I'm not really following. The majority of the audience for GT6 probably use a controller, but that doesn't stop me plugging a wheel in and enjoying myself.
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Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G, out now for iOS (w/ controller & online multiplayer)
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Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Here's an idea: you can choose the way you want to play it as long as those input methods are supported regardless of its popularity!
Playing this game without tactile feedback is suboptimal
There's already files indicating it will probably come to the west.
DrROBschiz
Member
I want Expansion
Because right now I have to play MH4 on the 3DS. I would prefer more choices than that and more games.
Give me Portable 4th, 4G AND Frontier. Put them on everything.
CHOICE IS A GOOD THING guys
iOS gaming + monster hunter its the best of both worlds when it comes to port begging and starting shit in threads ;-)
Eteric Rice
Member
I dunno, not really a good idea to split the user base of an extremely social game.
DrROBschiz
Member
I mean if it stays IOS only at least I would theoretically have a cheap option to play with the next Apple TV (assuming its powerful enough)
Going Mobile is the most social platform in existence.
This is different because game design choices are tailored around the system - we already see that in the example above with a z lock battle mechanic. Even if the original gameplay survived through some menu choice, suddenly when you hunt online now you have to make sure you're hunting with someone who plays the same way as you.
Eteric Rice
Member
Fair enough.
I'd rather just no play it on a phone. Never feels right, and I've tried quite a few of these phone controllers.
infiniteloop
Member
That, and every iOS only thread devolves into Android port begging.
DrROBschiz
Member
Wait what?
It is literally the complete port of Unite and THANKFULLY they included controller and Online support
And heck even the Touchscreen controls seem somewhat well thought out (though undesirable)
That said playing Unite on a touchscreen may just be the hardest MH game ever created.
Totally WITH YOU man
I personally would rather have it on Vita myself (which I do have Unite on there and it plays beautifully)
But I do like the precedent. And having more options give me more opportunities to enjoy the awesome multiplayer with friends for cheap
For me its not just about touch screen controll always suck. It's good to see MHP2G is an excellent port from the impression so far, including the touch control. But we have to admit it that touch control is extremely limiting for game design. I hope that with a hunting action game like MHP2G, controller adoption for mobile device significantly increase so more games designed with controller support, if not with controller in mind. With that I can have peace with mobile replacing the handheld on the gaming scene.
For now, let us see if the touch screen can keep up with the game especially when it reach High Rank missions.
They've included genuine z targeting which makes the whole fighting system completely different and a) I'm afraid that would be the norm in a smartphone Monhun universe and b) if it's optional you can't really have a balanced hunt with someone who z-targets the monster.
You're missing the point. Imagine if mon Han 5 was designed primarily for iOS.
DrROBschiz
Member
I want to see more stuff like this take off
http://aethertechnician.tumblr.com/post/83141448363/flippypad-for-project-ara-have-you-heard-about
Or for Apple to make a gaming Flip phone ALA Xperia play
I think you worry too much
They already went down that road with Dynamic Hunting and failed miserably. If this takes off then it will only solidify their commitment to including the proper options and support
I think the mobile scene recognizes now that certain types of games just NEED controllers supported. Hence the infux of these types of products (and support for them) in this market
Not to mention the Unified support of accounts over several platforms (Iphone to Ipad to appletv etc..)
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Do please go on about how z-targeting will unbalance the game.
Yeah, another main problem developing a game for mobile is that they've to be tailored for various device with different spec. Even some games that released some months ago already unplayable on iPhone 4s IIRC. I think for once, mobile needs to stop releasing new hardware yearly.
That concept is good. The question is: how many developer will develop their games with that thing in mind?
You know as well as I do that devs design for the lowest common denominator. Yes, they will probably include controller support and what not but the base game is still being designed with the fact that most people using an iPhone wont have a controller in mind. This will undoubtably influence design decisions and game balance.
DrROBschiz
Member
What makes you think they dont just plan to keep porting the mainline titles and let the Console/Handheld lead the series? Seems like the cheap and easy tactics they love to employ
SIMPLE
Its already there. There is a lot of crossover in Mobile space and both Android and IOS already Natively support most controllers and many devs have taken gamepads into consideration for years already.
There were over 400 android games that had gamepad support. Many of which supported Xperia Play.
All that needs to be done is for Controllers to be GENERIC and Mappable. Much like it is on PC
You dont need to support every specific controller from the ground up. Just be able to allow the inputs to be mapped ingame.
Well you're not fighting on a level playing field anymore - someone would be able to hack n slash without thought while others would do the timing and targeting and dodging involved in regular MH fighting. I guess if you bring along a noob to the party they could more easily tag along then but it would disrupt the way you team together and fight now, anyway.
It's Capcom we talking about here. Let's us wait and see which MH5's platform ends up to.
I'm talking if they went iOS primarily or only, not that I think they will.
No lock-on has always been considered part of the game. Sometimes by elitist that
want to look down on others but mostly by people who actually like it.
