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By agenda, do you mean her own, as a Trans woman, politely explained beliefs.

I guess. Just saying it's not like the rest who got nuked for simply peeking their head in and saying "huh?"

though I think it's ridiculous somebody took time to investigate the poster off forum, but is what it is

 

[Pallas]

This is getting ridiculous ... I’m all for apologizing if someone gets offended but the outrage is going over the top, the joke posted which the poster probably had no idea that the meme would upset so many or that it’s considered offensive to some.

I also think calling it transphobic is wrong, it’s obviously not intended to be hateful, it’s not intended to be malicious in nature, nor do I believe the PR guy was trying to stir up fear.

Honestly it’s even more ridiculous that the apology is getting more hate.

 

[Ogbert]

I guess. Just saying it's not like the rest who got nuked for simply peeking their head in and saying "huh?"

though I think it's ridiculous somebody took time to investigate the poster off forum, but is what it is

Agree. And sorry, my response came off as terse, which wasn't the intention.

If there's any ray of sunshine in that debacle of a thread, the chap who attempted to initiate a doxing of the CDPR lady and then dished all the dirt on the heretical trans lady, ended up apologising profusely. He seemed to sincerely realise how unpleasant and bullying his behaviour was. It's always good to see a drop of humanity amidst the mob.

 

[Twinsen343]

What is the world coming too....

 

[Schrödinger's cat]

Here's my suggestion for CDPR:

Make a reference to this episode in your forthcoming game. In fact, make it an in-game mission.

You'll be in 100% safe territory as those that were offended won't be buying your game anyway, and those with skin thicker than a politician's promise will take it as intended.

Hell, I'll even give you a name for this in-game mission: Catch 2077

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

Something's gotten scrambled in modern culture and people think humor, any form of humor, is always an attack against someone.

It's not, ribbing someone or something does not equal a bullying attack on something on someone, there is nuance when it comes to humor but people are literally unable to detect nuance anymore and it's killing humor (and arguably, all of culture period)

If you can't take some gentle ribbing, that's on you, "did you just assume their gender" is a mild as hell joke, the fact that people are literally going to get bent out of shape over it is proof at what a bleeding, pus filled anal wart modern culture has become.

I mean good Lord people, what if something really bad happens in the near future like a major war or some other catastrophe to where suddenly it's not guaranteed you're gonna have food on your table? Like basically what if you have real problems? Are we just gonna see people committing suicide en masse? If you can't take a joke, this world is going to chew you up and spit you out, people's literal survival depends on growing a thicker skin than that.

I don't know man, sometimes I wonder if this really the end, some fall of Rome shit, modern society is so decadent and weak, how are we going to expect this society to survive if again, people are literally unable to take a joke?

 

[Bill O'Rights]

Hey everybody, we seem to have gone slightly off tangent in the last couple of pages with off-site communities. While most of it is a genuine tangential we do have a dedicated thread for the non specific stuff:


https://www.neogaf.com/posts/253404837/


Can we use it for the more unrelated offshoots please.

Thanks

 

[Gavin Stevens]

I read the tweet, and... it was nothing.

As the above said, this world really is getting its panties in a... wait no because that’s negative against women. Not it’s really starting to get old... no wait that’s negative against old people...

And oh shit now I’ve failed multiple times... that’s negative against people who fail...

When does it end?

When I was at school, there was none of this. You were the butt of a joke? Tough tits, try it yourself with something else. When I was at college, my gay friends were often called names, and as such so were us straight people. Our out none white skinned friends had names, and so did our white skin friends... Nobody gave a shit because it didn’t mean anything, it was just a laugh. As soon we somebody went too far you didn’t need to have a social outcry and be ridiculed... it was just “shit sorry man, I didn’t mean to be a bell end” and then boom, forgotten.

These days it’s utterly stupid how anything and everything has to be like this. I hate the term “snow flake” that the orange turd in chief uses so much but it fits pretty much everybody... people need to grow a damn back bone man... unless somehow f is said at you exclusively and in such a way that constitutes bullying, just forget it. Stop making drama out of nothing. Grow the fuck up, or in some cases, grown the fuck DOWN...

