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WaPo: Trump admin sought to block Sally Yates from testifying to Congress on Russia
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Felix Lighter
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It would be nuclear war. We successfully survived a 50 year cold war with the USSR. This isn't the point where we say fuck it, lets end the world.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yes. Do you really want to take up the neoconservative mantle?
Seriously. And this is why the Russia hype is so dangerous. It makes people think that Trump is a thin skinned warmonger while at the same time goading him into warring with Russia. That's a stupid plan.
Not necessarily what I meant. I meant more in the sense that if we find out that Russia and Trump colluded together to influence the election, then we kick Trump and his group out of power, the end result is that the next leadership might want to go after Russia in response for them trying to severely fuck up our democracy. Not necessarily that Trump himself would go to war with Russia. If our worst fears are actually confirmed the long-term concern is that war with Russia might happen once we clean up our own mess.
BlastProcessing
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It's a multifaceted process. The Senate can't prosecute, but the FBI can't effectively communicate with the public. An independent commission would take time to create. I think that the House should go ahead and make one because anything would be better than the tire fire that Nunes has cooking over there, but the Senate needs to move forward because they are our last chance to do something very important.
One of the reasons that big political stories take time is because it takes time for information to sink in to the public. This needs to be a measured and bipartisan process that slowly builds a fact based case to the public. Without the Senate approaching this soberly and professionally, people aren't going to accept any outcome from the FBI investigation.
Our democratic process was severely damaged here and the only way to stop that damage is for elected officials from both parties to take the lead hand in hand. That's something that an independent commission or a special prosecutor can't do.
Shadow Puppetry
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It's clear that Trump asked the Russian hackers to go after the deleted Clinton emails so it's certain he is involved.
The reality is that he can forever be remembered as being on the right side of history if it's on the scale of Watergate. And confer trust in the Republican party and future elections at the same time.
I think China is in on the industrial espionage, because they have the infrastructure to take advantage of the knowledge, whereas Russia does not, so for them it's more about the old school oil money and geopolitical interests.
ArkhamFantasy
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Is it possible to shut down russias internet without physically going into the country?
Felix Lighter
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The response will be severe sanctions and they would be sweeping and all of Europe would be on board. The US will not declare war on Russia unless Russia invades a NATO ally or attacks the US directly militarily.
Autoignition
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Sure, but it also invites them into attacking our power grids once they get back online.
Autoignition
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Take a few days off from politics if it's getting to be too much. This will take months, maybe years, and self-care is important.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
When they get enough evidence to do so.
BoogieWoogie
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I'd be shocked if he finished out the year to be honest.
LiquidSword
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Those were just "words" that's he "spoke." It was a tough campaign and people say stuff all the time. Libtards at it again!
fredrancour
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post you quoted says that came from Warner, who i think is the ranking dem on the committee
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
If that happened, I do not think it constitutes an act of war that requires a warlike response. There are other avenues of dealing with it that don't require military action. There's already enough conflict in the world as it is.
tedrotheredro
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smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
This says a lot since he came in 95, Think about how many things happened since then.
RustyNails
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Burr doesnt have to worry about re-election until 2022. He can shit on Trump without blowback and North Carolina is a swing state.
Thaedolus
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If the administration makes it a full year I'll be surprised. I think the IC, FBI and patriots in the senate are going to go for blood now they see how bad it is
RustyNails
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Nixon wasnt impeached until 2 years after the initial burgulary.
I've been waiting a while.
Considering the rate at which the current Trump/Russia investigation(s) are going I'm thinking it might not be a 2 year wait like it was for Nixon. I'm in the camp that will be a little surprised if Trump's administration makes it a year.
Beer Monkey
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There's also a lot of self-serving in Republicans eventually going after Trump once we hit the tipping point (we aren't there yet). They don't want to see the Democrats take the majority of seats in the next few years.
In all likelihood Democrats will take back at least the House in 2018.
An argument could be made that getting rid of trump now is like pulling the bandage off quickly rather than slowly and painfully.
Thaedolus
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There's that too, his approval rating is getting into the 20s would really shift a lot of Rs, but I bet he resigns before he's impeached
x24hrs2livex
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That was hilarious and accurate.
Autoignition
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On the one hand I don't see Trump resigning because that would be like quitting or admitting defeat in his eyes.
On the other hand I could see him resigning just so he says he was never kicked out of office
BoogieWoogie
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Imagine how bad he'll crater when he fucks up tax reform.
Information can be gathered and processed faster, but information can also be obscured and destroyed faster. So yes, the pace of this investigation is going to be quicker than Watergate. But there's still a human factor, so it's not going to be overnight.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
He will need to be dragged out with the people around him. Would be interesting to see the what if chance of Pence being part of it. Ryan being President and him losing his seat.
fredrancour
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i feel like there are plenty of narcissistic trains of thought that end in taking one's ball and going home.
