Azwethinkweiz
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I will have first pick.
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I will have first pick.
I'm awake now. Latest I can start is 9:30 am. Otherwise I'll be home tonight around 6.
CrimsonCommie
Member
Brent I can play after 5 or 6 central this evening.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
How do I have
GdamanQ as a friend AND GQman2121 (two separate people)
what sorcery is this, I just spent 15 minutes PM'ing the wrong dude
GdamanQ as a friend AND GQman2121 (two separate people)
what sorcery is this, I just spent 15 minutes PM'ing the wrong dude
Noboby draft Fernando Odom. I'm drafting him.
TheDrizzlerJ11
Member
Can u play?
I get back tomorrow at 10ish Pacific. I can do late on Monday or late on Tuesday. If you don't want to wait, feel free to play the CPU or sim win.
Packers play at 8 ET, probably not happening tonight.
TheDrizzlerJ11
Member
I forgot youre Pacific, lets just play late night tomorrow or the next.
Wow, I remember hearing that story about the AD trying to fuck victims of domestic violence while prosecuting their abusers back when it happened. That's crazy that it was the guy prosecuting the case. He seemed like a bit of a scumbag from the beginning, but more in an ego/hubris way.
I went back and read the article eznark posted now that I'm done with the series. Certainly plenty of valid points there and it's evident they held some stuff back for the documentary, but "Pornography was recovered in the Avery residence" might be the most desperate attempt I've ever seen at someone trying to make a point. Made me crack up reading that.
I went back and read the article eznark posted now that I'm done with the series. Certainly plenty of valid points there and it's evident they held some stuff back for the documentary, but "Pornography was recovered in the Avery residence" might be the most desperate attempt I've ever seen at someone trying to make a point. Made me crack up reading that.
I don't know what time zone you are! I could play right now...
Or tonight around midnight EST.
Yeah that almost made me not post it.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
there is some significant evidence against avery for sure, and ive said before i'm not 100% convinced he didn't do it, but if the requirement was beyond a reasonable doubt then i am 100% convinced the prosecution didn't meet that burden of proof
I don't remember, how long did the jury deliberate?
Something like 18+ hours I think it was.
Documentary said on first count at start of deliberation, a majority thought innocent but were persuaded over the next few days.
Edit: whether that's true or not, I'm not sure how they'd know.
This info came from one of the defense attorneys talking to Avery's parents. I don't remember what verbiage he used (or if it's even real), but since he's an attorney I'd believe he'd have said 'not guilty'.
I'm not watching that again to find out.
I'm in a similar camp. I could see him having killed her, but the police did so much fucked up shit it made it harder to believe any evidence they did have. It certainly didn't go down the way the prosecution initially proposed it did, I am pretty certain of that.
To be honest I had kind of a hard time of focusing about whether or not Avery did it, because as bad as everything that happened to him was, his got fucked nephew ten times as hard. I have my doubts on Avery, but I am pretty confident that Brendan Dassey was not involved and certainly didn't rape/kill her. The police take a 16-year-old, let's be honest here, retarded kid out of school and then interrogate him without his parents or a lawyer present and force an obviously false confession out of him. Then his state appointed attorney completely sabotages his case and conspires against him to make him plead guilty. Now he's sitting in jail for potentially the rest of his life. I was stunned and disgusted when they continued to prosecute (and convict) him even after they had already secured the guilty verdict for Avery.
I think it was 20+ hours of deliberation over several days. The initial count was 3 guilty, 7 not guilty, 2 undecided if I remember correctly. They knew the count because they talked extensively with that juror that was dismissed from the case a few hours into the deliberations. He indicated he thought several members of the jury were biased from the start and didn't properly evaluate the evidence presented at the trial.
Not guilty, although if those people thought it was because he was innocent, they would not have stated that necessarily when saying what the count was.
One of the jurors was excused. He told them the majority thought not guilty in the beginning, but he noticed there were a few people who had a strong (biased) personality or whatever, and he thinks they are the ones that convinced everybody else to go with guilty.
