NeoGAFFer said:Why isn't this up yet in iTunes?
edit: HAHAHA, a drunk guy and Robert Ashly in one podcast, Fucking GOLD :lol
Mar_ said:What the fuck.
The irony of laughing at, interrupting, refusing to acknowledge any points what so ever, and then KICKING A GUY OFF THE PODCAST. Then straight after talking about how awesome everyone is because they listen to everyone and share points. Was a fucking travesty and this is the single worst podcast I've heard. Let alone 1up Yours which I've listened to since the beginning.
Did this guy who was mocked endlessly have reason for receiving the ridicule? Did he kick someone in the balls before he came on? What the hell happened here?
PhlivoSong said:Are you serious? Did you hear the part where he started arguing with someone and the basis for his argument was actually the exact opposite of what the person actually said that he was arguing with?
It seems this one misunderstanding is what everyone is basing their opinion of. It happens. It's really not that shocking; he was on the defensive the entire time, standing up for what he loved and did for a living, and Robert Ashley's opinion towards the variety of games, despite having the same tone, was completely disengenous with the terribly dismissive, and condescending attitude towards games he held for the previous twenty minutes. Edge guy misses a word, but RA is still talking in the same manner, wham, misunderstanding.PhlivoSong said:Are you serious? Did you hear the part where he started arguing with someone and the basis for his argument was actually the exact opposite of what the person actually said that he was arguing with? There is no irony because the guy was drunk and not making any sense. Just because they talked about the love at PAX that doesn't mean it's necessary to allow drunk people to scream into a mic for 10 minutes and let them say whatever they want.
It's embarrassing that they let him get onto the mic at all.
Polmacaoidh said:Personally, as for the topic itself I really couldn't agree with the sentiment that videogames are currently more varied than film at all
Polmacaoidh said:Personally, as for the topic itself I really couldn't agree with the sentiment that videogames are currently more varied than film at all (not to say they can't be).
Agreed, though in that instance I feel he was wrongly (because it was the opposite of what RA was saying) reacting to the comparison between Noby Noby Boy and 50 cent (or whichever the second was) and the (wrongly interpreted) implication that they were, like all games, similar (he had become quite defensive by that stage). His other opinions seemed interesting (the first of which being the compulsion of games being the connection of the player, and the game that he is actively interacting with, ie: seeing your interactions manifest), but I have no clue, as clearly no one actually wanted a thought out, longer than an off-the-cuff quip, more than surface deep response. Why do you play games man, what's the point?Mar_ said:I didn't personally empathize with the dudes points (I keep calling him 'dude' because I can't recall his name.
Yea. It can be really frustrating listening to a podcast and having no input at all, but listening to someone be almost abused takes it to another level. Stuff like this doesn't really happen often though, I guess it was just late and everyone was more than a bit drunk. It seems the longer a podcast runs with the same close people and less structure, the more fratboy-ish they become, see Giant Bomb. Really turns me off (although others, including most of Gaf, seem to enjoy it).Mar_ said:But the fact is, you don't treat someone like that. You don't publicly ridicule someone.
I can understand if the dude was an asshole. If no one at that table liked him at all and he'd previously said something that made everyone angry. But if that was the case, the editors of the podcast should have included some context so the listeners could understand why he was being blasted from beginning to end.
I've never felt this strongly about a piece of media ever. And I know it's part of the charm of 1up Yours. As I mentioned earlier I've listened since the very beginning and have felt my fair share of anger and happiness toward conversations. But nothing like this. This literally ruined a good few hours of my day. A day where I dedicate a number of hours to sitting outside with my dog and a few beers and attempt to relax after a working week. I can honestly say if any 1up Yours makes me feel like this again I'll unsubscribe and stop listening. Because I really don't need the frustration and anger on a day I'm meant to be relaxing.
daycru said:Have some of you guys NEVER been out drinking with friends? You yell and bust on each other. It's not being disrespectful or mocking, you're just giving the other dude (usually the guy who's the most drunk) a hard time.
I was responding more to the people saying they were "harassing" the guy.Flavius said:Fun to experience? Can be.
Fun to listen to? Not so much.
daycru said:I was responding more to the people saying they were "harassing" the guy.
Mar_ said:Everyone was drunk, everyone was yelling. He just had to yell louder to attempt to drown out the mocking and interruptions. Personally, I would have walked out.
That did get a bit annoying when they start talking about playing games as some worthless, shameful thing we do to keep from daydreaming all day.Sectus said:That bizarre argument definitely made little sense, and I'm a bit disappointed and annoyed that when people started talking about it more calmly they all went the pretentious road and refused to say they play video games simply because they're fun. They all had to try to come up with some kind of deeper meaning about why people should play games. One of them said that games are automatically inferior to books, and a few said they almost never play games... well, it made me question why they're supposedly so dedicated to games when they talk about games so negatively.
LCfiner said:the guy was talking about he WANTS in games but wasn't really answering why we play games. and he wouldn't stop yelling the same point again and again. I would have kicked him off the mic, too.
LCfiner said:Man, I would not have expected such a sour reaction to how that super drunk dev was treated.
he kept repeating the same point again and again "it's about feeelings" but, really, how long have we had these epic games that attempt to evoke such emotions? Only recently.
Everyone in that recording room (and probably half of GAF) started gaming for other reasons. perhaps an obsession with technology or the thrill of interactivity with a traditionally non interactive device (the TV).