Honestly I think having free camera makes things easier not harder. I know a lot of other hardcores wear "the claw" as a badge of pride but TBH I just think it's the best way of controlling MH. If any balance is being upset it's won't make the game easier IMO but I won't be against it if the option is there and people want to use it
DrROBschiz
Member
IOS exclusive would be VERY concerning thats true...
Isn't it just the Soft lock that was introduced in 3 Ultimate and 4?
I thought that it was widely accepted as an improvement at this point
I dunno it sounded like a hard lock to me but I can't view that webm file because I am on my phone
Also I find the nature of buying controller peripherals for my iPhone to be redundant especially if I can already play that same game on a console that has buttons inherently. Needless to say I'm out of the market for this particular port.
Correct those games allow you to center your camera towards the monster which is not the same as a hard lock on which is in this port.
From the webm that was posted, this has a genuine, full-on lock-on targeting system, which isn't anything like the target recenter that the 3DS games introduced.
DrROBschiz
Member
I am seriously hoping for a resurgence of a true Gaming phone with clever design, great specs and great battery all in a slim package.
A man can dream
Pretty sure thats going to make this game harder for some people.
Many monsters are armored in certain areas and require precise aiming
I dont think they changed the game to account for that
GhostTrick
Banned
You can set target camera to off, soft lock (3G/4/4G) or perma lock (newly introduced with this port).
test_account
XP-39C²
I havnt played the game, but it seems like a strange design choice that locking on would remove timing and dodging. I dont think thats the case. Locking on just mean that you dont have to move the camera manually, you still have to focus on timing and dodging (unless this iOS port does locking on in a whole different way).
DrROBschiz
Member
A perma lock means spacing and positioning are sort of done for you.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
This.
Though I'll admit it'll be great if they port over Portable 3rd to the iphone and the 3DS next.
Ah ok thanks Vuze. Assuming this is the same Vuze I gotta ask if you plan on showing some of this port off on your youtube channel? Could be interesting to just show off some if this stuff in more detail
If anyone can even get ahold of it at this point...
Of course, that won't help you out much when another monster shows up, which is why calls for a hard lock-on prior to this port seemed really silly to me. Having full camera control is pretty damn vital.
Not true IMO. If you don't have free control of the camera I think it actually makes it harder to find your footing. The only monsters this would really help against in MHFU would be Narga IMO
Yes, I'm planning to record some footage that shows off options etc. this evening now that I've gotten ~3h of gameplay time with this
Also editing a webm of the 3G-like targeting setting right now.
Cool, great to hear!Yes, I'm planning to record some footage that shows off options etc. this evening
Also editing a webm of the 3G-like targeting setting right now.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Oh, so you're just making guesses at how the game would play rather than actually making any definitive statements?
Judging by the fact that you completely failed to mention it at all I assume you haven't played God Eater, a hunting action game that features z-targeting. And you know what? It doesn't make a lick of difference at all. Not only ddoes the fixed camera when locked on make for awful precision movement, but since strategy evolves so quickly due to monsters speed you tend to be unable to retarget fast enough to adjust. I avoided using lock-on in GEB for these reasons.
Can't be that vital given that the series has been predominantly based on single stick handhelds.
The series started on the Ps2 the handheld games were expansions/spin offs with the exception of 4.
Okay, so targeting camera wrap up since there seems to be some confusion about this in the recent posts.
You can turn target assistance completly OFF if you so desire.
You can use MH3G/MH4-like soft lock by setting targeting camera type to "TYPE2" in-game. Focus on the boss by simply touching the screen once. (Demo: http://a.pomf.se/jdsdnr.webm)
You can use a hard lock that has been newly introduced to the series for the first time now by setting targeting camera type to "TYPE1" in-game. Activate it by touching the screen once. (Demo: http://a.pomf.se/huyhuq.webm)
You can turn target assistance completly OFF if you so desire.
You can use MH3G/MH4-like soft lock by setting targeting camera type to "TYPE2" in-game. Focus on the boss by simply touching the screen once. (Demo: http://a.pomf.se/jdsdnr.webm)
You can use a hard lock that has been newly introduced to the series for the first time now by setting targeting camera type to "TYPE1" in-game. Activate it by touching the screen once. (Demo: http://a.pomf.se/huyhuq.webm)
it helps for mobile i'm sure.
i cna't help but notice those look native vita resolution in screen size
I don't think I would recommend starting here... Not only is MHFU one of the most user unfriendly and difficult games out there (so much more than even modern MH in regards to user unfriendliness) but I can imagine playing it on a phone would work out that well
Of course if you only have an IPhone it could be an interesting place to start as long as you keep that stuff in mind
Well soft lock is a godsend there. I usually soft lock onto the monster and then quickly readjust to get a better view. When up close and attacking a can still swing the camera around to help me see and evade attack
I never played with the CPP and I actually don't mind it one bit