 

[royox]

I was thinking....can it even be considered a trans joke in the context of that Videogame? (Cyberpunk). Isn't it supposed to be about a world full of cyborgs and robots? Answering that to someone who's asking for more "male characters" is not a bad thing in that context as cyborgs have no gender

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

Sometimes being mocked is exactly what people need, sometimes you really are being ridiculous and rather than getting offended you need to take a look at yourself and ask why you're being laughed at.

It's a harsh form of criticism but it's sometimes a literal necessity for people's survival, after all, it's a harsh world we live in.

I mentioned this in another thread, but I've noticed that the left has weaponized empathy, what should be a good thing has been twisted into something evil and modern society is choking to death on empathy that goes past the point of any logic or reason.

 

[recma12]

I mean good Lord people, what if something really bad happens in the near future like a major war or some other catastrophe to where suddenly it's not guaranteed you're gonna have food on your table? Like basically what if you have real problems?

Last weekend I watched a documentary about the Roman Empire's occupation of present day Germany/England.
Pretty amazing how far ahead of the barbaric tribes the Romans were.

On topic:
Scientists figured out that Roman men were shaving their whole bodies back then. Anyone who has chest hair for example was frowned upon.
All the Barbarians cared about was finding food and surviving the next winter.
Basically, the Romans created new problems because they didn't have real problems any more. Everybody knows how everything played out.

If we don't cut the shit soon, we will go down just like the Romans. All this time, energy and effort Westerners waste on discussing these non issues will come back to bite us soon.

 

[Scopa]

Something's gotten scrambled in modern culture and people think humor, any form of humor, is always an attack against someone.

It's not, ribbing someone or something does not equal a bullying attack on something on someone, there is nuance when it comes to humor but people are literally unable to detect nuance anymore and it's killing humor (and arguably, all of culture period)

If you can't take some gentle ribbing, that's on you, "did you just assume their gender" is a mild as hell joke, the fact that people are literally going to get bent out of shape over it is proof at what a bleeding, pus filled anal wart modern culture has become.

I mean good Lord people, what if something really bad happens in the near future like a major war or some other catastrophe to where suddenly it's not guaranteed you're gonna have food on your table? Like basically what if you have real problems? Are we just gonna see people committing suicide en masse? If you can't take a joke, this world is going to chew you up and spit you out, people's literal survival depends on growing a thicker skin than that.

I don't know man, sometimes I wonder if this really the end, some fall of Rome shit, modern society is so decadent and weak, how are we going to expect this society to survive if again, people are literally unable to take a joke?

If there is a WW3 or fall of civilisation, these snowflakes wouldn’t last 2 weeks. They would not know how to survive.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Humour is a cure for political correctness. Any virus will fight against a cure in order to spread.

edit: Oh my good lord. Have any of you been 'somewhere else' to see how they're responding? Permanently banned:

I'm trans and I feel this entire thing is a tad silly. Transphobia means 'A fear or hatred of transgender people', and the CDPR comment is neither fearful or hateful. It's a derpy meme/comment and nothing else. There's no malice to it. I mean sure, some people use it as a means to be offensive, but it's certainly not the majority. And it's certainly not how I perceive CDPR to have used it. I think people should just calm down. There's no point raging over such harmless comments. Honestly, getting so outraged just hurts trans people like me. So many folks are just rolling their eyes at this anger, and it reflects poorly on people struggling with their gender identity. It just makes us look weak. According to polls, the acceptance of LGBT folk is going down, and while it's easy to blame it on the current administration, there needs to be some self reflection to see that this stuff isn't helping. People are just exhausted by the outrage of the week, especially in cases where what's creating the anger is far from being 'that' bad. This stuff pushes people away from our cause to find acceptance. It's just making us look like whiny and emotionally unhinged individuals. And making us look weak is not what we should be doing. Save the rage for things that are actually hurtful/harmful.

This is getting ridiculous.

 

[Dynasty8]

Well, they have officially reached a new low. A trans was permanently banned from cuntera for being level headed.

I swear, the people who run the forum over there are sick. Not trying to make fun...but they're insane to a point that is concerning. I can't believe they were once apart of this forum.

Humour is a cure for political correctness. Any virus will fight against a cure in order to spread.

This is getting ridiculous.

This. Exactly this.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Sometimes being mocked is exactly what people need, sometimes you really are being ridiculous and rather than getting offended you need to take a look at yourself and ask why you're being laughed at.