Or perhaps how the simple games of the past helped spurn our own imagination in the same way a book can get us to visualize things that are not really there.
the guy was talking about he WANTS in games but wasn't really answering why we play games. and he wouldn't stop yelling the same point again and again. I would have kicked him off the mic, too.
heck, I suspect that for most people (not Gaffers, but the general public) gaming is just an entertaining and simple distraction and all the talk of feelings and emotions and epic experiences has as much meaning as Bobito's Bonerzz talk.
LCfiner said:Man, I would not have expected such a sour reaction to how that super drunk dev was treated.
he kept repeating the same point again and again "it's about feeelings" but, really, how long have we had these epic games that attempt to evoke such emotions? Only recently.
Everyone in that recording room (and probably half of GAF) started gaming for other reasons. perhaps an obsession with technology or the thrill of interactivity with a traditionally non interactive device (the TV).
Or perhaps how the simple games of the past helped spurn our own imagination in the same way a book can get us to visualize things that are not really there.
the guy was talking about he WANTS in games but wasn't really answering why we play games. and he wouldn't stop yelling the same point again and again. I would have kicked him off the mic, too.
heck, I suspect that for most people (not Gaffers, but the general public) gaming is just an entertaining and simple distraction and all the talk of feelings and emotions and epic experiences has as much meaning as Bobito's Bonerzz talk.
NullPointer said:For a guy who makes his living in the gaming business, he does seem to disdain anybody who thinks that gaming might be important.
LCfiner said:Man, I would not have expected such a sour reaction to how that super drunk dev was treated.
he kept repeating the same point again and again "it's about feeelings" but, really, how long have we had these epic games that attempt to evoke such emotions? Only recently.
Everyone in that recording room (and probably half of GAF) started gaming for other reasons. perhaps an obsession with technology or the thrill of interactivity with a traditionally non interactive device (the TV).
Or perhaps how the simple games of the past helped spurn our own imagination in the same way a book can get us to visualize things that are not really there.
the guy was talking about he WANTS in games but wasn't really answering why we play games. and he wouldn't stop yelling the same point again and again. I would have kicked him off the mic, too.
heck, I suspect that for most people (not Gaffers, but the general public) gaming is just an entertaining and simple distraction and all the talk of feelings and emotions and epic experiences has as much meaning as Bobito's Bonerzz talk.
The 'thrill of interacting' is what he was trying to talk about (at least one of his completely unfinished thoughts). He started off with big, obvious recent examples about the affect of the player and was trying, increasingly in vain, to bring it round to generalisations when he realised everyone misunderstood him (no wonder when he didn't get to finish a sentence without being interup-BONERZ!!). While it was clear, at least it seemed that, he was mish-mashing a load of conversations and thoughts he had in the past, I actually wanted to hear him out, let alone not listen to constant harrassing. Yes, everyone was drunk, I get it, but that doesn't mean the second half should have been put out.LCfiner said:Man, I would not have expected such a sour reaction to how that super drunk dev was treated.
he kept repeating the same point again and again "it's about feeelings" but, really, how long have we had these epic games that attempt to evoke such emotions? Only recently.
Everyone in that recording room (and probably half of GAF) started gaming for other reasons. perhaps an obsession with technology or the thrill of interactivity with a traditionally non interactive device (the TV).
This is actually an interesting point I was thinking about in the final 10mins. Are these explanations we have actually true reasons why we've kept playing and stayed interested since childhood, or are there more akin to after the fact justifications.Balb said:Yup, and children start reading because their parents force them to, and they watch tv because they see cute little cartoons on the screen. It doesn't matter why people start doing something, it matters why they continue to do so when they're older, at least in the discussion they were having.
LCfiner said:he kept repeating the same point again and again "it's about feeelings" but, really, how long have we had these epic games that attempt to evoke such emotions?
Robert Ashley said:Are you actually familiar with anything I do? Of course I think games are important.
The dude was SCREAMING the same shit over and over again, and it was ridiculous. What else could we do but laugh?
Robert Ashley said:Are you actually familiar with anything I do? Of course I think games are important.
eXxy said:srsly
yea but did u guys end up agreeing with his points?Robert Ashley said:Are you actually familiar with anything I do? Of course I think games are important.
The dude was SCREAMING the same shit over and over again, and it was ridiculous. What else could we do but laugh?
Yeah, the whole topic of discussion was just a "Not this shit again" for me. I don't tune in to listen to some guys explain the deeper meaning of games to me. I just want to hear about some shit they saw at GDC.Ysiadmihi said:"Why do you play games?"
Yeah that was a real fun listen.
NullPointer said:Not too familiar no - outside of some recent podcasts. I actually really dug what you had to say about Love, its creator, and the passion in the indy scene for example, so its not all negative. Although you seemed to be more interested in the chic party crowd and personal interest story angle than the games themselves.
For me, I could tell where the Scottish guy was coming from, as I've made the same points over drunken gaming rants myself - all he needed was about a solid minute to make his point and you guys could've gone from there.
But either way, you guys sounded like you were having fun - I was just hoping to hear people's answer to your question - it got way too chaotic and out of control, and didn't need to be the clusterfuck that it was. Makes for a fun time in person but a rambling and incoherent podcast.
I know you personally think games are important, but your friend was making that same point and you said they didn't matter compared to the economy and world events - well no shit. Hah. Of course they don't compare - but that doesn't mean that you can't see the potential for expanding games into more realms of emotion and feeling, instead of their current rut of ultra-violence one-upsmanship.