"you don't deserve me"
"i didn't want this job anyway, i just wanted to make you all look dumb, and you're dumb, so there"
"there's nothing left of obama's to target, mission accomplished."
blaming the republican establishment for any evidence of collusion that's produced but claiming he's clean himself and that he wants nothing to do with them.
so many ways to make yourself the center of the universe while storming out.
Another factor to weigh in is how much evidence there is against Trump and his team. If there's a shitload of evidence against him compared to what was against Nixon, that would influence the speed of things too.
I'll be shocked if Pence is clean
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov...ssian-active-measures-and-influence-campaigns
Eugene Rumer
Director of Russia and Eurasia Program
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Roy Godson
Professor of Government Emeritus
Georgetown University
Clint Watts
Senior Fellow
Foreign Policy Research Institute Program on National Security
Kevin Mandia
Chief Executive Officer
FireEye
General (Ret.)
Keith Alexander
Chief Executive Officer and President
IronNet Cybersecurity
I would be too but still a what if chance of it.
Neuromancer
Member
"We invented you in Siberia, Case."
"What's that supposed to mean?"
"Screaming Fist, Case. You've heard the name."
"Some kind of run, wasn't it? Tried to burn this Russian
nexus with virus programs. Yeah, I heard about it. And nobody
got out."
He sensed abrupt tension. Armitage walked to the window
and looked out over Tokyo Bay. "That isn't true. One unit
made it back to Helsinki, Case."
Case shrugged, sipped coffee.
"You're a console cowboy. The prototypes of the programs
you use to crack industrial banks were developed for Screaming
Fist. For the assault on the Kirensk computer nexus. Basic
module was a Nightwing micro light, a pilot, a matrix deck, a
jockey. We were running a virus called Mole. The Mole series
was the first generation of real intrusion programs."
"Icebreakers," Case said, over the rim of the red mug.
"Ice from ICE, intrusion countermeasures electronics."
"Problem is, mister, I'm no jockey now, so I think I'll just
be going...."
"I was there, Case; I was there when they invented your
kind."
"What's that supposed to mean?"
"Screaming Fist, Case. You've heard the name."
"Some kind of run, wasn't it? Tried to burn this Russian
nexus with virus programs. Yeah, I heard about it. And nobody
got out."
He sensed abrupt tension. Armitage walked to the window
and looked out over Tokyo Bay. "That isn't true. One unit
made it back to Helsinki, Case."
Case shrugged, sipped coffee.
"You're a console cowboy. The prototypes of the programs
you use to crack industrial banks were developed for Screaming
Fist. For the assault on the Kirensk computer nexus. Basic
module was a Nightwing micro light, a pilot, a matrix deck, a
jockey. We were running a virus called Mole. The Mole series
was the first generation of real intrusion programs."
"Icebreakers," Case said, over the rim of the red mug.
"Ice from ICE, intrusion countermeasures electronics."
"Problem is, mister, I'm no jockey now, so I think I'll just
be going...."
"I was there, Case; I was there when they invented your
kind."
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I won't. Hoping Trump ends his term early is wishful thinking, and it takes away too much energy for actual thinking about how to deal with him.
All likelihood? Eh, it looks more like 50/50 at this point.
Anyone here watching the current season of Homeland? This is literally an arc in there. Apparently art is now imitating life at the speed of light.
BlastProcessing
Member
Looking at the people who are testifying, I think we will see some ground work laid on what Russia's techniques and goals have been in regards to election meddling. We will also hear a bit about their hacking abilities and what happened with the DNC.
Remember, their goal here is to build a story plank by plank from the very beginning. This first hearing will provide framing for future information.
Yeah a bit of optimism seeping in there.
Really hard to make definitive statements like that in today's climate. Shit is messed up.
DrROBschiz
Member
lol
Fuck you Mark Zuckerburg! You did nothing!
who owns twitter. lets yell at him to
Fuck you Mark Zuckerburg! You did nothing!
who owns twitter. lets yell at him to
DrForester
Kills Photobucket
I've been waiting a while.
This is as me as well. I'm not getting my hopes up for any meaningful consequences.
The biggest problem with going after the Trump administration with this is public perception of Trump's still going to have a lot to do with how well the case may go. Aside from when the investigation's finished, when do you go after it? After he's already made plenty of screw ups and more people have distanced themselves from him? Trump's clearly trying to keep his public perception as high as he can with his base holding rallies and such.
Yeah I would take a couple chill pills and turn off the TV for a while. Otherwise there is an incredibly historic and interesting process unfolding in front of our very eyes that we can watch as we continue to live our lives.
Its weird to see this sentiment when so much damage has already been done to trump
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