It's a harsh form of criticism but it's sometimes a literal necessity for people's survival, after all, it's a harsh world we live in.

I mentioned this in another thread, but I've noticed that the left has weaponized empathy, what should be a good thing has been twisted into something evil and modern society is choking to death on empathy that goes past the point of any logic or reason.

Damn right. You are my favorite dead nazi avatar user here.

 

[mckmas8808]

I will say it again since you either miss it or ignore it.

The outrage right now is much much bigger. While the joke had like 400-500 comments the vast majority of them even defending the joke the apology one has now 2.,7k comments and it is a fucking slaughterhouse in there. And most of them are angry that it got deleted with people thanking them for deleting getting barraged with replys how shitty they are. Just before it was a little joke now people really getting attacked on social media.

I would say more than a few. I made some admittedly harsh tweets defending CD red and I am getting every lefty nutjob on a witch hunt trying to track down my personal info.

Again you guys are thinking what we say on the internet is more important than it is. The Witcher 3 sold over 10 to 15 million units. And you are telling me about less than 3,000 comments. Think about how small of the gaming community is actually talking about this CDPR tweet. And then lets take a look at how many people viewed CDPR's game reveal for CyperPunk.



Well.......why don't you look at that. 14 MILLION views! Like I said, this story is just a drop in the bucket when it comes to how people will feel about the game and CDPR as a company.

People are getting banned on other forums. CDPR has had to issue an apology. So definitely something major happened, but I think it's more of an issue with gamers in America because of the toxic political climate especially when it comes to themes of marginalised groups. I don't think gamers in other parts of the world would have issue with jokes which aren't intentionally trying to be malicious.

It wasn't major at all. Like you said most people in other countries probably didn't even care about the joke. We on the internet are making this whole thing bigger than it really is.

 

[Ogbert]

I swear, the people who run the forum over there are sick. Not trying to make fun...but they're insane to a point that is concerning. I can't believe they were once apart of this forum.

If you really want to see how warped their thinking is, check out the thread on rape statistics in Sweden.

Honestly, it beggars belief.

I say this sincerely - they're a cult.

 

[Guileless]

This is an appetizer for what's coming when the game is released, as it will probably have many angles for attack by the social justice clerisy. Sci fi that does not pass political tests is a very ripe target now.

 

[7echnicolor]

It's good that they deleted the tweet. It's a stupid and tired-ass 'joke'.

 

[Steez]

Holy shit, GAF is still going.

I stopped visiting this site the moment everybody jumped ship because I thought that basically everybody jumped ship and went over to ERA, but it's straight up unbearable over there. People getting banned left and right for not conforming with the groupthink (myself included during the ArenaNet firings drama) and this is just another example of their weird radical movement. I'm a left leaning person, but the shit that goes on over there just rubs me the wrong way.

Might be time to bookmark old GAF again.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

This is an appetizer for what's coming when the game is released, as it will probably have many angles for attack by the social justice clerisy. Sci fi that does not pass political tests is a very ripe target now.

This.

I was amused to see crappy torture-porn "sci fi" like The Handmaid's Tale getting not just one but three seasons. Meanwhile, there's an ever-growing list of exceptional sci-fi that is ignored. Heck, if Netflix really wanted female-driven, female-written sci-fi, you could dip into the bibliographies of Ursula K Le Guin's, James Tiptree Jr., C.J. Cherryh, or Ann Leckie.

Amazon Prime rescued The Expanse and is giving Philip K Dick some airtime, though you could argue that the anti-Nazi angle of Man in the High Castle is largely to thank for that. I'll give Amazon some credit there.

Gimme some good sci-fi, not politically-correct sci-fi.

 

[Blam]

Holy shit, GAF is still going.

I stopped visiting this site the moment everybody jumped ship because I thought that basically everybody jumped ship and went over to ERA, but it's straight up unbearable over there. People getting banned left and right for not conforming with the groupthink (myself included during the ArenaNet firings drama) and this is just another example of their weird radical movement. I'm a left leaning person, but the shit that goes on over there just rubs me the wrong way.

Might be time to bookmark old GAF again.

Well were more welcoming then ever, and a bit slower then ERA, but hey in due time we will be back up to normal activity, and with a more diverse set of opinions then a single hivemind like era.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Holy shit, GAF is still going.

