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School Shooting at Elementary School in Connecticut [27+ dead including 20+ children]

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Devolution

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Yeah when I was in highschool there was a report of someone coming on campus (this was before they put up gates and shit) with gun. We were basically locked in 4th period class for hours and escorted to the cafeteria since some people wanted lunch.
 
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Guevara

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We have to make a choice. Either public places like schools and malls can be open to the public with minimal security OR we can allow easy access to guns. We can't have both.

I remember growing up my dad could just walk up to my classroom if I forgot my lunch or something. That would never be ok today. The days of just walking onto a campus are done.
 
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Trey

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daw840 said:
Just heard that the entire front office staff are women. Per Fox News of course. Not sure why it matters.
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Now that I think on it, the front office staff in both my high school and elementary school were all women. Huh. Never noticed before.
 
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TheJollyCorner

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levious said:
My kid's elementary school, anyone gets buzzed in and then checks in at the office, that might be all it takes.
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Same here.
Last time I went to pick up my daughter (who was sick) they didn't even ask who I was there for at the door intercom. They just buzzed me right on in. :/
 
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Outdoor Miner

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How depressing. My heart goes out to any parent that lost their child today. I can't think of anything worse that could happen to someone. :/
 
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Walshicus

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levious said:
A child's death is more tragic than an adult's, your view is certainly not the norm.
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Weird how that works.

An adult has far more social connections, far more experience and knowledge that's just lost on their death. The younger a kid is, the less of that they have until they're basically just blank slates whose real value comes from the attachment of their parents and family. A sane, logical society would mourn the old more than the young, if they were forced to differentiate.

Sentimentality's odd, huh?
 
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AlexBasch

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I know is equally horrible to lose a child or a beloved one in any time of the year, but knowing that this kid won't be able to enjoy Christmas with his family is really depressing. :/

Weird how that works.

An adult has far more social connections, far more experience and knowledge that's just lost on their death. The younger a kid is, the less of that they have until they're basically just blank slates whose real value comes from the attachment of their parents and family. A sane, logical society would mourn the old more than the young, if they were forced to differentiate.

Sentimentality's odd, huh?
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What the hell, dude?
 
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Mammoth Jones

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Tunavi said:
People will get guns whether they are regulated or not.
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True. But I think we need to do a better job identifying people with severe mental health issues and getting them help before they disintegrate into a person that walks into an elementary school with a gun...
 
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Ramma2

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I was pissed this morning because my oldest son had his cell phone, house key and trombone mouthpiece fall out of his bookbag in my car on the way to school this morning, so I had to make the 45 min round trip from work to drop it off for him.

Looks like he gets a free pass today. Heart wrenching to read about this stuff.
 
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Mammoth Jones

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rSpooky said:
I really don't understand how this can be used as an argument..really.
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Agreed but then again I don't think the other side of the spectrum makes much sense either:

"Extreme limits for guns for everyone!"

At the end of the day I remain hesitant in this case until we get a clear picture of the shooter and their "motivation". Was he targeting a person? A specific kid? Or just a maniac shooting wildly?
 
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Spunky Monkey

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rSpooky said:
I really don't understand how this can be used as an argument..really.
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Yep it doesn't make sense. If everyone has a gun on them then theres a lot more chance of someone using it because they are angry, drunk etc etc. If they have to go out and get the gun they have preplanned it, thought about it and yes you probably can't stop them. But you can stop those done on a whim.
 
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Walshicus

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KieferCrimson said:
What the hell, dude?
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I mean that's exactly the reaction you get if you actually voice that opinion, but it's not one based on any real logic is it? I just find it an interesting flaw in Human reasoning, though one which has an obvious biological root. "Protect kids, preserve the species".
 
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TheJollyCorner

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Sir Fragula said:
Weird how that works.

An adult has far more social connections, far more experience and knowledge that's just lost on their death. The younger a kid is, the less of that they have until they're basically just blank slates whose real value comes from the attachment of their parents and family. A sane, logical society would mourn the old more than the young, if they were forced to differentiate.

Sentimentality's odd, huh?
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What is your cultural background, if you don't mind me asking?
Not trying to be a dick, just generally curious.
 
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I'm glad I'm home with my kids.

I think the kid vs adult thing comes from the fact that kids are considered more innocent. Also the fact that a kid still has unknown potential for their future, while an adult is considered to have already led a life.
 
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Guevara

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Today's law abiding citizen who can pass a background check is tomorrow's mentally unstable shooter. All it takes is a string of bad luck really, or a chemical change in the brain from drugs or alcohol, or just unknowable factors like depression or dementia.

The least we can do is ban easily concealable weapons like handguns. Dude probably wouldn't have been buzzed in with a hunting rifle on his back.
 
DietRob

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i've been begging for over 5 years.
Fucking devastating news. So much lost potential a Kindergarten class are you fucking serious.. Damn it this gets me so sad and angry at the same time.

WHO CAN BE THIS BIG OF A MONSTER? I don't get it. SMH.
 
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rSpooky

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Spunky Monkey said:
Yep it doesn't make sense. If everyone has a gun on them then theres a lot more chance of someone using it because they are angry, drunk etc etc. If they have to go out and get the gun they have preplanned it, thought about it and yes you probably can't stop them. But you can stop those done on a whim.
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That is how I feel. The threshhold needs to be higher and ammount of ammo and types need to be limited/better controlled.
 
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helloresolven

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Sir Fragula said:
I mean that's exactly the reaction you get if you actually voice that opinion, but it's not one based on any real logic is it? I just find it an interesting flaw in Human reasoning, though one which has an obvious biological root. "Protect kids, preserve the species".
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However, kids have, assumedly, a lot more of their life left. That's what makes it more tragic. They are also generally more innocent of the actions that take part around them.

There's more to this than just your simplistic "oh, old people have more connections/information stored in their head."
 
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Walshicus

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TheJollyCorner said:
What is your cultural background, if you don't mind me asking?
Not trying to be a dick, just generally curious.
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English. It's not a cultural thing though is it? It's a biological imperative that people translate into what they assume to be a universally accepted truth. One that doesn't really stand up to any intellectual rigour. And it's such an ingrained aspect of our psychology that even voicing a dissenting opinion is considered abhorrent.

I mean don't get me wrong - I'm appalled by today's events. It's just that this is the conclusion of a tangent started by a comment I thought was a bit absurd. I'll probably stop now as it's getting very off topic and a little bit disrespectful (which really wasn't the intent).
 
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dorkimoe

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Messofanego said:
Ok, NOW can we have a national discussion on guns?
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No? Can people stop this already? It has nothing to do with guns, its people. Because you know..making something illegal tottaly stops people from doing/having it. Hows that working out for drugs?

Sad to hear that this was a father of a kid? I mean really? cnn reported only 2 adults died no kids?
 
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