If it's during black loading screens that's not burn-in, but mura:
wow thats nasty looking.
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Vita OLED burn in.
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wow thats nasty looking.
Because human eyes sensitivity actually perceives the gray-glow of LCD in darkness, but the only way to capture it on camera sensors is using long-exposure.Frankfurter said:
The order-of difference is captured as well - under light conditions where LCD looks black to you, you won't perceive any Mura on OLED in the same conditions either.
MaxwellParrish
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If you find this comparison bias you should be reassured that even the Takao's picture is in non rapresentative of reality, but exaggerated from long exposition time. After all, to the human eye, even in the dark, only the letter in the PS button are glowing of a blue light, so the contrast must be REAlly off.
TheChewyWaffles
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I thought the iPhone 5 LCD had very good blacks rivaling that of OLED. Or maybe I'm remembering the article wrong.
iRAWRasaurus
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This thread makes me worried :/ BTW does Sony do anything if the OLED does burn out?
Frankfurter
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I... can't. If someone can't tell the difference between a and b, he can't, that's it. It doesn't make sense to scale down both framerates. 30fps is 30fps and 60fps is 60fps, end of the story. If someone can't tell the difference between both for whatever reason he can't.
Durante said:
Thank you
I'm seriously curious how this will look. It's probably difficult to get this worked out, but I guess if I understand the issue correctly than I'll probably just see "nothing" (i.e. a ~perfect black screen) on the Vita, while the LCD will be grey-ish. And if that's the result and the Vita has the Mura effect it'll mean that in "real world conditions" Vita (/OLED) will always be far superior in terms of black level compared to basically everything else (even if Vita/OLED has the Mura effect).I was simply confused because people said that it isn't all that bad, but the Mura picture looked horrible because of all the "green" on the screen. I guess that's also greatly exagerated due to exposure time.
abstract alien
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Every time I even think about getting a Vita, this thread pops into my head. Every, damn, time.
I don't doubt DR2K at all, but has anyone else got the burn in? Trying to see how rare it is.
I've had the mura lines since launch and haven't noticed them for about a year. Burn in would suck if it was severe though...strange, I would of thought if it could happen to one guy it could happen to more, maybe people don't notice? Did you have to look super carefully or something?
I've left my vita on a still screen so many times (connecting to games etc), although the screen always dimmed after 10 minutes.
I've had the mura lines since launch and haven't noticed them for about a year. Burn in would suck if it was severe though...strange, I would of thought if it could happen to one guy it could happen to more, maybe people don't notice? Did you have to look super carefully or something?
I've left my vita on a still screen so many times (connecting to games etc), although the screen always dimmed after 10 minutes.
DR2K
Banned
This is some weird burn-in.
I posted them up in the DOA5 thread if you want more.
Yeah they replaced my machine with a new one. Within warranty.
Hey guys - I wanted to bump this because I posted the IGN blog on page 2 with the burn-in images, but just recently joined the forum. I can answer any questions you have about how I used the system and under what conditions I see the burn-in.
When I wrote that blog post, I chose that purple color to test the Vita for burn-in because it seemed that purple made it the most visible. I believe it's most visible because it has something to do with blue OLEDs burning out the fastest. Purple made it more visible than other colors I tried.
When I wrote that blog post, I chose that purple color to test the Vita for burn-in because it seemed that purple made it the most visible. I believe it's most visible because it has something to do with blue OLEDs burning out the fastest. Purple made it more visible than other colors I tried.
Sorry for the bump but I think my vita has a burn in or mura effect or whatever.
There is a small black dot on the center of the screen that is only noticeable on pitch black screens (such as loading screens) but after playing Marvel vs Capcom 3 I see it in the somewhat dark blue menus as well.
I heard that if it's relatively light and not completely burned in you can put on some special videos that blast color and slow down the process or even reverse it, is that true? At least in the case of OLED? Or am I SOL and it's getting worse?
EDIT: Oh shit I'm a member now?
There is a small black dot on the center of the screen that is only noticeable on pitch black screens (such as loading screens) but after playing Marvel vs Capcom 3 I see it in the somewhat dark blue menus as well.
I heard that if it's relatively light and not completely burned in you can put on some special videos that blast color and slow down the process or even reverse it, is that true? At least in the case of OLED? Or am I SOL and it's getting worse?
EDIT: Oh shit I'm a member now?
Not burn in actually.
It's just the mura effect, which actually starts to go away over time.
At least it has on my two Vitas.
It does? Oh thank god!
I despise downloading games because even after I plug it in and leave it on it goes to sleep and pauses all downloads which is infuriating.
Fortunately today (when I downloaded guacamalee, UmvsC3, killzone beta and darkstalkers) I realized that I could just download 20 or so super colorful pics and leave it running on a fast slideshow. Think that is a good idea?
NinjamicWZ
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Mine is set to sleep after a minute of inactivity. Had it since 02/2012
I had the Killzone Beta go to 95% today in sleep mode before checking it to find it stopped, and had like 10 huge PSOne games DL onto my 8GB card last week w/ no problems. Try this, maybe?
I had the Killzone Beta go to 95% today in sleep mode before checking it to find it stopped, and had like 10 huge PSOne games DL onto my 8GB card last week w/ no problems. Try this, maybe?