I stopped visiting this site the moment everybody jumped ship because I thought that basically everybody jumped ship and went over to ERA, but it's straight up unbearable over there. People getting banned left and right for not conforming with the groupthink (myself included during the ArenaNet firings drama) and this is just another example of their weird radical movement. I'm a left leaning person, but the shit that goes on over there just rubs me the wrong way.

Might be time to bookmark old GAF again.

That other forum 'drained the swamp' here and now we have people with different opinions actually debating openly. It's so refreshing. And what's more ... some of these people still get along with each other even though they have different opinions! GAF is now the best forum on the internet.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Holy shit, GAF is still going.

I stopped visiting this site the moment everybody jumped ship because I thought that basically everybody jumped ship and went over to ERA, but it's straight up unbearable over there. People getting banned left and right for not conforming with the groupthink (myself included during the ArenaNet firings drama) and this is just another example of their weird radical movement. I'm a left leaning person, but the shit that goes on over there just rubs me the wrong way.

Might be time to bookmark old GAF again.

Welcome back mate.
Went the same way as you - only a couple of month earlier and I wasn't banned on ERA.

 

[Fox Mulder]

This is an appetizer for what's coming when the game is released, as it will probably have many angles for attack by the social justice clerisy. Sci fi that does not pass political tests is a very ripe target now.

It'll be fine. The game will likely sell very well in the millions and even offended game journalists won't throw their websites under the bus with false horrible reviews or whatever.

 

[Dunki]

Holy shit, GAF is still going.

I stopped visiting this site the moment everybody jumped ship because I thought that basically everybody jumped ship and went over to ERA, but it's straight up unbearable over there. People getting banned left and right for not conforming with the groupthink (myself included during the ArenaNet firings drama) and this is just another example of their weird radical movement. I'm a left leaning person, but the shit that goes on over there just rubs me the wrong way.

Might be time to bookmark old GAF again.

Welcome back? Fact is that you will not get banned for opinions no matter how controversial as long you do not personally attack people. So if you can stomach vastly different opinions and views about various topics its a fun place but also can be more "aggressive" not insulting on a personal level but harsher in discussions about some issues.

Again you guys are thinking what we say on the internet is more important than it is. The Witcher 3 sold over 10 to 15 million units. And you are telling me about less than 3,000 comments. Think about how small of the gaming community is actually talking about this CDPR tweet. And then lets take a look at how many people viewed CDPR's game reveal for CyperPunk.

Its over 5k right now and comments on twitter are only an indicative about the traffic and popularity of this tweet etc. 5k comments are pretty impressive for one tweet to be honest.

Also the same was said about Battlefield 5 and look how this is currently looking.

 

[Steez]

Thanks for the warm welcome, guys!

Its over 5k right now and comments on twitter are only an indicative about the traffic and popularity of this tweet etc. 5k comments are pretty impressive for one tweet to be honest.

Also the same was said about Battlefield 5 and look how this is currently looking.

Eh, Battlefield has a lot of baggage. Series fatigue, it's kinda the butt for a lot of jokes and it's generally underperforming with constant soft reboots. CDPR is the darling of the gaming industry and it's gonna take a lot more than a tweet to squander all the goodwill they garnered.

 

[mckmas8808]

It'll be fine. The game will likely sell very well in the millions and even offended game journalists won't throw their websites under the bus with false horrible reviews or whatever.

The game journalist that started this whole thing (Austin Walker) waxed poetically about how much he LOVED the demo. I'm talking about 60 minutes worth of straight praise. He broke down every facet of the demo to levels that almost nobody else in the industry has done. He LOVES the game and the source material. There's 0% chance he skips out of the game because of that tweet. Dude was straight up in his feelings when he tweeted that. Most people here on GAF don't even know who Austin Walker is though, so they think he must be some left wing SJW hack that doesn't play games for some reason.

Also the same was said about Battlefield 5 and look how this is currently looking.

What was said about Battlefield 5?

 

[Fuz]

Holy shit, GAF is still going.

I stopped visiting this site the moment everybody jumped ship because I thought that basically everybody jumped ship and went over to ERA, but it's straight up unbearable over there. People getting banned left and right for not conforming with the groupthink (myself included during the ArenaNet firings drama) and this is just another example of their weird radical movement. I'm a left leaning person, but the shit that goes on over there just rubs me the wrong way.

