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[Humdinger]

I should add in response to another poster who asked why should we care about the behaviour of Resetera, if they choose to be a safe space we should let them be that thing. To which my answer is safe for whom exactly? Its not like they'd never ban a trans-person, PoC, for wrong-think is it

I think you're referring to me? If so, I wasn't saying "why should we care." I was suggesting we not take it so seriously. I was suggesting that we laugh at it, rather than get outraged about it. Responding to unreasonable outrage with more outrage is just ramping up the outrage in an age already filled with outrage. I'm suggesting lightening up, not taking it so deadly seriously, remembering that we're talking about a videogame forum. Let's not get infected by the same disease of terminal seriousness.

As for my comment about "if they want to create a SJW/PC safe space, that's up to them," you are just repeating my point. That's the definition of a PC/SJW safe space. Certain opinions and discussions aren't allowed. What I'm saying is, if that's the culture they want to create, that is entirely within their rights. And we have the right to leave and make fun of what idiots they are.

[....] Why should I not disdain them? What's their saving grace? That they aren't Stormfront?

You're free to disdain them. I disdain them, too. I just don't take it that seriously.

 

[Revolutionary]

(stolen from Reddit)

 

[Dynasty8]

In regards to the whole Battlefield V thing, I really don't see the big deal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there were women who did enlist and fight during WWII. Had this been about WWI, then I would understand the argument since there isn't ANY record of women who were enlisted (to my knowledge). I do believe authenticity is VERY important when it comes down to all forms of media/entertainment and it does add to the overall quality for many people.

I am someone who is all for diversity, as long as it makes sense.

I'm glad that we can have a civil and thoughtful conversation about this here instead of being automatically labeled as a racist, sexist, bigot and get banned immediately.

 

[Alebrije]

These days are so polarized that developers should go radio silence until releasing a game, it seems no matter what you say there will be always a group exposing you “atrocities”.

CDPR is a great developer and it’s hard to think they wanted to affect a group , but a simple joke evolved at inquisition levels.

(stolen from Reddit)

Yep

 

[WorriedCitizen]

So i heard about this yesterday but didn't really look into it because nowadays whenever i hear that someone got offended by something on the internet i consider it a waste of my time. But today i saw how much it has blown up and checked what was causing the drama.
I don't get it how we got to this point where a lighthearted tweet like this causes such an uproar. It's a bit scary. I think the people who get or pretend to be offended by it have some deeply authoritarian ideas about how society should work in their heads. I hope they never get into a position where they have power over the lives of others. CDPR shouldn't have apologized to them because this shit needs to stop.

 

[Dunki]

In regards to the whole Battlefield V thing, I really don't see the big deal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there were women who did enlist and fight during WWII. Had this been about WWI, then I would understand the argument since there isn't ANY record of women who were enlisted (to my knowledge). I do believe authenticity is VERY important when it comes down to all forms of media/entertainment and it does add to the overall quality for many people.

I am someone who is all for diversity, as long as it makes sense.

I'm glad that we can have a civil and thoughtful conversation about this here instead of being automatically labeled as a racist, sexist, bigot and get banned immediately.

On some sides especially on the resitance site they were women yes but this was never the problem with BFV. The problem was that the representation was ridiculous. No one would have complained if they had used realistic female characters and nto some sniper with a prostetic Arm as sniper like Ljudmila Michailowna Pawlitschenko

This did not looke like WW2 but rather some steam punk fictional Miachel bay World War. It was never about OMG women in my video games like the press made it people believe.

 

[Helios]

On some sides especially on the resitance site they were women yes but this was never the problem with BFV

Didn't they have females in bf1? Why would people have a problem with it now when in was already in the previous game?
But yeah, people had quite some problems with the game going a "bit" too far in the way they depicted this. Besides the obvious ones like the british(?) guy having a Katana, a guy destroying a plane with a grenade but also you had promotional shots with tanks filled to the brim with useless stuff obscuring the vision of the driver, the way the characters looked, face paint etc.

 

[Dunki]

Didn't they have females in bf1? Why would people have a problem with it now when in was already in the previous game?
But yeah, people had quite some problems with the game going a "bit" too far in the way they depicted this. Besides the obvious ones like the british(?) guy having a Katana, a guy destroying a plane with a grenade but also you had promotional shots with tanks filled to the brim with useless stuff obscuring the vision of the driver, the way the characters looked, face paint etc.

