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The cloud is going to be an even bigger money sink for MS than Xbox consoles ever were. Game streaming is radically different from movie streaming, because with high end PCs/consoles there's a 1:1 relationship between the number of servers and the number of concurrent players. Instead of selling consoles at a profit (or minor loss), MS would have to pre-finance millions of cloud gaming servers themselves, build and maintain huge server farms and then make that money back through subscriptions and game sales. The financial risks are much larger in this scenario, since there's nothing stopping their Xcloud subscribers from dropping their sub at a whim and switch over to PS or Nvidia en masse when those services have a popular game. Those cloud gamers have no allegiance with a cloud gaming brand like they do when they buy a $400-500 console.

In the leaks they talk about dual purpose servers and ARM. This could be used for both AI and cloud games

 

[havoc00]

Here's your answer:

 

[GHG]

Here's your answer:

People aren't ready for this discussion.

In many ways his leadership has been far more destructive to their console brand than Mattrick ever was.

 

[Kings Field]

Holy fuck indeed.

People are asking for gamepass games to be natively playable on their steam decks and you're here talking about some app that streams from some shitty console which most people in the Steam ecosystem don't have.

It's not what people are asking for, not even close.

Don’t need an Xbox to utilize the app. Maybe do some research before talking about something you have absolutely no fucking idea what you’re talking about.

Edit: unless you’re talking about downloading them to the steam deck then you’re correct.

 

[mckmas8808]

People aren't ready for this discussion.

In many ways his leadership has been far more destructive to their console brand than Mattrick ever was.

NOBODY wants to have this conversation, because he's the CEO that gives the media all the access and free money and gifts.

 

[bender]

Here's your answer:

I'm Don Mattrick and I approved this message.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

You're joking right?

Do you understand what that video you linked is showing?

Videos like that one and other steamdeck troubleshooting is what keeps me from wanting to get one.
I've come to value simplicity a lot more these days. And I'm someone that's built pc's, modded consoles, jailbroke phones, etc. I'm just tired of it all and don't care. haha

 

[GHG]

Don’t need an Xbox to utilize the app. Maybe do some research before talking about something you have absolutely no fucking idea what you’re talking about.

When I looked at this thing the only option was stream from console.

Even if you can stream from the cloud its still not what people are asking for (and that requires a gamepass ultimate sub, the standard PC one won't do).

People want to be able to access their gamepass library natively on the Steam Deck via SteamOS. This isn't complicated stuff.

 

[StereoVsn]

If they really want to attract to more subs on PC they should probably work on their launcher. It is absolutely dogshit and has been since it’s inception. Also try to work something out with Valve to get it working natively on steam deck, but that is probably asking too much.

The issue is not the launcher. Problem lies in their backend architecture for MS store and it’s closed integration into Windows as well as its shit implementation.

 

[Kings Field]

When I looked at this thing the only option was stream from console.

Even if you can stream from the cloud its still not what people are asking for (and that requires a gamepass ultimate sub, the standard PC one won't do).

People want to be able to access their gamepass library natively on the Steam Deck via SteamOS. This isn't complicated stuff.

Of course. Miscommunication brother. The streaming works good but would be better if you can download straight to the deck.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I'm Don Mattrick and I approved this message.

Saved that gif for later. It's

 

[GHG]

Of course. Miscommunication brother. The streaming works good but would be better if you can download straight to the deck.

No sweat.

I genuinely think if they could come up with a native solution for the deck then their subscriptions would increase dramatically. Most of the gamepass library is well suited to the deck and personally it's the number one way I play indie games these days.

 

[bender]

Of course. Miscommunication brother. The streaming works good but would be better if you can download straight to the deck.

No pictures posted yet.

 

[leizzra]

Game Pass on PlayStation and Nintendo is like Trojan Horse in my opinion. Sure, Sony and Nintendo will have their share from it but I can bet that MS don’t want to share their profits with competition. Especially when it could be 30% or more. They could use it to grow their user base and then ditch the platforms in favor of their own (console or streaming).