Might be time to bookmark old GAF again.

I'm a leftie too and cannot stand their overexcessive PC and echo chamber. It's fascism, plain and simple.
Welcome back.
Quite sure more will follow.

 

[Blam]

What was said about Battlefield 5?

That it would tank because it's 85% behind on cod, and is projected to flop by an analyst that only counts amazon preorders of which Battlefield V doesn't have anything to preorder that isn't digital. aka the metrics were bs as fuck.

 

[petran79]

Holy shit, GAF is still going.

I stopped visiting this site the moment everybody jumped ship because I thought that basically everybody jumped ship and went over to ERA, but it's straight up unbearable over there. People getting banned left and right for not conforming with the groupthink (myself included during the ArenaNet firings drama) and this is just another example of their weird radical movement. I'm a left leaning person, but the shit that goes on over there just rubs me the wrong way.

Might be time to bookmark old GAF again.

There were also calm voices that did not take part in the tumult and also kept their GAF accounts. In fact early registrations of Resetera had also an option where you put the link to your GAF account to make migration easier.
First months of ERA were admittedly more open minded and tolerated discussions with only some warnings here and there . To be banned you had to express very extreme views, on both sides of the spectrum. But when the flux of new users increased it became quite difficult to control discussions. Also probably a change in policy or adding new mods and admins, have no idea why they changed.
I got 3 short bans and was on the soon to be permabanned list, so it was unavoidable really. Even without using any personal attacks or denigrations. The irony is that the one time I was banned it was about a topic about the existance of alt-right in computer strategy games. I even posted a link of a podcast. At that time I was really confused why I was banned. Probably I had not the authority as a simple member....

 

[Dunki]

The game journalist that started this whole thing (Austin Walker) waxed poetically about how much he LOVED the demo. I'm talking about 60 minutes worth of straight praise. He broke down every facet of the demo to levels that almost nobody else in the industry has done. He LOVES the game and the source material. There's 0% chance he skips out of the game because of that tweet. Dude was straight up in his feelings when he tweeted that. Most people here on GAF don't even know who Austin Walker is though, so they think he must be some left wing SJW hack that doesn't play games for some reason.



What was said about Battlefield 5?

for walker. Take a look at his twitter account and how he now thinks about it. It is all political for him.

As for battlefield: it was also said that this outrage did not matter and that it is just a small minority. Blaming gamergate etc. in the end it was a huge blow. But people if dice also insulted gamer etc. Something red did not do. Still it will affect their sales because now people who were offended by will still not buy it since the apology was not enough also for Austin it was Not enough. And people not buying it because they gave in.

Again if they had ignored the offended people it would have not cause the disaster it now is.

 

[Thiagosc777]

Like I said, this story is just a drop in the bucket when it comes to how people will feel about the game and CDPR as a company.

This is the same argument for every controversy online. Remember Wolfenstein II? Remember Battlefield V? "It's only a small minority".

This isn't even the first time they do something like this. Recently GoG removed an "offensive tweet" (CDPR owns GoG) and gave a similar response. This is a pattern inside CDPR and worth taking note.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

It's good that they deleted the tweet. It's a stupid and tired-ass 'joke'.

Don't agree, it can also be taken as a straight faced serious statement.

If you seriously take the idea biological sex /= gender, then it stands to reason that even a room full of biological men is not lacking in women and vice versa.

Actually being offended by it, I would say, merely shows deep down you don't really believe biological sex /= gender.

 

[jonnyp]

I swear, the people who run the forum over there are sick. Not trying to make fun...but they're insane to a point that is concerning. I can't believe they were once apart of this forum.




This. Exactly this.

They really are sick over there. But Snorwich747 is very welcome to join us here on Neogaf, seems like a really level headed person.

 

[DeepEnigma]

That it would tank because it's 85% behind on cod, and is projected to flop by an analyst that only counts amazon preorders of which Battlefield V doesn't have anything to preorder that isn't digital. aka the metrics were bs as fuck.

That was wrong information spread by journalists that failed to do research before his typical industry pandering hot-take. The analyst actually switched to GameStop earlier in the year due to that Amazon issue.

doh...

