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Basileus777

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Edmond Dantès;41001725 said:
Interesting plot rumor that's popped up.

Well, he is a 'Necromancer'.
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This actually make some sense
as a way to tie the Necromancer plot line up with Smaug and the 5 armies, otherwise they'd feel very disconnected.
 
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Dmax3901

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Edmond Dantès;41001725 said:
Interesting plot rumor that's popped up.

Well, he is a 'Necromancer'.
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That seems very inconsistent not only with the book but with Jacksons original trilogy. In hindsight none of the characters mentioning
"Oh you know before he was the Great Eye of Sauron he was Smaug, but we killed Smaug and now he's an Eye."
will be very odd.

Another month for trailer 2? :(
 
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Starsunder

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Dmax3901 said:
That seems very inconsistent not only with the book but with Jacksons original trilogy. In hindsight none of the characters mentioning
"Oh you know before he was the Great Eye of Sauron he was Smaug, but we killed Smaug and now he's an Eye."
will be very odd.

Another month for trailer 2? :(
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Yeah that does seem like a pretty drastic addition to the battle. Having wargs attack the people on the way to Helms Deep? Ok, sure. Having
Sauron possess Smaug? Holy shit.
 
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Basileus777

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Starsunder said:
Yeah that does seem like a pretty drastic addition to the battle. Having wargs attack the people on the way to Helms Deep? Ok, sure. Having
Sauron possess Smaug? Holy shit.
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You have to tie the storylines together somehow, otherwise people would be wondering what the hell the Necromancer has to do with the main plotline of the Hobbit. When you start adding entire plotlines that weren't in the original novel, changes like this become inevitable.
 
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Loxley

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In terms of shear size and difference from the book, that is a huge change. However...I don't think its a completely terrible idea if Jackson is trying to better tie the films together.

I know I tend to be one of Jackson's biggest defenders around here and tend to promote optimistic view towards The Hobbit than most, but at this point? Honestly? Part of me is starting to not care if Jackson pleases the Tolkien purists at all anymore. Because he's not going to. There are some who will not be able to get past the fact that Legolas and Galadriel are in this, or that Kili doesn't have a blonde beard :p

Straight-up, I'm of the mind that if the film is good...then I'm not really bothered by how accurate it is to the source material. If that rumor is true but they make it work well and fit into the story cohesively without it coming off as ridiculous, then great.

Then again, I'm one of those people who felt that Zach Snyder's ending to The Watchmen actually made more sense than the one Alan Moore came up with in the actual graphic novel...so there's that.
 
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aceface

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That can't be right, as early in FotR it shows them
building Barad Dur...they can't have Smaug breathing fire into the top of the tower if it's not completed yet...unless its another tower.
 
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Cheebo

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Guys. This is just some "rumor" from a random poster on TheOneRing.net's forums. Not any sort of trustworthy source or website. No one there is really taking this guy seriously. The poster comes across like an idiot looking for attention to boot.

Calling it even a rumor is absurd.
 
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bengraven

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Cheebo said:
Guys. This is just some "rumor" from a random poster on TheOneRing.net's forums. Not any sort of trustworthy source or website. No one there is really taking this guy seriously. The poster comes across like an idiot looking for attention to boot.

Calling it even a rumor is absurd.
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BUT WHAT IF IT'S REAL
 
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Rootbeer

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I wouldn't freak out about that rumor. A lot changed between the filming and release of the LotR trilogy too. such as
Arwen being present at the battle of Helm's Deep. They even shot a ton of footage of her there. And Aragorn actually fighting Sauron at the end of RotK, which they changed to a Cave Troll and just CGI's over the actor playing Sauron. They could easily decide they don't like it or that it would garner too big of a backlash. Frankly I think it MIGHT be cool. I'm open to it.
 
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Connecting the Necromancer and Smaug has always been the most interesting obstacle of these films for me. I figured they would simply show an early White Council scene that stresses the importance of not letting the Necromancer and Smaug join forces, so the council would need to take of the Necromancer and Bilbo & Co. would need to take care of Smaug.