Been talking to my mom about it this week. She's one of those housewives who always has msnbc or talk radio on 24/7. She was huge into that case. She said the time she was 90% sure he killed the woman and 75% sure he would be found not guilty.
Why was the juror dismissed?
That doesnt seem nearly long enough for a jury to swing completely the other way like that. Personal experience but on two domestice abuse juries with obvious and unanimous not guilty verdicts it took at least 3 hours just to go through each count and vote. Of course, we wanted free lunch too so we weren't too speedy.
Why was the juror dismissed?
That doesnt seem nearly long enough for a jury to swing completely the other way like that. Personal experience but on two domestice abuse juries with obvious and unanimous not guilty verdicts it took at least 3 hours just to go through each count and vote. Of course, we wanted free lunch too so we weren't too speedy.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
he had some family medical emergency or something
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Brady just probably tore a ligament or something
you'll find me in the bottom of a whisky bottle
you'll find me in the bottom of a whisky bottle
Yeah, apparently the judge had to hear is reason and declare that it was a big enough emergency to replace him. I think this happened during early deliberations?
I just found this gem: "Perhaps more to the point for Avery, the panel selected Friday includes a man whose son works for the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department and a man whose wife works for the Manitowoc County clerk of courts office. Avery, 44, is charged with killing 25-year-old photographer Teresa Halbach.
Those connections are significant because Avery claims that a vial of his blood was left unsecured in the clerk's office and that sheriff's deputies used it to plant his blood inside Halbach's vehicle."
In an article about the jurors @ http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/29326359.html
Like others have said I'm not sure that he didn't kill her, but everything else in the case is just too 'coincidental'. Mantiowoc's hands in everything one way or another, the vial, the situation with Brendan. Just lots of shit that jumps out at you. I read some where that the Mantiwoc PD has distanced themselves from the Sheriff's department or something. Apparently the prosecuting lawyers have had tons of people coming at them since the doc aired.
FrenchMovieTheme
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the funniest thing about ken kratz is his bullshit press conferences where he is "dumbfounded" by someone alleging corruption within the police force. come on dude
How DARE YOU say that these honest, upstanding, tax paying police officers would ever be involved in a case that's questionable. Police officers aren't human, they are the perfect, honest beings that we should all aspire to be. We can't put their integrity on trial.
This is outrageous!
I can never understand people that act like being a member of the courts or law enforcement makes you incapable of doing shady shit, or maybe not even shady, but just outright bubbling the entirety of your job. It seems like all of the above happened throughout by different individuals.
At least they didn't shoot any unarmed teens!
Yeah, their disgust and moral outrage at the defenses allegations was a ridiculous sentiment at the time, but it comes off as especially hilarious given the current climate.
That sort of self-righteous disgust happens any time someone criticizes police misdeeds. I watched an interview with the Cleveland Police Union rep in the wake of Cleveland players criticism of the Tamir Rice case. The sort of Orwellian double-think that bootlickers employ is puzzling.
Azwethinkweiz
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I actually just finished the last episode. Holy fuck what a miscarriage of justice. I have no idea if he did it, but there was clearly plenty of reasonable doubt. Like AT, while the Avery case was sad, I was completely destroyed by Dassey somehow getting convicted with no physical evidence aside from a coerced confession, and then being DENIED three fucking times by the state for a retrial. That poor kid did absolutely nothing and will spend the rest of his life in prison (Yes, I know he'll get out when he's 58. I'm sure he'll be able to make up for lost time). The Wisconsin judicial system is a shit show.
The true question is will CB stoop so low to use the 49ers playbook next year?
Congrats on Kap
Would be the proper heel move.
He already uses a banned playbook, so I don't see why not.
Steelers/Bengals:
twitch.tv/bigehtee
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
QG said he would be on this morning to play
he was never seen ever again
rip
he was never seen ever again
rip
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
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can eznark name each of these dances that his Wisconsin brethren is doing here
The cracker jack