Not according to BFV Developer which is kind of ridiculous to say such bullshit.

BATTLEFIELD V DEVELOPER SAYS IT'S 'A SHAME' DICE DIDN'T INCLUDE WOMEN IN BATTLEFIELD 1

http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/08...ame-dice-didnt-include-women-in-battlefield-1

 

[LegendOfKage]

Can someone tell me what exactly BFV did to cater to the so-called SJWs? How did they take a stand against mainstream gamers? You guys seem pretty sure this has hurt game sales.

In regards to the whole Battlefield V thing, I really don't see the big deal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there were women who did enlist and fight during WWII. Had this been about WWI, then I would understand the argument since there isn't ANY record of women who were enlisted (to my knowledge). I do believe authenticity is VERY important when it comes down to all forms of media/entertainment and it does add to the overall quality for many people.

I am someone who is all for diversity, as long as it makes sense.

I'm glad that we can have a civil and thoughtful conversation about this here instead of being automatically labeled as a racist, sexist, bigot and get banned immediately.

I'm glad we can have this conversation too. The best explanation I've seen is this one, which doesn't come from an "anti-SJW" you tuber or anything. It comes from someone who advocates for consumer rights, and understands that you shouldn't directly insult your customers.

From the point in the video I queued up, it's only about six minutes long.



I'm also for diversity when it makes sense, but if you're making a WWII game (unless you're going alt-history like Wolfenstein) that's probably not the best place for it. In the actual WWII, women did serve in some countries (Russian snipers), but were completely absent from the frontlines everywhere, and not even found in most countries.

Here's a bit from wikipedia on British women in WWII:

The most common role of women in active service was that of a searchlight operator.[33] All of the members of the 93rd Searchlight Regiment were women. Despite being limited in their roles, there was a great amount of respect between the men and women in the mixed batteries.[33] One report states "Many men were amazed that women could make adequate gunners despite their excitable temperament, lack of technical instincts, their lack of interest in aeroplanes and their physical weaknesses".[33]

While women still faced discrimination from some of the highly stereotypical older soldiers and officers who did not like women "playing with their guns", women were given rifle practice and taught to use anti-aircraft guns while serving in their batteries. They were told that this was in case the Germans invaded. If that were to ever happen, they would be evacuated immediately.

But Dice didn't assure people their game was an alternate history. They doubled down and insisted that anyone questioning their game is "uneducated" and this all could have happened, and then they told people "accept it, or don't buy it." It's all there in the video I posted.

 

[mcz117chief]

In regards to the whole Battlefield V thing, I really don't see the big deal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there were women who did enlist and fight during WWII. Had this been about WWI, then I would understand the argument since there isn't ANY record of women who were enlisted (to my knowledge). I do believe authenticity is VERY important when it comes down to all forms of media/entertainment and it does add to the overall quality for many people.

I am someone who is all for diversity, as long as it makes sense.

I'm glad that we can have a civil and thoughtful conversation about this here instead of being automatically labeled as a racist, sexist, bigot and get banned immediately.

There were TONS of women in the armies of WW2, not just the Soviet Russia as most say. Though it is true, as far as I know, that Soviet Russia was the only country that tried to employ women in front line duty, with horrible results. Most countries used them as factory workers and transporting equipment from factories to assembly areas (that was the majority of female pilots in WW2), but then you have radio operators, nurses (obviously) and other support roles. Their combat roles were limited to mostly AAA divisions (anti-air batteries), most notably in Germany where most children were taught how to operate searchlights and anti-air guns from an early age (around 8 years old). Women were, in general, a rarity on the battlefield though, so even the few Soviet snipers didn't really change much when it comes to general make-up of the Soviet army, but they did contribute and we should not neglect that by any means. The problem with Battlefield 5 is that it looked nothing like WW2, seriously the one thing that irritated me the most (even more than the prosthetic lady which I could live with) was the katana wielding British trooper, like wtf is that...

 

[Helios]

But Dice didn't assure people their game was an alternate history. They doubled down and insisted that anyone questioning their game is "uneducated" and this all could have happened, and then they told people "accept it, or don't buy it." It's all there in the video I posted.

It's annoying because there are some genuinely interesting stories in WWII involving women.