OLED inherently suffers from burn in and vita is no excuse. As long as you don't leave the screen running static doing nothing (on power save setting just put it to 1 minute before sleeping) and don't browse the internet on it (there are 2 black bars which never move during internet browsing so using that alot will cause bad burn in) then your good to go.
I really thought it would be a hassle but it's really a no brainer, set it to sleep after 1 minute and don't use the browser. My vita was from my nephew so I got it super cheap and he said he would leave it on constantly so I'm surprised it doesn't have major burn in, just a tiny black spot in the middle of the screen that can only be seen in extremely dark blue/black screens.
Edit: I have no idea what mura is or how I got it but I assume it's a less horrible case of burn in?
I actually tried this and it'll still download but after a while (such as if the download takes more than maybe 15 minutes) it'll just pause the download. I heard this was because it wastes battery and charging it while sleeping solves the problem but nope.
So now I'm just gonna download about 20 or so super colorful pictures and leave it running on slideshow. Seems much better (I'd download a long video but memory space you know).
Sorry for the double post and bump but looks like my "mura effect" or whatever is getting worse. It only used to show up during black screens but now I'm seeing it on darker colors (except green colors) even when playing.
Getting really annoying seeing that in UMvsC3.
So I was thinking of just having this video run all night tonight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN-KIlsxxOw
I know it says for HD LCD screens but I really have no other options. The Vita is used so no warranty, am I SOL?
Getting really annoying seeing that in UMvsC3.
So I was thinking of just having this video run all night tonight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN-KIlsxxOw
I know it says for HD LCD screens but I really have no other options. The Vita is used so no warranty, am I SOL?
LiquidMetal14
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Still rocking a perfect no burn in vita and it gets a ton of use with me and, my wife playing P4G, and the kids watching youtube cartoons.
3ds screen is a whole different level of bad.All of a sudden, 3DS' screen isn't half-bad.
It wasn't bad in the first place.
There's nothing cheap about OLED displays (from Samsung). It's probably the most expensive display technology. iPad 3 was using Samsung screens, the previous iPad's were using LG screens. But Apple had to go to Samsung, because they were the only one that could deliver the high quality 2048x1536 resolution screens. Both LG and Sharp failed to deliver them. Apple only stopped using them because of the lawsuit.
And OLED screens are easier to get burn-in problems because it's using organic compounds. It's a totally different technology than the ones you mentioned, that is used in the iPad/Nexus. Which are TFT-LCD screens.
The Vita/OLED screen is gorgeous because of it's popping colours, wide viewing angles and infinite black levels. The downside is of course it's more prone to burn-in.
you feeling ok?
It is an IPS and a good one at that. But it will eventually.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
All of a sudden, 3DS' screen isn't half-bad.
It wasn't bad in the first place.
3DS has the worst screen in a modern device, I'd take burn in risks any day of the week.
Lg makes the apple screens. Not sure about the stint with Samsung, but they always made inferior screens.
I deal with all sorts of panels everyday and the oleds samsungs make just saturate the colors. You can get the same effect with IPS. The best part about IPS is good color gradation when falling off into black. As you will see on the vita and some galaxies, there is banding and green tint with darker images.
Edit: Man I should clean this screen..typos everyhwre
Is there something different with AMOLED screens, because I've never had a burn in on one of those?
Eh, it's Nintendo, you wouldn't expect them to use the best or most expensive screens. I think the screen is okay on the OG 3DS. It has an acceptable dpi. The 3DS XL though, the huge screen paired with the low resolution just hurts the IQ too much. That's why I still haven't upgraded, I want to, since i'm playing so much 3DS lately.
The worst screens in modern devices goes to Sony smartphones (Xperia Z etc.). They are supposed to be flagship phones, they are expensive and yet uses standard LCD screens with terrible viewing angles.
PoweredBySoy
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Well that's about the only thing mura could offend, because it's unnoticeable in game.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
The rapture thread completely broke my sarcasm meter, I don't know who's joking anymore.
They don't have to use one of the best screens but they shouldn't be using one of the worse either. It's the resolution I hate about 3DS screen and I haven't seen a Xperia screen so I can't comment on that.
This is a serious and educated discussion about useless electronics. So please...pls.
I'm sorry, Mr. Serious. XD
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
They are definitely cheaper but they are apparently garbage and OLED is best for gaming.
I'm posting this from a Sony tablet. I also went from OLED Lumia to LCD Xperia. Not garbage, and I don't see how OLED would be "better for gaming".
Dont compare $700 phones to $199 handheld. Compare $199 handheld to $199 phones or $199 3ds. And yes, the vita screen looks leagues better than other $199 devices.
that does nothing
it's a inherit property of the oled screen
a big reason i stopped play my vita
Ah, I see. Thanks
Lol, you stopped playing because of the mura effect during pure black screens? Did your unit have it particularly bad or something?
frankie_baby
Member
My galaxy nexus is amoled and has had the keyboard permanently imprinted on the screen since only a couple of months after I got it
petethepanda
Member
Wonder if this is related to why Sony doesn't allow you to disable auto-dimming on the Vita.