However, I think we all realize that both plot lines need to connect a little more closely than that. This rumor seems a little more out there than I would like, even though it would be cool to see in and of itself.
 
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Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
So, who else is buying the various artbooks and Hobbit related merchandise before the film releases in December.

The score will also be out before the 14 December.

Spoilers aren't a concern to people like me who have devoured all there is to know about Tolkien and the legendarium via the novels, letters, history series, academic papers, Tolkien Society, essays and further reading of books and myths that inspired Tolkien and the various Tolkien language sources out there and of course the Parma Eldalamberon and Vinyar Tengwar.


The Visual Companion, Official Movie Guide, Almanac, Movie Storybook, Activity Book, World of the Hobbits - will be released on 6 November.

The Hobbit: The Art of An Unexpected Journey and The Hobbit chronicles by WETA in mid December.

The score with a tentative mid November release as well.

Exploring J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Hobbit" by Corey Olsen will be released in September.

Second trailer in September and The Hobbit miniature action figures in October.

Shame that the The Hobbit Facsimile First Edition has been delayed until September 2013 though, would have been nice to have a first edition with the original 'Riddles in the Dark' chapter.
 
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Loxley

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Edmond Dantès;41064793 said:
So, who else is buying the various artbooks and Hobbit related merchandise before the film releases in December.

The score will also be out before the 14 December.

Spoilers aren't a concern to people like me who have devoured all there is to know about Tolkien and the legendarium via the novels, letters, history series, academic papers, Tolkien Society, essays and further reading of books and myths that inspired Tolkien and the various Tolkien language sources out there and of course the Parma Eldalamberon and Vinyar Tengwar.


The Visual Companion, Official Movie Guide, Almanac, Movie Storybook, Activity Book, World of the Hobbits - will be released on 6 November.

The Hobbit: The Art of An Unexpected Journey and The Hobbit chronicles by WETA in mid December.

The score with a tentative mid November release as well.

Exploring J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Hobbit" by Corey Olsen will be released in September.

Second trailer in September and The Hobbit miniature action figures in October.

Shame that the The Hobbit Facsimile First Edition has been delayed until September 2013 though, would have been nice to have a first edition with the original 'Riddles in the Dark' chapter.
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As an artist myself, I consider it my duty to pick up any and all artbooks/visual companions that are released for the films. My favorite to come come out of the LotR trilogy was Alan Lee's Sketchbook . I certainly hope we get one for The Hobbit films - maybe even include all of the 3D art that Lee and John Howe created.
 
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Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
More potential Hobbit spoilers via miniatures
"The Hobbit" - An overview of the figures
BY FLORIAN Breitsameter ⋅ July 9, 2012 ⋅ COMMENT LETTER
FILED UNDER Bilbo Baggins, SAME, Gloin, Hobbit, JRR TOLKIEN, THORIN OAK PLATE
J.R.R. Tolkien's children's book "The Hobbit" is set in Middle-earth 60 years before "The Lord of the Rings". This book describes how the Hobbit Bilbo Baggins, Gandalf the Wizard is an adventure with dwarves talking about - and what a find, he makes on this journey that changed him forever ...
Peter Jackson has extended the novel's action on two films, the first part of the title of "The Hobbit - an unexpected journey," and on 13 carries December 2012 will be released in Germany.



Bilbo Baggins
Like all hobbits Bilbo Baggins appreciates his comfortable life. It is equipped with a full pantry and a good book completely satisfied. When the wizard Gandalf shows up unexpectedly with 13 dwarves and asks him to accompany her on a dangerous adventure that will change Bilbo's life from scratch. He is initially skeptical, but because he is adventurous, he joins a group of Thorin Oakenshield and becomes the "master thief", they need to bring back a ferocious dragon to outwit and the stolen treasure of the dwarves. To everyone's surprise - including his own - to Bilbo turns out to be smarter and braver than the outward appearance would suggest.