"Night Witches" was a World War II nickname for the female military aviators of the 588th Night Bomber Regiment, known later as the 46th "Taman" Guards Night Bomber Aviation Regiment.
The regiment flew in wood-and-canvas Polikarpov U-2 biplanes, a 1928 design intended for use as training aircraft and for crop dusting, and to this day remains the most-produced wood-airframed biplane in aviation history. The planes could carry only six bombs at a time, so eight or more missions per night were often necessary. Although the aircraft were obsolete and slow, the pilots made daring use of their exceptional maneuverability; they had the advantage of having a maximum speed that was lower than the stall speed of both the Messerschmitt Bf 109 and the Focke-Wulf Fw 190, as a result, German pilots found them very difficult to shoot down

An attack technique of the night bombers was to idle the engine near the target and glide to the bomb release point, with only wind noise left to reveal their location. German soldiers likened the sound to broomsticks and named the pilots "Night Witches."[1][8] Due to the weight of the bombs and the low altitude of flight, the pilots carried no parachutes until 1944.[9]

 

[mcz117chief]

It's annoying because there are some genuinely interesting stories in WWII involving women.

We also must take into the account the Soviet propaganda. "Night Witches" had negligible influence on the overall war effort as far as inflicting damage is concerned. However, their primary role was inspirational, much like Pawlitschenko or the entire "Pavlov's house" legend. Their stories were exaggerated to inspire the Soviet people, much like in other countries. Germany for example glorified their submarine fleet and gave out Iron Crosses to the crews like crazy despite not having as great success as the public was fed. It was so ridiculous that one U-boat captain, Joachim Schepke, was exaggerating his successes so much, that they called his total tonnage (which means how much total weight in ships were sunk) "Schepke tonnage".

 

[Damageinc103]

What’s sad is from the trailers it looks like a lot of the complaints from BF1 have been addressed in BFV.

This is what people should be talking about and not this drama.

If gamers are so (insert name calling here) than why is Fortnite and Rainbow Six siege doing well.....plenty of woman in those games.

Wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t one of the last Ww2 games we see in a long time because of shit like this.

 

[mcz117chief]

What’s sad is from the trailers it looks like a lot of the complaints from BF1 have been addressed in BFV.

I dunno, I don't have any legitimate criticism for Battlefield 1. I think that game is pretty much flawless, at least on my casual level. It works fine, plays fine, has great graphics and sounds, lots of attention to detail, gas masks, bayonets, horses, decent story campaigns and especially the Operations are absolutely amazing.

 

[mindatlarge]

Big fan of these guys, though I do wish companies in general would take more care in deciding what is posted on their social media accounts and who has access to those accounts. I feel a lot of drama could be avoided if more thought was put into how you want your company represented. I don't think it's good business practice in general to go outside the lines. Just stick to your product and appreciate your fans of all walks of life.

In regards to the tweet, while I do understand how some could be offended by this and respect people's differences, I think there are much more important issues facing people in the trans community than a video game company making a thoughtless tweet. Again, I think it is careless for them to let this happen but mistakes are made by each and everyone of us everyday, I think people in general seem to really be lacking balance these days.

 

[mayhemking]

When someone possessing empathy feels like a parody you should probably check yourself.

The nature of a virtue is that a vice is almost always hidden inside. And fairness to everyone isn't fair to anyone.

 

[LightofRohan]

It's gross how the other forum is going to the old ways again, banning anyone remotely not in 100% agreement with their views... on a game forum.

People keep just stating, "you have to ban for Blatant Transphobia!" when 90% of the posts ban aren't even close to "transphobic". I get trying to make a safe space where everyone is free to talk... but then you got to make it a safe space where everyone is free to talk. Their motto is more, "IF you are one of these alleged "opposed" groups, you are free to bash and troll anyone". It's disgusting.

 

[Dunki]

What’s sad is from the trailers it looks like a lot of the complaints from BF1 have been addressed in BFV.

This is what people should be talking about and not this drama.

If gamers are so (insert name calling here) than why is Fortnite and Rainbow Six siege doing well.....plenty of woman in those games.

Wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t one of the last Ww2 games we see in a long time because of shit like this.

Again it is not because of women in Battlefield but the way they do it. Also the biggest reason is that Dice called the people uneducated and that they are on the wrong side of history etc.

 

[Cosmogony]

When someone possessing empathy feels like a parody you should probably check yourself.