 

[Steez]

There were also calm voices that did not take part in the tumult and also kept their GAF accounts. In fact early registrations of Resetera had also an option where you put the link to your GAF account to make migration easier.
First months of ERA were admittedly more open minded and tolerated discussions with only some warnings here and there . To be banned you had to express very extreme views, on both sides of the spectrum. But when the flux of new users increased it became quite difficult to control discussions. Also probably a change in policy or adding new mods and admins, have no idea why they changed.
I got 3 short bans and was on the soon to be permabanned list, so it was unavoidable really. Even without using any personal attacks or denigrations. The irony is that the one time I was banned it was about a topic about the existance of alt-right in computer strategy games. I even posted a link of a podcast. At that time I was really confused why I was banned. Probably I had not the authority as a simple member....

Yea, I noticed a weird vibe after a while and pretty much stuck to lurking and only posted occasionally. I got only banned once for two weeks, but right now I'm posting in the ERA thread, so I'm probably gonna get my perma pretty soon.

edit: and I'm banned, lol.

Anyway, don't mean to derail the thread.

Regarding Walker, it's such a bummer. I really liked the dude back when he was on GBEast, but since he got his Vice gig he got super extreme. I only unfollowed him recently on twitter.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

for walker. Take a look at his twitter account and how he now thinks about it. It is all political for him.

As for battlefield: it was also said that this outrage did not matter and that it is just a small minority. Blaming gamergate etc. in the end it was a huge blow. But people if dice also insulted gamer etc. Something red did not do. Still it will affect their sales because now people who were offended by will still not buy it since the apology was not enough also for Austin it was Not enough. And people not buying it because they gave in.

Again if they had ignored the offended people it would have not cause the disaster it now is.

There's a big difference between this and battlefield, battlefield tried to cater to sjws and took a stance against mainstream gamers, just like star wars tried to cater to sjws and turned against mainstream star wars fans.

Media that offends SJWs, but caters to mainstream gamers, like DOOM eternal and Kingdom come: Deliverance can and does succeed even without apologies.

Media that caters to SJWs, and takes too strong a stance against mainstream consumers, often fails.

 

[Randall365]

The mods on Resetera are something else - god knows what goes on at their family meals!

Quite a few bans I expect.

Just proof that power corrupts. It is interesting that people are jumping on Poland, saying how backward it is, but of course that's fine.

 

[mckmas8808]

There's a big difference between this and battlefield, battlefield tried to cater to sjws and took a stance against mainstream gamers, just like star wars tried to cater to sjws and turned against mainstream star wars fans.

Media that offends SJWs, but caters to mainstream gamers, like DOOM eternal and Kingdom come: Deliverance can and does succeed even without apologies.

Media that caters to SJWs, and takes too strong a stance against mainstream consumers, often fails.

Can someone tell me what exactly BFV did to cater to the so-called SJWs? How did they take a stand against mainstream gamers? You guys seem pretty sure this has hurt game sales.

 

[Blam]

The mods on Resetera are something else - god knows what goes on at their family meals!

Quite a few bans I expect.

Just proof that power corrupts. It is interesting that people are jumping on Poland, saying how backward it is, but of course that's fine.

Well doesn't help that they actually at a point asked about what gender/race people were to get moderators on for a more diverse group lol.

That and nearly all of them are friends of friends.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Can someone tell me what exactly BFV did to cater to the so-called SJWs? How did they take a stand against mainstream gamers? You guys seem pretty sure this has hurt game sales.

BF5 was criticized for putting a female soldier front-and-center in their announcement trailer for their military shooter franchise that has traditionally aimed for more realism than its competitors (Medal of Honor and CoD). Because the setting is World War II, people were upset that they were "pushing a female protagonist" which flies in the face of the expected realism for that era. Women in Gulf War? Women in Operation Iraqi Freedom? Future-war stuff like CoD has been doing? I don't think anyone would've raised a complaint.

Then, EA and DICE responded to the public concern by essentially downplaying it and dismissing it. You can bet that made people happy...

 

[Thiagosc777]

Can someone tell me what exactly BFV did to cater to the so-called SJWs? How did they take a stand against mainstream gamers? You guys seem pretty sure this has hurt game sales.

Ever since the game was revealed EA employees have been antagonizing fans.

