today has been a really fucking terrible day. I just... I want to do this.
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Bryan Fuller tweets that Netflix and Amazon have passed on picking up Hannibal
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today has been a really fucking terrible day. I just... I want to do this.
Bobby Roberts
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I think I said in one of these threads, but it kinda seemed like after the problems he had with the show this season, and the way everything was unfolding anyway - that he mighta been looking for the front door just as much as the network was. Especially since Red Dragon provides him an easy out. But he can't just SAY that (although he basically just did) at first.
3 is a magic number, after all. And one he's never gotten to before, anyway.
I would not be surprised if he's heard some shit somewhere from someone. Get American Gods up and running. Bail out. Find yourself in prime position to take on one of your all-time dream jobs with no ties or baggage.
he finally gets to showrun his Angela Bassett-led Star Trek show in 2017. Voila.
Sho_Nuff82
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I was eating a tuna melt when I opened this thread and this was my actual reaction.
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Femmeworth
Banned
He pulled a Whedon.
Nappuccino
Member
If Netflix or Amazon snaps this up in 2 years, I'll be fine. But I need to know they'll do this now.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Killing probably got at least twice the viewers on AMC.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Wildly different situations.
Nappuccino
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I'm pretty sure I said it before, but it's ironic that Hannibal probably would have had a better shot at streaming renewal had it been canceled sooner.
The licensing fee that NBC paid for the show was apparently dirt cheap. The biggest obstacles for anyone renewing the show is that Amazon has streaming exclusivity and that Fuller would be unable to start production until next year, which would mean S4 couldn't happen until 2017 at the earliest. Even with the show's low cost, that's a lot of hoops to jump through for something that has a very tiny audience.
Candeldandel
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Mr. Pointy
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Fuller you crazy beard fox man.
Monocle
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WTF, wow. American Gods should die so Hannibal can live.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
So what was all that bullshit in the S2 wrap up about how they couldn't wait to do Red Dragon/Silence/Hannibal through 7 seasons? Why would you make that promise if you knew you weren't coming back?
Leona Lewis
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DarkJediKnight
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Disappointed.
Not a fan of S3 at all. I have to believe it was a big factor in the viewership declining.
Not a fan of S3 at all. I have to believe it was a big factor in the viewership declining.
dark_inferno
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Instead of giving the show away he wanted the studios to wait until he continues with the show?
Wow
Wow
Ninja Scooter
Member
Better to burn out than to fade away
Psychoward
Banned
and if he gave it away people would be claiming crap about how he betrayed his artistic integrity
lose/lose for him really
It definitely fits their brand, but it's insane to expect that any network would wait a year for this. Really disappointing all around :-(
I dunno, theres definitely something off about this Season. It just is paced so badly and it seems waaaay too far out there.
Too much Ambiance and not much Substance. I get there's a ton of symbolism in every shot, but its entertainment value is lessened by how much of it there is that it becomes dull and plodding and almost pretentious
Shame because I loved Seasons 1 and 2. But if this was how things were going for S3 and how it ends then it softens the blow somewhat.
I also wasn't a fan of the big "Red Dinner" and everyone except Abigail living.
Too much Ambiance and not much Substance. I get there's a ton of symbolism in every shot, but its entertainment value is lessened by how much of it there is that it becomes dull and plodding and almost pretentious
Shame because I loved Seasons 1 and 2. But if this was how things were going for S3 and how it ends then it softens the blow somewhat.
I also wasn't a fan of the big "Red Dinner" and everyone except Abigail living.
Yeah, I imagine this will scare off other networks that may have wanted to pick up as well. I mean I can understand that he's committed to AG and that it's already underway, but putting Hannibal on the backburner like this when it's at its apex in quality is not cool.
Then again, I might be totally wrong. We don't really have all the details and there might be more going on, but still this SUCKS. I'm not sure I want to see the show go out on the Red Dragon arc. I was looking forward to seeing Hannibal's true 'end'. I see this as the definitive interpretation of Hannibal, and I feel it deserves a proper ending and not one that can be seen as a neat seugway into Anthony Hopkins' portrayal in SOTL.
No one else will get this, but this is a great parallel.
My problem with this season of Hannibal is that it (so far) lacks the mixture of entertainment AND artistry that has allowed other shows (and the series, previously), to reach such heights. It's breaking new ground in terms of the vocabulary for a primetime series, which is wonderful, but it's also making many of the mistakes that can befall visual art that dips too far into Art. At some point, there needs to be a pulse within the series in order to keep your audience (and your fans) there week after week. You don't need likable characters, or a MURDER, and you can do a character piece (many series do), but it has to be engaging. Hannibal is not engaging. In fact, it's doing everything it can not to engage with its audience, which is both admirable and frustrating.
Weirdly, having a procedural element to the show alleviated a lot of the problems I'm having with this season, because it at least allowed the show to tread more well-worn ground as it pivoted towards its more lofty ambitions. In season 3, there's nothing. No spine.
Seeing Fuller (sort of) torpedo Hannibal is sad because I wonder if they would've figured out this new-found path by the time season 4 rolled around. Or not.
If Fuller says he's still exploring possibilities, I believe him. I know they have a Comic-Con panel coming up, I'm interested to hear what they say there.
Netflix was never going to happen with the rights to seasons 1-3 at Amazon. That was a pipe dream. Amazon passing is a crushing disappointment, but it had also been said that the international studio that produces the show would prefer it on an actual tv channel over streaming, so that was iffy too.
I will say that all the "show is too arty/show has gotten too weird this season" talk is extremely annoying IMO. Too artistic is an insult? What else on network television in 2015 has any shred of aristry in it at all? We've got generic crappy sitcoms #1 through 500, generic crappy cop shows, generic crappy soap operas. God forbid one show on a major network attempt to go in the other direction.