If cracking a joke were lack of empathy, then all humour would be sociopathy.

Jokes about short people? Ruled out. Jokes about dense people, religious people, eunuchs, Trump, Mao Zedong, noisy next door neighbours, teachers, lawyers and Uber drivers, all decreed out of existence because the recipients could find them offensive and sharing them would signal a disturbing lack of empathy. In short, the death of humour. And all because of your inability to understand that humour - like the great Robert McKee pointed out long ago - operates on a different bandwidth. Humour requires the suspension of empathy. Evidently, it doesn't mean one is permanently crippled and deprived of this emotion. It's temporarily set aside so that the joke can run its course. Anyone can drop an one-liner about a blindman and act kindly towards a real blind person in the next minute. There is no contradiction. But since all you seem to have is a hammer, then everything will surely look like a nail to you.

The invented gender shit is hyperbolic nonsense to make fun of legitimate discourse and empathy directed toward those that actually don't fit directly into just one of two genders.

I understand that. But you must also come to terms with the fact some people believe gender is not a mere social construct but rather a hard biological fact. Some of these people don't hold any spite or animosity towards trans people. That is not their motivation. In fact, some continue to show great empathy towards Trans and do not try to downplay the often immerse suffering associated with these situations. However, that doesn't mean they're ready to deny reality, notably, basic biology. If you want to change their minds, by all means present a rational case.

How the fuck is making fun of "assuming someone's gender" not making fun of trans people?

If jokes about Trans people are not allowed, why should jokes about, say, congressmen be allowed? No jokes at all, is that your solution?

How about just get some goddamned empathy for marginalized people?

How about you understand not all human behaviour can be traced down to a single common explanation? Can you do that? Or would that be too nuanced for you?

If a joke is offensive to a large amount of them then just believe them.

I'm sorry. No one but me gets to decide my behaviour in this regard. If some cannot fathom what humour is, then yes, there is a limitation at play here, but it isn't mine and it's not lack of empathy.

Should there be a moratory on all humour, since any joke is bound to offend someone, somewhere, sometime? That's the question you're welcome to answer.

It's offensive to my trans friends and instead of arguing about "well, actually," I just don't fucking say it.

And you have every right to behave the way you see fit. But me, I am certainly not under any sort of obligation to live my life according to your and your friends' opinions. Especially because you don't seem to be able to make a case for them. If and when you rectify this shortcoming, I might join you.

Because I don't need to say it. Because I care about them as people. I care about their livelihood and their mental healt

I will not live my life according to your diktat.

Oh, now I get it. It's so fucking hilarious to make fun of the marginalized group and those that care about them because they ask to be identified in a way that more properly fits their existence and that inconveniences my privilege.

Cracking a joke is now a privilege? Do you know what privilege is? Who - exactly - has been deprived from the ability to make fun of anyone he or she bloody wants?
Please.

hahahahaha. Oh god, it's so good and man is it original. I totally wasn't hearing that [checks notes] two years ago.

Your lengthy post has very little in the way of substantiation.
Too bad.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

Damn right. You are my favorite dead nazi avatar user here.

 

[mckmas8808]

BF5 was criticized for putting a female soldier front-and-center in their announcement trailer for their military shooter franchise that has traditionally aimed for more realism than its competitors (Medal of Honor and CoD). Because the setting is World War II, people were upset that they were "pushing a female protagonist" which flies in the face of the expected realism for that era. Women in Gulf War? Women in Operation Iraqi Freedom? Future-war stuff like CoD has been doing? I don't think anyone would've raised a complaint.

Then, EA and DICE responded to the public concern by essentially downplaying it and dismissing it. You can bet that made people happy...

Thanks for the clear explanation. So are we supposed to act like Lyudmila Pavlichenko didn't exist?

In early 1941, Lyudmila Pavlichenko was studying history at Kiev University, but within a year, she had become one of the best snipers of all time, credited with 309 confirmed kills, 36 of which were German snipers.
Pavlichenko was born in 1916 in a small town in Ukraine.
She was described as an independent, opinionated tomboy who was "unruly in the classroom," as the Smithsonian notes.