Also MGS tier GP would be rather weak in longer run because I doubt that they’ll be able to produce more games. It’s even weaker offer I think.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Might have been slighlty misguided on brand direction but he didn't rely on uncle Satya to bail him out by buying up the industry. They still had a focus on games and consoles and there wasn't a heavy push for GamePass.

The clown that is Spencer is driving the Xbox brand to publishing. Are we even still going to be having Xbox hardware around in a the next few years?

Again, Phil is fecking the brand into oblivion more than Mattrick ever did.

 

[Klosshufvud]

People aren't ready for this discussion.

In many ways his leadership has been far more destructive to their console brand than Mattrick ever was.

Never forget Phil actually saying great games won't help Xbox. What a clueless overpaid moron.

 

[mayham2199]

Any what's going on with the PC sub numbers?

MS boast about PC being a big market, but is that really a market that is going to give them the growth they want in the long term?

Biggest hurdle is gamepass is linked to the windows store, whilst alot of the PC gamers are on steam.

I think that will be the problem to getting gamepass to really grow on PC in the long term.

Can't see valve wanting gamepass on steam either.

Valve does want it Gabe said as much. I just think MS can't afford to give Valve what it wants as far as pay.

 

[Godot25]

It's honestly hilarious how is GAF treating Tom Warren.
If he brings some positive Xbox info, he is just fanboy. If he brings negative Xbox info, he is spitting hard cold facts

something, something "we need to feed our narratives?"

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I subscribe to GamePass Ultimate for my Xbox Series X and PC but the truth is that I don't really make full use of as I play most games on my more powerful PC and hardly use the Xbox these days.

And even on PC I find myself constantly put off by Microsoft's clunky Xbox app that has an alarming tendency to 'break' game installs with updates and patches that then throw out infuriatingly vague error codes and an unhelpful 'please try later' message. I have actually got so fed up of these that I ended up uninstalling the GamePass version and actually buying the game on Steam instead!

There simply isn't enough interesting content on GamePass for me that isn't available on other systems and the Xbox's exclusives have been very underwhelming/disappointing so far, even games like Starfield and Forza Motorsport which are either dated (former) or just downright dull (latter).

Once I get an OLED monitor with HDR for my PC, which I intend getting this year, then I will have no use of the Xbox at all or GamePass. I loved the original Xbox and Xbox 360 but I feel that the Xbox has just lost its appeal and no longer has anything to offer me in the way of interesting games that I cannot play elsewhere (PC and PS5).

You can hook your XSX up to the OLED monitor.

 

[Pop]

Shill "journalists" got the latest script, so they're trying their best to calm down the hardcore fans.

What a doofus lol

 

[Mr Moose]

It's honestly hilarious how is GAF treating Tom Warren.
If he brings some positive Xbox info, he is just fanboy. If he brings negative Xbox info, he is spitting hard cold facts

something, something "we need to feed our narratives?"

He's a MS shill no matter what.

 

[Godot25]

He's a MS shill no matter what.

If he is a shill for Microsoft then I don't understand why people are talking about what he is saying

 

[Mr Moose]

If he is a shill for Microsoft then I don't understand why people are talking about what he is saying

Budget cuts.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

It's honestly hilarious how is GAF treating Tom Warren.
If he brings some positive Xbox info, he is just fanboy. If he brings negative Xbox info, he is spitting hard cold facts

something, something "we need to feed our narratives?"

It’s funnier watching it make some of you squirm

 

[bitbydeath]

I'm inept when it comes to technical stuff..someone tell me what hybrid arm means like I'm a 12 year old.

Basically the next Xbox will require streaming to work. The benefits is that the price is/was aimed at being around $99.

 

[SlimySnake]

It's honestly hilarious how is GAF treating Tom Warren.
If he brings some positive Xbox info, he is just fanboy. If he brings negative Xbox info, he is spitting hard cold facts

something, something "we need to feed our narratives?"