If this is the end, I say thanks for 3 fantastic seasons. It's nice we got a full prequel to the novels/movies I guess.
If season 4 gets made I'm there. Anytime, anywhere.
Netflix was never going to happen with the rights to seasons 1-3 at Amazon. That was a pipe dream. Amazon passing is a crushing disappointment, but it had also been said that the international studio that produces the show would prefer it on an actual tv channel over streaming, so that was iffy too.
I will say that all the "show is too arty/show has gotten too weird this season" talk is extremely annoying IMO. Too artistic is an insult? What else on network television in 2015 has any shred of aristry in it at all? We've got generic crappy sitcoms #1 through 500, generic crappy cop shows, generic crappy soap operas. God forbid one show on a major network attempt to go in the other direction.
If this is the end, I say thanks for 3 fantastic seasons. It's nice we got a full prequel to the novels/movies I guess.
If season 4 gets made I'm there. Anytime, anywhere.
@ivysaur12
That's a totally fair assessment. This is definitely hard to get into, and the first season was when it was most approachable. I tried getting my friends to watch and while some did, others quit after an episode or two because it just got too weird and hard to follow. These same people also watched Dexter in its entirety and loved it for the most part. While Hannibal is easily better than Dexter, that show at least knew that the procedural element makes things easy for viewers to follow the story at their own pace, while at the same time growing characters and advancing the core arc.
And I do agree that Hannibal's artsy approach to Murder-mystery/Serial Killer drama is its greatest strength as well as its greatest weakness. It'll definitely befuddle a lot of viewers that just want to see cool shit happen.
That's a totally fair assessment. This is definitely hard to get into, and the first season was when it was most approachable. I tried getting my friends to watch and while some did, others quit after an episode or two because it just got too weird and hard to follow. These same people also watched Dexter in its entirety and loved it for the most part. While Hannibal is easily better than Dexter, that show at least knew that the procedural element makes things easy for viewers to follow the story at their own pace, while at the same time growing characters and advancing the core arc.
And I do agree that Hannibal's artsy approach to Murder-mystery/Serial Killer drama is its greatest strength as well as its greatest weakness. It'll definitely befuddle a lot of viewers that just want to see cool shit happen.
I'm an artist myself, but art that strives to be an entertainment medium has to....well..."entertain". And thus far the current Season to me has been missing the mark in that regard. I would wish there could be a nice middle ground between artistic tedium and generic crappy-by-the-numbers procedurals.
I also agree with IvySaur's assessment. This Season has focused way too much on artistry it has forgotten to entertain. It needs to be engaging and keep people coming back for more. Granted, I am coming back for more, but this season it's more out of hope that things will get better rather than eagerly looking forward to what is next. And that is a significant departure from my feelings of the previous Seasons.
Fair enough I guess. Personally I think the first 5 episodes of season 3 have been more "entertaining" than the first 5 episodes of season 1 (and a bit less so than the same stretch of season 2). I have loved every season though.
I'm sobbing
Opus Angelorum
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The show was too clever and subtle for the average American viewer.
Shame on you.
Shame on you.
Candeldandel
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This is why I love season 1 so much. I do miss the procedural parts of the show. Even if it's only there to give us some stable footing with familiar developments and lovable, funny characters to alleviate the heavy content (I miss Zeller & Price... like, a lot), it helps with all the weird artsy stuff.
Still love the weirdness, though...
Still...
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Marc
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So Fuller is to blame in the end, its like finding out this trusted professional is actually an insane cannibal. Trying to go for the more Ouroboros angle I guess.
I really didn't like the procedural stuff from season 1, villain of the week is done with, I expect an actual story now. The end of S1 and S2 gave us that. So far S3 has been pretentious twaddle but last two episodes have picked up some steam. Although I still
Curious about American Gods but think Gaiman is massively overrated as a writer beyond a few good things like Books of Magic, some Miracleman stuff and bits of Sandman (again, pretentious, Mike Carey did a much better job with that universe). Now more inclined to skip, until a 4th season is greenlit at least.
Watch some shows you may have missed that are better, like Rome, Carnivale and Spartacus. All fairly short, two cancelled but wrapped up nicely so not too bad.
I really didn't like the procedural stuff from season 1, villain of the week is done with, I expect an actual story now. The end of S1 and S2 gave us that. So far S3 has been pretentious twaddle but last two episodes have picked up some steam. Although I still
find Will Graham to be more incompetent every episode and not a match for Hannibal in any sense. Plus the whole infatuation with him is waaaay overdone, like a school boy gay crush or something. Becoming beyond stupid. Hopefully The Fishbourne Identity has kicked things off now.
Curious about American Gods but think Gaiman is massively overrated as a writer beyond a few good things like Books of Magic, some Miracleman stuff and bits of Sandman (again, pretentious, Mike Carey did a much better job with that universe). Now more inclined to skip, until a 4th season is greenlit at least.
Watch some shows you may have missed that are better, like Rome, Carnivale and Spartacus. All fairly short, two cancelled but wrapped up nicely so not too bad.
Miles Quaritch
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Bobby Roberts
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Honestly, I want to see how season 3 ends before I want there to be more. I know they wrapped filming way before the cancellation announcement but I'm curious to know what direction they were heading.
I'm fiercely against something great going on forever just because it can. (Insert Simpsons reference here).
I'm fiercely against something great going on forever just because it can. (Insert Simpsons reference here).
Given how Fuller has said that he liked making the show more indulgent, pretentious, arty -- all his words! -- this season, I think it's fair to say that S4 would definitely traveled down that rabbit hole even further.
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