Pavlichenko was a Soviet sniper credited with 309 kills—and an advocate for women’s rights. On a U.S. tour in 1942, she found a friend in the first lady
Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...e-soviet-sniper-23585278/#bj9hKLM75c8y2Doe.99


Wanda Gertz

Under a new nom de guerre "Lena", Gertz initially assisted with communications, then became the commanding officer of the Women's Diversion and Sabotage unit, DISK (she also had a major role in the unit's founding). She was captured by the Germans in 1944 and was transferred through a series of prisoner of war camps until finally arriving at Molsdorf, Thüringen, Germany in late 1944. On 5 Apr 1945, prisoners of Molsdorf were marched out of the camp as American troops neared; the group of prisoners Gertz traveled with ran into troops of the US 89th Infantry Division, thus became liberated




Why are people acting as if women didn't fight during World War II?

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Thanks for the clear explanation. So are we supposed to act like Lyudmila Pavlichenko didn't exist?

In early 1941, Lyudmila Pavlichenko was studying history at Kiev University, but within a year, she had become one of the best snipers of all time, credited with 309 confirmed kills, 36 of which were German snipers.
Pavlichenko was born in 1916 in a small town in Ukraine.
She was described as an independent, opinionated tomboy who was "unruly in the classroom," as the Smithsonian notes.

Pavlichenko was a Soviet sniper credited with 309 kills—and an advocate for women’s rights. On a U.S. tour in 1942, she found a friend in the first lady
Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...e-soviet-sniper-23585278/#bj9hKLM75c8y2Doe.99


Why are people acting as if women didn't fight during World War II?

I'm aware of her history.

I didn't see her in the game footage, though.

Instead, folks saw this:

If you were expecting Battlefield to remain somewhat-realistic instead of its competition CAWADOODY (which is why so many BF fans have stuck with the franchise), I think it's understandable that people would be taken aback.

 

[Lupingosei]

Why are people acting as if women didn't fight during World War II?

Because usually, people look at numbers and if 99,82% of the fighting force in WW2 were male, well they tend to rather look at that number than the 0,18%.

It was way more likely to get killed by lightning in WW2 than a female soldier. It was actually more likely to get killed by birds than female soldiers.

There were also female soldiers in WW1 in the Sowjet Union but again compared to the whole number of male soldiers it is again next to nothing.

 

[klosos]

You know what annoys me about BF5 its not that women are in the game, its that they have used a prosthetic arm which leads me to the obvious conclusion this is the way they will monetize it through lootboxes, so instead of buying power like in battlefront 2 now u can buy a mohican haircut and face tattoo for your nazi soldier.

Which leads me to dispise the EA executive soderberg because he used his daughter as a shield ( oh daddy i play fortnite so why cant i be a woman in bf5) and gave that as the reason to insert the microtransactions/lootboxes into the game.

 

[Cato]

I will call you crazy. Constantly trying to not offend anyone is like walking through a minefield 24/7. People should grow some skin for the love of god. It'll do them good. Not only online but in their everyday life. Believe me, I KNOW.

You guys really need to think this further a bit. If we just turn a blind eye and bow do you really think this is going to stop at the point we are now? Mate, this is going to get so, so, so much worse. Just watch.

It is futile to try to avoid offending people.
When the perpetually offended people want to be offended by you they will find something to be offended about no matter how careful you are to not offend.
Or they will just make something up.

Futile to even try.
Best option is probably to either ignore them or maybe openly mock them, like Doom did

 

[Arkage]

I bet she's genderfluid.

 

[Cato]

I bet she's genderfluid.

Half-cyborg is not a gender.

 

[Helios]

You know what annoys me about BF5 its not that women are in the game, its that they have used a prosthetic arm which leads me to the obvious conclusion this is the way they will monetize it through lootboxes, so instead of buying power like in battlefront 2 now u can buy a mohican haircut and face tattoo for your nazi soldier.

Yeah, they have airlifts now which apparently are not lootboxes but not far from it either

These items are not random, but are in fact predetermined and will be the same for all players. “No performance or gameplay advantage will be gained from these items,” the community manager explained on Reddit.

So they’re basically just content drops, which DICE will likely sell for real money to players. The deluxe edition only guarantees you’ll receive 20 of these over 20 weeks.

 

[888]

So apparently Resetera Doxxed the employee behind the tweet. Was watching the quartering today and he brought up resetera and what they did.

 

[Bradamante3D]

most notably in Germany where most children were taught how to operate searchlights and anti-air guns from an early age (around 8 years old).