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/...neducated-doesnt-want-them-to-buy-game/61256/

Electronic Arts’ chief creative officer, Patrick Soderlund, doesn’t want you buying the game. In fact, he went as far as to call such critics “uneducated” and that they should either accept DICE’s agenda for rewriting World War II or “don’t buy the game.”

 

[Noboru Wataya]

Going off topic, but god damn, I fucking love NeoGAF. I spent about an hour browsing other forums and it’s good to know there is a place sane people can post.

Edit: *activates ban/warning avoidance protocol* I can’t believe how much traction this has got after they officially apologised for their poor joke choice. Imagine someone said something offensive!!

 

[The Skull]

Ever since the game was revealed EA employees have been antagonizing fans.

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/...neducated-doesnt-want-them-to-buy-game/61256/

Fuck me. No point in engaging in what someone means when you're ready to accuse them of being racist and sexist.

 

[LightofRohan]

So your claim is because there are trans people on twitter who were not offended that the joke is in fact not offensive? That's not a good argument.

If there are trans people who were not offended by the joke that's great for them. More power to them. But those individuals do not speak for everyone. The joke is inherently offensive. by saying "did you just assume my gender?!?!" you are feigning offense to being misidentified and making fun of someone for having preferred pronouns. You are pretending to be the transgender person in this joke and are making fun of how they get offended by being misidentified, and in doing so you are belittling an actual issue. That is not an opinion that is a fact. Sorry you can't see that.

Again if you're not offended by the joke that's great. But that doesn't make it an unoffensive joke. The fact of the matter is CDPR did see how it was offensive and apologized for making the joke.

I think you just explained why it is not transphobic right there... you said, "did you just assume my gender?!?!" is transphobic, because it implies ownership on a thought. But she did not state that on CDPR's twitter she said, "did you just assume their gender?" it's mocking those that get overly offended on the behalf of others.

Even then though, if she did state "did you just assume my gender" who gives a fuck. Why are certain groups immune to any criticism or humor? And why is it only the groups that are trending at the moment. Do you ever think maybe you are just chasing the high of "moral superiority" and victim blaming?

Maybe none of this actually matters if you truly think about it. I'd love an honest well thought out explanation of what would have happened if that Tweet went unattacked. What are the ramifications?

 

[Luffytubby]

And I think you are missing the point here. DeepEnigma might want to listen up too. This isn't some oppression olympics. This isn't some comment against the US like your post seems to think (CDPR isn't even a US developer). Its about recognizing privilege. I

When you're telling someone to check their privilege in this context you're saying "hey you're not a transgender person and you don't have to deal with their struggles so you're not in a position to tell them what they should or shouldn't be offended by. You don't speak for them, and you don't have to deal with the shit they deal with for being transgender." That's what it means. You are privileged. It doesn't make you a bad person, but it also means you can't really relate to this issue.

So lets break this down.
- CDPR made a bad taste joke
- CDPR is criticized for the tweet
- CDPR takes the tweet down and apologizes
- people are upset that CDPR apologized

again if you weren't offended by the joke fine. but if you're mad that other people are offended by it then you should check your privilege. I understand why hearing that might be frustrating because it basically disqualifies you from being upset about this, but as it turns out it really doesn't matter if you're upset about this. CDPR obviously agreed that the tweet was in bad taste because they deleted it and apologized. I can't see why it is so important to you that CDPR keep the tweet up and not apologize, but they did and that's that. get over it.

Hey Peter,

Sorry for the late reply. Wanted to answer properly:

You say it's about "recognising privilege" but I'd wager that this has been an abysmal tactic that has actually done a lot of harm. White Privilege was a slogan - A form of communicating a point. That point has not really gotten around because;

a) privilege has nothing to do with being white.

b) white privilege deduces all white people to a single monolith which is abhorrent given the ethnic sub group that belongs under the umbrella of white that are routinely discriminated against all over the west. I'm talking specifically about minorities like Romas, Jews and Slavs who there are millions off. To speak of white privilege is to lump these in on an even keel and to dismiss their suffrage.