GANDALF THE GREY
Gandalf is one of the most powerful wizard in Middle Earth. He participates in the mission to free the dwarf kingdom of Erebor and retrieve the vast treasure which is guarded there in stone halls of the fire-breathing dragon Smaug the Terrible. Gandalf the way evidence is that the world could be haunted by an ancient evil. To get to the truth of the matter, must leave his companions, Gandalf himself - his own path leads him into the darkest corners of Middle-earth, where he found his worst suspicions confirmed.


THORIN OAK PLATE
As a young prince dwarf Thorin has witnessed the terrible devastation that has brought a fire-breathing dragon on the dwarf kingdom of Erebor. No one stood in the surviving dwarves - so had the once proud and noble people go into exile. During the long years of misery Thorin into a strong, fearless fighter and revered leader is grown. In his heart grew, the burning desire to win back his homeland and destroy the beast, which is responsible for the plight of his people.


Balin
Balin is a noble dwarf and one of the oldest members in the dwarf host. By nature wise and gentle, he had to get used to a military life, as he hovered constantly in danger. As a close cousin of Thorin Oakenshield he is one of the closest and most trusted advisers. But deep in his heart to ask the wisest and most faithful of the dwarves, whether it is wise to try to reclaim the Lonely Mountain.


Dwalin
The famous warrior Dwalin not keep his opinions to himself. Anyone who tries to defeat it should be on guard. Unshakable, he believes in Thorin's leadership. The powerful, gruff warrior can dish it and tends to distrust of all non-dwarfs - primarily the same. He is proud, brave and one of the largest dwarf - he orders only someone with whom he respected.


FILI
Fili is from the royal line of Durin and grew under the watchful eye of his uncle to Thorin Oakenshield. Fili and Kili, the brothers are among the youngest in the group of dwarves. Fili is hardly traveled - yet he has never seen the legendary city of Erebor dwarf. For the experienced fighters is the trip to the Lonely Mountain an exciting adventure - he can not imagine the least of the challenges and dangers await him.


KILI
Kili is Filis younger brother and nephew of Thorin Oakenshield faithful. The careless and even reckless Kili has been a charmed, carefree life out. He looks good, has strong muscles and with the invincible courage of the youth is well prepared. A capable fighter and an excellent archer, he is familiar with since his early childhood weapons. As one of the youngest in the crowd will dwarf Kili distinguish themselves and make an impression.


Bofur
The sympathetic Bofur has to give the terrible habit of self-evident by themselves - he babbles off without thinking. Bofur appreciates music and has a good singing voice thrilled for good food and good company, above all, he remains optimistic in every situation. He is not particularly brave, but everybody comes to the rescue when it is needed - above all, he supported his friends. With his brother and cousin Bifur Bombur he accompanied the companions to lonely mountain, because he wants to make his fortune. He has also heard that there is free beer.


Bifur
Bifurcations is from the west, and carries the rusted remains of a orc ax in his forehead. Since he can not speak anymore, and sometimes he is ruthless! He communicates only through grunts and hand signals. Unlike the other dwarves in the crowd he is not related to Thorin and it also came not from a noble race, but is a descendant of miners and blacksmiths - ordinary people with simple needs.


Bombur
Bofurs brother and cousin Bifurs is the chef of the dwarf host. His huge size and its voracious appetite often bring problems with it - but the tour group as he can laugh at it heartily. Although he's fat, he proves to be surprisingly agile fighter - woe to those that keep him from his dinner!


Gloin
Of all the fellows in the Dwarf throng that heading out to the Lonely Mountain, is the loudest and Gloin starrsinnigste - fearless, he is questioning all authority. He rushes to light, but it is strong, courageous and loyal. Gloin is one of the few married dwarves in the group (in principle, there is a lack of female dwarfs). His wife is a famous beauty with a very fine beard. Gloin is the proud father of a young son named Gimli, who becomes one of the famous Ring-Fellowship.


