his conscience. Saving up for his family has always been his justification and if they fall apart, he won't be able to rationalize away all of the guilt bearing down on him. The day he admits he's destroyed his family he'll either hang himself or fully break bad.

 

[Funky Papa]

Right, because in bizzaroland having a bad sex life is equivalent to living a double life and putting your family in mortal danger.

Eh, Skylar has been a cold, nosy bitch since day one. I am not denying that Walter is a massive fuckup of a husband, mind you.