White privilege comes from a place of ignorance, of not knowing about intersectorial tribalism in different cultures. To understand privilege is to understand that there is not much difference between different groups in America is elsewhere. Minorities in Japan, China, Russia, India, Latin America and other places are also mistreated into a hierachy that is based on power and inequality.
I'm not arguing against a concept of privilege, but pointing that out- in a form that does nothing to get the point of across seems like a selfish ego power trip rather than having a desire to actually make people embrace their compassionate side.
You have tons of people here who describe themselves as liberal - partially liberally minded, who cannot get behind this over simplication, and grotesque deductionary summary of people.
Making people aware of their privilege as a means to make them change their mind isn't helpful. It's not helpful to tell African Americans to embrace their privilege because they are 1000% better off than minorities in other countries. Even if that is true, the suffering of others doesn't make your own problem go away, and the truth of the matter is that the American white middle class is in freefall.
For many, their lives suck and as a result they tend to go conservative (as vast majority populations around the world tends to do in times of recessions and economic hardships).

To your other point, to have experience to something doesn't make one an expert of something. Just because you've not experienced something yourself it doesn't mean you cannot have insight or compassion about something. I find it a strange idea that to understand the suffering of others I have to have lived through their suffering myself.
That doesn't make sense. And what is more is that, sometimes being directly involved or exposed to something can make you irrational or biased against something to the point were you cannot see the forest from the trees.
It's not always like that, but don't mistake experience for wisdom or expertise. Many people gain experience, but don't learn from it, or simply co-op the oppression they faced and put it on others. We've seen many tribal societies where a shift in the power dynamics turned the oppressed into the oppressors.

Be wary of empathy. It's not a good barometer to always view politics through. It is insanely biased, one sided, loaded with anxiety and can be weaponised towards extremism.

I understand why hearing that might be frustrating because it basically disqualifies you from being upset about this, but as it turns out it really doesn't matter if you're upset about this.

I am not upset, I merely replied to your arguments which I don't think come from a good point of discussion. I don't think you can or should tell others what they can be upset about simply due to their colour of their skin or their experiences.
You don't need first hand experiences of things to have a valid opinion about something serious. And I'd wager that sometimes being an outside observer brings a more objective, nuanced and calm look to a problem, where as someone who are in the middle of something can be distressed, biased and irrational through the strong emotions they feel.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Can someone tell me what exactly BFV did to cater to the so-called SJWs? How did they take a stand against mainstream gamers? You guys seem pretty sure this has hurt game sales.

They put a disabled woman with a prosthestic arm as a protagonist who fought on the frontlines, an outlandish fantasy level character.
Then they told consumers don't buy it if you don't like it, and started calling consumers names, iirc.

As others have said, women as resistance fighters, snipers, etc. that is in setting. Disabled women with prosthetic arms on the front lines, that is pushing it into fantasy territory. Also note realistic theme /= gameplay mechanics, requiring realism in theme is not the same as realism in gameplay.

Marvel comics tanked when they catered to sjws(note comics /= movies which have not gone into politicizing too much), star wars tanked when it catered to sjws, would BFV be an exception despite low preorders?

 

[Sub_Level]

Lol i thought it was pretty funny

But it was made at the expense of a MARGINALIZED and HISTORICALLY OPPRESSED group therefore it was LITERAL RAPE.

Is what i would say if I was an unhinged individual with a weak grasp on reality.

 

[Reallink]

Who even owns that site?

Though they immediately ban people and insta-lock threads that bring it up, from what I've pieced together, the lead admin and actual owner was a long time Neogaf mod who famously works for a Chinese analytics/data harvesting firm. Presumably he and/or his firm handled the initial design and seed funding, and their privacy policy reflects that. It is sufficiently broad and open ended enough that they can gather anything and sell everything to anyone. While I'm sure most of the rank and file Era admins are there because they were legitimately outraged by Evilore-Gate, there is a strong case that the actual leader(s) and owner(s) probably couldn't give two shits and just seized the opportunity to cash in. I mean if you're allegedly setting up a utopia founded on Progressive ideals, it would be a non-profit making donations to minority based/focused charities, not an LLC. I've also seen mention that a number of prominent career game journos are directly involved (which is why "LOL Game Journalism" jokes/quips are specifically and explicitly prohibited by their CoC). If anyone has the know how and means to search whom the Resetera LLC is registered to, I believe it's public. I'd be interested in seeing how many people are involved, though you won't know how the shares are divided.