OIN
This courageous dwarf from the north, like his brother, a distant cousin of Gloin Thorin Oakenshield. They are members of Thorin & Co., because they feel obligated to their relatives, and because they have invested a considerable sum of money into the company. Oin is very well read, likes to present questions, is the healer of the crowd and even used it up mixed ointments.


DORI
Dori is distantly related to Thorin Oakenshield and the elder brother of Nori and Ori. Dori is the strongest dwarf in the crowd, and spends most of her time taking care of Ori, the youngest, so that is not cold or killed by the Orcs and Wargs. He is an eternal pessimist and always prepared for the worst - yet he is always ready to risk his life at risk in order to fulfill its mission.


NORI
Of all the companions in dwarf Thorin Oakenshield crowd Nori is most difficult to classify. Again and again he comes into conflict with the authorities dwarf. Because he holds it necessary to leave his residence, he is now ready to join the ride to the Lonely Mountain, because he does not understand that the problems lie ahead of him are much more serious than that which he wants to escape. No one really knows what Nori leads up to, except that it is risky and probably illegal. Dori, Nori and Ori hold unswervingly faithful together. Among themselves they are fighting continually, but alas, if anyone should dare to inflict any harm to one of the brothers!


ORI
The younger brother of Dori and Nori is artistically gifted - often we see how he draws or writes in his diary. Ori wrote a large part of the chronicle of a journey through wild country to the shores of Long Lake and the slopes of Lone Mountain. Ori is polite, well educated and accustomed to being pushed around by his older brother Dori. Normally, he is docile, but sometimes he surprised his companions by his courage and his determination.


Radagast the Brown
Radagast is forgetful acts, scattered light and very eccentric. He talks a lot better with animals than with people. As a magician colleague and friend of Gandalf the Grey Radagast is one of the guardians of the great forests of Middle-earth. Often you meet him on his walks through the woods near his strange little house called Rhosgobel. The little magician senses impending doom, because not everything is as it should be in the dark corners of Mirkwood.


Saruman the White
The venerable and mighty Saruman, with four other magicians to the Guardians of Middle Earth that will help the world of order and balance. Above all, Saruman the fate of the free nations arranged according to his discretion. As head of the White Council, he fears with growing unease that Gandalf the Grey and Thorin Oakenshield could mess up his careful calculations companions. Saruman is indeed very old and wise out there, but according to its underlying weakness, and lusts for power - a greed that ultimately produce the most deadly of all Covenants.


ELROND
Elrond is one of the oldest and wisest Elves, who still live in Middle Earth. He is the Lord of Rivendell, the last homely house east of the Sea. Thorin & Co. maintained only briefly in Rivendell, Elrond offers but Bilbo and the dwarves and lodging. The dwarves have a natural aversion to the same, but the means to take a call. Elrond responded warily to the project while the dwarves to reclaim their stolen treasure, but he gives those secret information that Gandalf and Thorin need to reach the Lonely Mountain.


GALADRIEL
Galadriel is the oldest of the remaining elves in Middle-earth and has the gift of Providence. As the signs are increasing that Middle-earth threatens disaster, they secretly supported Gandalf in his mission to track down the cause of the problem. Galadriel is known of course that the Fellowship must succeed if the evil power can not win the upper hand and dominate the darkness does not want anything.


Thranduil
The mighty Elf-lord and legendary warrior Legolas Thranduil's father. As king, he rules over forest land to the north of a large forest area, once known as the Green Forest and now bears the ominous name of Mirkwood. During the long years of darkness Thranduil has increasingly isolated from the outside world - he cares only about his own people. An ancient, bitter feud has discharged meant that he basically rejects all dwarves - and especially a certain dwarf, namely Thorin Oakenshield.


Legolas
Legolas is the Prince of the forest land and a high empire same as his father Thranduil. However, you meet him often at the royal court - much rather he patrols the area with the forest guards of the same troops. The large narrow-savvy fighter is his father and his people, resulting in unconditional loyalty. But the events of the outside world behind now and in the isolated world of forest elves left their mark. Because he sees the disaster coming, Legolas faces the choice of either his father or his conscience to follow.