Look at the start of the discussion when he's justifying Sea of Thieves being ported to PS5 as part of their new strategy. Thats shilling 101.

When asked by Paul Tassi what this new strategy is, he gives a non answer because he has no fucking clue himself. He just wanted to spin the news of Xbox exclusives going to PS5.

Him saying consoles sales dont matter and gamepass sales dont matter is classic shilling. If nothing matters then MS cant be criticized for any of their failures.

 

[mayham2199]

Just wait

Ah the classic MS tag line. Just wait.

 

[Loomy]

What does ARM tell us about their strategy, exactly?

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Game pass on ps5 alongside other subs like EA Play, GTA+, Uni Play is the future. Sony get their 30% cut on all revenue and everyone's happy.

lol... fuck game pass, Sony thankfully would never make such an idiot move

 

[Mung]

Just keep saying 'console sales don't matter' enough times until people start believing it..
As usual, Warren presents a nonsensical argument

 

[dezzy8]

I dont think there is any surprise here, they will sooner brin g game pass to other platforms and focus on it there than focus on plastic boxes, I think the days of the traditional console platform is almost over.

Probably for Microsoft it is. They're the only one with poor console sales.

 

[iHaunter]

Its no longer the no-brainer deal that it used to be as it's too expensive now. They lost 3 subs just from my house. Now 2 kids in my house only sub for 1 month when there is an expensive game they want to play and then cancel immediately.

LG and Sony make better TVs anyway. Samsung is 3rd.

 

[bitbydeath]

What does ARM tell us about their strategy, exactly?

Read up, the next Xbox is basically the same sort of receiver you find in Samsung TV’s that receive GamePass today. The benefits is that it’ll be dirt cheap and not reliant on consumers having hardware to improve graphics / frame rate.

 

[bitbydeath]

It's honestly hilarious how is GAF treating Tom Warren.
If he brings some positive Xbox info, he is just fanboy. If he brings negative Xbox info, he is spitting hard cold facts

something, something "we need to feed our narratives?"

This information has been known for months.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

People aren't ready for this discussion.

In many ways his leadership has been far more destructive to their console brand than Mattrick ever was.

The biggest difference is that Phil is a much more likeable guy than Mattrick ever was.

Aaron Greenberg and Matt Booty can pound sand, though. Both are unlikeable and I struggle to think of any meaningful accomplishments from either of them.

 

[Jagernaut]

Basically the next Xbox will require streaming to work. The benefits is that the price is/was aimed at being around $99.

If the next Xbox is Arm based it will be a downgrade from the Series X. Arm chips are great for battery powered portable devices (phones, tablets, laptops) because they are very power efficient but they can't compare to the raw power of desktop/console class computer parts that plug into AC outlets.

 

[bitbydeath]

If the next Xbox is Arm based it will be a downgrade from the Series X. Arm chips are great for battery powered portable devices (phones, tablets, laptops) because they are very power efficient but they can't compare to the raw power of desktop/console class computer parts that plug into AC outlets.

It’s a streaming device so power won’t be needed.

 

[Yoboman]

Gaining no growth upon launching the game they basically spent 7.5 billion for would explain alot about them going third party

 

[Alan Wake]

Same, I don't see how some stay subbed for years unless it's for the online games

Convenience.

I've been a subscriber since it launched, minus a few months, and I've used it almost daily, a few times a week at least. Especially these past two years or so. But I guess if I sat down and counted every game played maybe it wasn't a good deal after all. But again: convenience. The games are there, and new games are being added, many of which I would not have tested if I had to pay for them upfront. That's the thing with Game Pass for me.

But having said that, I'm sort of glad Game Pass has not grown more than this because I don't want a service like that to replace games on disc. That's why I keep buying the games I want.

 

[Alan Wake]

Gaining no growth upon launching the game they basically spent 7.5 billion for would explain alot about them going third party

Starfield didn't even move the needle apparently. Must've been a huge disappointment for them. But how hard did they try? Did they even bundle the game and the console?