Uhm, no, they weren't. But it's always kinda funny to learn historical "facts" about my country's history from misinformed outsiders.

 

[-MD-]

So apparently Resetera Doxxed the employee behind the tweet. Was watching the quartering today and he brought up resetera and what they did.

Yeah, the poster that did it even admitted to doing it and didn't even get banned lol.

 

[888]

Yeah, the poster that did it even admitted to doing it and didn't even get banned lol.

They are the scummiest people I have ever seen. They complain about doxxing but are the ones that end up doing it.

 

[WorriedCitizen]

Wow this thread on the other forum is pure insanity.

 

[infinitys_7th]

Thanks for the clear explanation. So are we supposed to act like Lyudmila Pavlichenko didn't exist?

In early 1941, Lyudmila Pavlichenko was studying history at Kiev University, but within a year, she had become one of the best snipers of all time, credited with 309 confirmed kills, 36 of which were German snipers.
Pavlichenko was born in 1916 in a small town in Ukraine.
She was described as an independent, opinionated tomboy who was "unruly in the classroom," as the Smithsonian notes.

Pavlichenko was a Soviet sniper credited with 309 kills—and an advocate for women’s rights. On a U.S. tour in 1942, she found a friend in the first lady
Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...e-soviet-sniper-23585278/#bj9hKLM75c8y2Doe.99


Wanda Gertz

Under a new nom de guerre "Lena", Gertz initially assisted with communications, then became the commanding officer of the Women's Diversion and Sabotage unit, DISK (she also had a major role in the unit's founding). She was captured by the Germans in 1944 and was transferred through a series of prisoner of war camps until finally arriving at Molsdorf, Thüringen, Germany in late 1944. On 5 Apr 1945, prisoners of Molsdorf were marched out of the camp as American troops neared; the group of prisoners Gertz traveled with ran into troops of the US 89th Infantry Division, thus became liberated




Why are people acting as if women didn't fight during World War II?

This is called an anecdote. Very, very few women were involved with combat in WWII, and even fewer were actual soldiers as opposed to imprompto resistance fighters.

 

[infinitys_7th]

They are the scummiest people I have ever seen. They complain about doxxing but are the ones that end up doing it.

"He said something mean, so he deserved it!".

 

[-MD-]

Wow this thread on the other forum is pure insanity.

[banned for downplaying transphobia]
[duration: pending, my medication hasn't kicked in yet]

Do better, WorriedCitizen.

 

[WorriedCitizen]

[banned for downplaying transphobia]
[duration: pending, my medication hasn't kicked in yet]

Do better, WorriedCitizen.

Permanent. Not even a question. I wish these people could see what a disservice they actualy do for the acceptence of their cause and grievences. Who gets swayed to become more empathic when getting their kind of treatment for asking a question or having a slightly different opinion?

 

[888]

Permanent. Not even a question. I wish these people could see what a disservice they actualy do for the acceptence of their cause and grievences. Who gets swayed to become more empathic when getting their kind of treatment for asking a question or having a slightly different opinion?

They cause people to hate their causes easily for the way they act.

 

[MP!]

well perhaps I can think outside the mob mentality on this site and not be banned. I didn't think it was that offensive to be honest

 

[WAR recon zero]

I don’t give a shit there are women in Battlefield and neither should you.

 

[Scopa]

I don’t give a shit there are women in Battlefield and neither should you.

I don’t like Indian food and neither should you.

 

[mcz117chief]

Uhm, no, they weren't. But it's always kinda funny to learn historical "facts" about my country's history from misinformed outsiders.

Yes, they were. I have recently read a whole book about the 12. SS-Panzerdivision "Hitlerjugend" and in the chapter regarding training and conscription, they mentioned how they were trained to use AAA equipment pretty much from the moment they were signed up, especially at the later stages of war. I am currently at work but if you want I can cite the book for you once I get home or, if I am wrong, set myself straight.

edit: So it was the Deutsches Jungvolk that recruited children from age 10 (not 8 my mistake) and when the war started were trained in using military equipment.

 

[Dunki]

Thanks for the clear explanation. So are we supposed to act like Lyudmila Pavlichenko didn't exist?

In early 1941, Lyudmila Pavlichenko was studying history at Kiev University, but within a year, she had become one of the best snipers of all time, credited with 309 confirmed kills, 36 of which were German snipers.
Pavlichenko was born in 1916 in a small town in Ukraine.
She was described as an independent, opinionated tomboy who was "unruly in the classroom," as the Smithsonian notes.