TAURIEL
A native of the Mirkwood Waldelbin is as dangerous as well. As a protégé of King Thranduil and commander of the Forest Land Protection Tauriel troops is very opinionated and passionate about representing what she thinks is right. The great warrior proved to be the use of her two daggers and bows and arrows. As Legolas in Tauriel turns in the battle to be extremely quick and agile. She has lived for hundreds of years in Middle-earth, but still one of the youngest of the same people, and has rarely ventured out of the great forest.


TROLLS
Tom, Bert and William are trolls who have settled in the Trollshaws and pillage everything and eat whatever they cross paths. As Thorin & Co. inadvertently disturb their evening meal, capture the trolls Bilbo and the dwarf band and make immediately began to process them to a banquet - they have no idea that Bilbo and his friends will hardly accept this without a fight.


ORK-KING
The Orc King is a huge, grotesquely bloated monster that is in the years of his tyrannical rule over the miserable inhabitants of the Orc town grown fat and flabby. The orc city is a collection of hovels askew deep in the caves of the Misty Mountains. He commanded a bunch of spoiled, contaminated, with scars and ulcers studded orcs. Basically, they are bandits, they live by what they can pick up the passengers on the passes through the mountains. It manages the Orc King and his followers, Bilbo and the dwarves to capture. The Großork is smarter and smarter than it seems. He takes pleasure in torturing his prisoners - it almost succeeds in making Oakenshield Thorin and his companions to finish off.


GRINNAH
Grinnah is the interrogator of the Orcs. He ensures that Thorin & Co. are brought before the Großork. He constantly wears a reinforced barbed whip and takes every opportunity to use it. Although cunning and vicious, he is like all Orcs basically a coward. Fawning and obsequious, he serves his master, the rich and moody Großork, but secretly he despised him.


Azog
It was said that the molester was Azog many years ago, fell in the great battle between the Orcs and the Dwarves. But now he appears at the top of a deadly horde of killer orcs again. For Gandalf begins a race against time because he has to figure out where the connection between the dangerous orc commander and the growing evil, which takes in the ruins of the fortress of Dol Guldur forms. One thing is abundantly clear: no one is deterred from his purpose Azog, Thorin Oakenshield destroyed to the last dwarf companions.


Fimbul
The most cruel orc Fimbul among Azogs champion hunters. He commanded a horde of warg riders who trace their victims in the saddle of their gigantic wolf beasts. Fimbul has taken up the scent of Thorin Oakenshield & Co. and will catch the dwarves before they reach the Lonely Mountain.


BLOG
Bolg is the offspring of Azog the Defiler - like his father, he is a paler giant orc. He is the overseer in the dungeons of Dol Guldur - torture is his hobby. His armor he polychrome from the bones and the blood of his victims. This husky Orc has at nothing and no one fears - until he suddenly meets an unexpected opponent.


GOLLUM
Gollum was once a Hobbit-like creature named Smeagol - body and soul have been poisoned by a small, plain gold ring, which he hid in a cave düsternen the Misty Mountains. Gollum does not know what is going on with "his treasure" - but he realizes that he is more valuable than his life. After the chance encounter with a strange enemy Gollum realizes that he has lost "his treasure", and rightly concludes: The hobbit Bilbo Baggins of the Shire has stolen it. So begins the hunt over mountains and through deserts, take years and cost many lives, until this miserable creature, finally, the fate of Middle-earth holds in his hand.


Beorn
The giant Beorn is the last of the ancient people of the skin changer: He can transform into a huge bear-like creature. He lives alone, only tolerate the company of his beloved animals and appreciate any visitors - especially not dwarfs. Gandalf knows that they take the risk and Beorn companions have to ask for help, because otherwise they will survive their journey through wild country barely.