 

[Moriarty1889]

To hell with Phil and gamepass. Sony doesn’t need that shite at all. MS has become so desperate under Phil and are trying to push their crap on other brands. Sony and Nintendo should tell Phil to shove it and keep his service and let it die off as it has pretty much stagnated on their platform due to crummy console sales.Let gamepass die off just like xbox consoles are.That is what is needed for MS to finally wake up and realize they need to start making quality exclusives for their console and dump their shite gamepass vision which has ruined them. Phil did this to Xbox as I stated before. He was the one who created and pushed gamepass and devalued the console with day one games on PC among other things. He made xbox all about gamepass, a service, while not pushing the console the way he should have. He made stupid statements like ‘great games won’t sell consoles’ and ‘starfield being an 11 out of 10 wont push console sales’………..those statements alone should have gotten him canned. It just shows how clueless he is and where is mindset truly is. He does not care at all about building a console base and creating great exclusive games that drive hardware. He is a moron that is so fixated on his sub services like gamepass and is willing to die on that hill while ruining the xbox brand entirely. Mattrick was more about selling consoles and making games than Phil ever was. He was definitely the lesser of two evils for Xbox. Phil is desperate and it shows by trying to put gamepass on competing platforms just to save face and stay relevant. Trying to get as many crumbs as he can so the brand doesn’t completely starve. Gamepass was the beginning of the end for xbox hardware and the brand in general. Day one releases killed game sales and devalued them. The console is now devalued under Phil’s terrible leadership that is he’ll bent on subs and services like gamepass. It’s a joke how much they are getting outsold by Sony this gen and keeps getting worse with each passing month. Congrats Phil, you sir have ruined Xbox. Sorry for the long rant but it needed to be said.

 

[Alan Wake]

I'm sticking by my theory that there won't be another Xbox. This is it. Xbox Series X|S would be the last Xbox consoles. And they also (reportedly) canceled the refresh (which got leaked) because they are getting out of the console business.

I'm leaning in this direction too. And it saddens me a bit since I've been playing on Xbox for 21 years now. But they just don't manage to get shit together anymore. They destroy brands and make mistakes over and over again. Halo is a mess. Not even Forza Motorsport managed a decent comeback. Xbox feels directionless at best.

 

[mayham2199]

lol... fuck game pass, Sony thankfully would never make such an idiot move

I like the idea of GP but once Sony said it would kill their profits and require them to invest less in games I said no thank you. I like what Sony is doing right now and I'll happily pay for the level of quality I'm getting.

 

[dorkimoe]

i love you xbox, i hope you never leave me

 

[Skifi28]

What does ARM tell us about their strategy, exactly?

That they love the environment and want to be energy efficient. Gives a whole new meaning to green rat.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I never saw the need to continuously sub to Game Pass, unless you’re using Microsoft Rewards to get it for free.

At least on PC, where you can own many of those games that interest you for cheap.
Like Resident Evil 2 is a headliner. It’s a $10 game!

I’ve only ever bothered with the $1 promos. Other than that I’d rather buy what interests me on a far better launcher that actually works.

 

[Kerotan]

Why would Sony want to do this?

The same reason they let other subs like EA Play on playstation. 30% of all revenue playstation players spend on game pass would go to Sony. Million's more would buy a PS5 instead of Xbox.

This would further convince MS to dump all their and Bethesda games on playstation which boosts sales further and leads to more profit.

 

[Esca]

I think people are getting sick of subs in general across everything as more and more shit becomes a sub. Giving vampires on your bank account essentially

 

[Jimmy_liv]

Same, I don't see how some stay subbed for years unless it's for the online games

My kids wanting access to all the shovel-wear on xbox keeps me subbed.

It was fantastic when it launched but content has dried up and xbox have taken too long with their 1p stuff.

 

[onQ123]

What does ARM tell us about their strategy, exactly?

Big Little these devices will scale from handhelds to monsters that get eating for breakfast