Pavlichenko was a Soviet sniper credited with 309 kills—and an advocate for women’s rights. On a U.S. tour in 1942, she found a friend in the first lady
Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...e-soviet-sniper-23585278/#bj9hKLM75c8y2Doe.99


Wanda Gertz

Under a new nom de guerre "Lena", Gertz initially assisted with communications, then became the commanding officer of the Women's Diversion and Sabotage unit, DISK (she also had a major role in the unit's founding). She was captured by the Germans in 1944 and was transferred through a series of prisoner of war camps until finally arriving at Molsdorf, Thüringen, Germany in late 1944. On 5 Apr 1945, prisoners of Molsdorf were marched out of the camp as American troops neared; the group of prisoners Gertz traveled with ran into troops of the US 89th Infantry Division, thus became liberated




Why are people acting as if women didn't fight during World War II?

again and again people do not complain about women in their games. They complain about the ridiculously design. Prosthetic arm as sniper face paints in this kind of level etc. journalism made it look like it is abou women.

 

[Kadayi]

They should have just gone down the route of some sort of steampunk alternative history rather than trying to play this down as somehow historically accurate.

 

[Enzo88]

They should have just gone down the route of some sort of steampunk alternative history rather than trying to play this down as somehow historically accurate.

Can you even depict an historically accurate future?

 

[MilkyJoe]

Well resetera has jusr cwmwmnted itself as the biggest

On some sides especially on the resitance site they were women yes but this was never the problem with BFV. The problem was that the representation was ridiculous. No one would have complained if they had used realistic female characters and nto some sniper with a prostetic Arm as sniper like Ljudmila Michailowna Pawlitschenko

This did not looke like WW2 but rather some steam punk fictional Miachel bay World War. It was never about OMG women in my video games like the press made it people believe.

You can say this until you are blue in the face, but it goes against the SJW narrative, so it will be completely ignored. You can write it on the side of an elephant, with a fucking marching band and a new years supply of fireworks, and they will brush over it and continue to scream misogyny at anyone who will listen.

 

[Dunki]

Can you even depict an historically accurate future?

According to the developers they do not care about accuracy but fun. So if they wante to make a highly diverse game they could have done it with a fictional setting for sure. Either you do it accurate which means not such ridiculous designs or you do it in a fictional setting and do as you please.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

guys i can tell you now. all martial arts gyms arent filled with guys and maybe youll see 1 chick who checks it out and you never see her again. these gyms are filled with women ready to fight. its in their blood. they are ready. thats why there isnt a deficit on women fighters women. none at all. they have our aggression!

 

[EDMIX]

According to the developers they do not care about accuracy but fun. So if they wante to make a highly diverse game they could have done it with a fictional setting for sure. Either you do it accurate which means not such ridiculous designs or you do it in a fictional setting and do as you please.

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or they can make it how they feel like it. You don't need to like it, but its still their game. So the only thing I think developers need to make is what they want.

Soooo the setting doesn't need to be "fictional" as enough happened in WWII were its enough to tell a story, but no where did the team even say the story was a biographic of exact events of a person, simply that its set in a time and setting that already existed, ie historical fiction, but that is MOST WWII games, MOST are not stories about real 100% 1.1 actual events, ie every bullet shot, even step taken, every line used in the game was stated by someone. So its hard to get anyone getting mad at this when no one even told gamers it was of a biographical concept, even remotely.

Historical fiction very much puts a story in a time period and event that factually happened, simply of a individual story that is fictional, but dear god, who needed to tell you folks this when people are being brought back to life with syringes, running on top of zeppelins and imaginary ammo flying out of people? lol

So the developer can make what they want, I see no reason for anyone to really even get upset at this as what is being suggested, wasn't even remotely promised to really get mad at. Might as well say we are also mad that mics exist in which we can talk with the whole team in clarity, I mean....that wasn't in WWII so? You also get multiple lives, don't remember that magic in WWII either so....maybe get a different game cause I see zero evidence to even suggest BF was ever even made for that type of experience.

 

[Helios]

Can you even depict an historically accurate future?

Deus Ex did it with a stunning amount of accuracy 18 years ago.
Also is "historically accurate future" an oxymoron?