ADLER
The ancient Great Eagles of the Misty Mountains are huge birds of prey, which the prince Gwahir, Lord of the winds above,. The wild and dangerous animals are owed nothing to anyone. Just because they hold true to Gandalf, Bilbo and giant birds come to the aid of the dwarves in order to save the last minute from the clutches of a deadly enemy.


Wargs
The huge, fierce, wolf-like monsters are among the most fearsome predators in the whole of Middle-earth. The Orcs grow the Wargs to hunt in packs and often ride on their backs in the battle. The most dangerous of these beings is the White Warg, a giant wolf, the Azog the large, pale Orc riding the abuser.


GIANT SPIDERS of Mirkwood
In the course of many years, giant spiders in the once peaceful green forest and nestled helped that he got the weird name Mirkwood. It is believed that these creatures are the offspring of monstrous Krankra the Great. They feed on hapless travelers, the agreement in the forest from the right path. But the big catch as a dwarf spider in its web host, they suddenly get it with an unusual, unseen opponents do, its sting is even greater than her own!
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Loxley

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Those descriptions also make me wonder if they're simply going to refer to the Goblin King and Goblin-Town as The Orc King and Orc Town. This would fit more with LotR, since I think the only time in the films they're referred to as Goblins is when they first enter Moria and Legolas looks at an arrowhead and says "Goblins!".

Even though I guess technically Goblins are considered to be smaller Orcs, I can see why they'd just do away with the semantic differences and just call them Orcs.

Edmond Dantès;41071644 said:
Azog's description is interesting and points to more necromancy from Mr Necromancer.
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A lot of the rumors lately have pointed to The Necromancer playing a much larger role in the films than he ever did in the book. I'm curious if PJ would go so far as to have
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show up at some point (potentially in a flashback). If he's looking for a major way to connect The Hobbit and the LotR trilogy, delving into Sauron's back story more and playing up his significance in The Hobbit is a sure-fire way to do it.
 
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sc0la

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Loxley said:
Those descriptions also make me wonder if they're simply going to refer to the Goblin King and Goblin-Town as The Orc King and Orc Town. This would fit more with LotR, since I think the only time in the films they're referred to as Goblins is when they first enter Moria and Legolas looks at an arrowhead and says "Goblins!".

Even though I guess technically Goblins are considered to be smaller Orcs, I can see why they'd just do away with the semantic differences and just call them Orcs.



A lot of the rumors lately have pointed to The Necromancer playing a much larger role in the films than he ever did in the book. I'm curious if PJ would go so far as to have
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show up at some point (potentially in a flashback). If he's looking for a major way to connect The Hobbit and the LotR trilogy, delving into Sauron's back story more and playing up his significance in The Hobbit is a sure-fire way to do it.
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Could be a translation thing. But there are clear distinctions between Goblins and orcs in the LoTR films. The two fighting over merry and pippen before they escape in TTT comes to mind.
 
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Loxley

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sc0la said:
Could be a translation thing. But there are clear distinctions between Goblins and orcs in the LoTR films. The two fighting over merry and pippen before they escape in TTT comes to mind.
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Good point, wouldn't surprise me if that's what it is.
 
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I read the book in middle school but don't really remember the details, you guys recommend re-reading, or just waiting at this point? I feel like if I just watch the movies now, any changes PJ make won't bother me as much.
 
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Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
Red_Man said:
I read the book in middle school but don't really remember the details, you guys recommend re-reading, or just waiting at this point? I feel like if I just watch the movies now, any changes PJ make won't bother me as much.
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If you want a better appreciation of the story and something to compare Peter's adaptation to, then read The Hobbit beforehand. If you just want to experience everything as anew, then just wait for the films and read the book afterwards (although that would entail waiting almost 3 years to read the book).
 
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Chuckie

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Yeah always been confusing. This is what Tolkien had to say:

Orc. This is supposed to be the Common Speech name of these creatures at that time; it should therefore according to the system be translated into English, or the language of translation. It was translated 'goblin' in The Hobbit, except in one place; but this word, and other words of similar sense in other European languages (as far as I know), are not really suitable. The orc in The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion, though of course partly made out of traditional features, is not really comparable in supposed origin, functions, and relation to the Elves. In any case orc seemed to me, and seems, in sound a good name for these creatures. It should be retained. It should be spelt ork (so the Dutch translation) in a Germanic language, but I had used the spelling orc in so many places that I have hesitated to change it in the English text, though the adjective is necessarily spelt orkish. The Grey-elven form is orch, plural yrch.

I originally took the word from Old English orc [Beowulf 112 orc-nēas and the gloss orc-þyrs ('ogre'), heldēofol ('hell-devil')]. This is supposed not to be connected with modern English orc, ork, a name applied to various sea-beasts of the dolphin order.
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agrajag

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Uruk Hais to be more precise. There are Uruks of Mordor.

edit: some orcs from Isengard were referred to as goblins in TTT iirc. The words goblin and orc are pretty much interchangeable.
 
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Starsunder

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Ummm, who's
Krankra the Great?
I don't recognize the name. Was that in the appendices? I thought the
spiders were the offspring of Shelob?
 
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Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
Starsunder said:
Ummm, who's
Krankra the Great?
I don't recognize the name. Was that in the appendices? I thought the
spiders were the offspring of Shelob?
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Seemingly a made up character or just the German for 'Shelob'. I'd go with the latter.

And you're absolutely right about the spiders of Mirkwood and their origins and Shelob's who was a child of Ungoliant.
 
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Starsunder

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Edmond Dantès;41091681 said:
Seemingly a made up character or just the German for 'Shelob'. I'd go with the latter.

And you're absolutely right about the spiders of Mirkwood and their origins and Shelob's who was a child of Ungoliant.
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Yeah that would make sense I suppose.

Man, I'm getting really antsy for the trailer.
 
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Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
SiegfriedFM said:
Wait, is
Bolg
in Dol Guldur in this adaptation? Does that mean that Gundabad is completely removed?
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He seems to be in the service of The Necromancer, although Gundabad may still be featured or mentioned in passing.

As Loxley mentioned earlier, it's looking likely that The Necromancer's influence will be more far reaching than in the book and his role expanded a great deal.

It's also likely that The Necromancer will be featured in all three films as a sort of 'in the shadows' antagonist just like in The Lord of the Rings and Smaug will have a similar role to that of Saruman's in The Two Towers and there may be a 'Lurtz' (Saruman's chosen Uruk-hai who kills Boromir) type of antagonist in An Unexpected Journey.

When looking at all six films together as a series, it may well seem like the
rise and fall of Sauron
when all is said and done.

Bit much if you ask me. I know which Dark Lord I'd prefer to see given that much time. The original and mightiest Dark Lord.

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Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
Tolkien to have a crater on Mercury named after him.
The International Astronomical Union (IAU) recently approved a proposal from the MESSENGER Science Team to assign names to nine impact craters on Mercury. The IAU has been the arbiter of planetary and satellite nomenclature since its inception in 1919. In keeping with the established naming theme for craters on Mercury, all of the newly designated features are named after famous deceased artists, musicians, or authors or other contributors to the humanities.

"All of the nine newly named craters are located in Mercury's north polar region, and MESSENGER team members and collaborators who are researching this area contributed the proposed names," explains Mercury Dual Imaging System Instrument Scientist Nancy Chabot, of the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Maryland. "Mercury's north polar region is of high scientific interest because of the shadowed craters there that host radar-bright deposits that may consist of water ice. All of the nine newly named craters host such deposits."

The newly named craters are:

Egonu, for Uzo Egonu (1931-1996), a Nigerian-born painter who at 13 was sent to England to study art, first at a private school in Norfolk and later at the Camberwell School of Arts and Crafts. Exile, alienation, and the pain of displaced peoples were recurrent themes in his work.

Gaudí­, after Antoni Gaudí­ (1852-1926), a Spanish architect whose work concentrated largely on the Catalan capital of Barcelona. He was very skilled with ceramics, stained glass, wrought-iron forging, and carpentry and integrated these crafts into his architecture.

Kandinsky, for Wassily Kandinsky (1866-1944), a Russian painter and art theorist credited with painting the first purely abstract works.

Petronius, for Titus Petronius (c. AD 27-66), a Roman courtier during the reign of Nero. He is generally believed to be the author of the Satyricon, a satirical novel believed to have been written during the Neronian era.

Prokofiev, for Sergei Prokofiev (1891-1953), a Russian composer, pianist, and conductor who is considered one of the major composers of the 20th century. His best-known works include the ballet Romeo and Juliet -- from which "Dance of the Knights" is taken -- and Peter and the Wolf.

Tolkien, for John Ronald Reuel (J. R. R.) Tolkien (1892-1973), an English writer, poet, philologist, and university professor, best known as the author of the classic fantasy novels The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.

Tryggvadóttir, for Nina Tryggvadóttir (1913-1968), one of Iceland's most important abstract expressionist artists and one of very few Icelandic female artists of her generation. She primarily worked in painting, but she also created collages, stained glass work, and mosaics.

Qiu Ying, for Shifu Qiu Ying (1494-1552), a Chinese painter who specialized in the gongbi brush technique, a careful realist method in Chinese painting. He is regarded as one of the Four Great Masters of the Ming Dynasty.

Yoshikawa, for Eiji Yoshikawa (1892-1962), a Japanese historical novelist best known for his revisions of older classics including The Tale of the Heike, Tale of Genji, Outlaws of the Marsh, and Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
These nine newly named craters join 77 other craters named since the spacecraft's first Mercury flyby in January 2008.

"These latest names for major craters on Mercury are important for two reasons," adds MESSENGER Principal Investigator Sean Solomon of Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. "The first is that formal names make it easier to communicate scientific findings about specific regions and features. The second, equally important reason is that these designations expand the opportunities to recognize the contributions to the arts by the most creative individuals from many cultures and eras. The names of those individuals are now linked in perpetuity to the innermost planet."
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Edmond Dantès

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So, are there any characters from the legandarium that you'd like to see referenced or make an appearance in the trilogy? Glorfindel, Tom, Goldberry, Alatar, Pallando, Elladan, Elrohir, Cirdan, Celeborn, Erestor, Melkor, Hurin, Ancalagon, Scatha and Glaurung.

Gimli and Turin look like certainties now.

Glorfindel's continued omission is strange, I guess Peter, Fran and Philippa aren't to keen on an all powerful Elf Lord who would overshadow the lesser heroes of the Third Age.
 
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Edmond Dantès;41125107 said:
So, are there any characters from the legandarium that you'd like to see referenced or make an appearance in the trilogy? Glorfindel, Tom, Goldberry, Alatar, Pallando, Elladan, Elrohir, Cirdan, Celeborn, Erestor, Melkor, Hurin, Ancalagon, Scatha and Glaurung.

Gimli and Turin look like certainties now.

Glorfindel's continued omission is strange, I guess Peter, Fran and Philippa aren't to keen on an all powerful Elf Lord who would overshadow the lesser heroes of the Third Age.
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I'm interested in the Tolkien mythology and characters but honestly I think these movies allready seem to have enough side characters. I mean theres allready a good bunch and we have 13 friggin dwarves in the main group. I'd rather them have some extra time to really develop a personality than have more characters.
 
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Edmond Dantès

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Napalm_Frank said:
I'm interested in the Tolkien mythology and characters but honestly I think these movies allready seem to have enough side characters. I mean theres allready a good bunch and we have 13 friggin dwarves in the main group. I'd rather them have some extra time to really develop a personality than have more characters.
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None of the above would have speaking roles apart from maybe Celeborn and Gimli's cameo. But mentioning them during the narrative at certain points (White Council meeting, flashbacks etc) would be an effective way to flesh out Middle-earth and Arda as a whole.
 
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