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First critics impressions for Doctor Strange (Social media) - Embargo lifts Sunday
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XANDER CAGE
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That's putting it lightly.
Heart of MCU is what made it so successful. Them being formulaic or not is open to discussion but ''no heart'' ?
Yeah, no.
excelsiorlef
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Meh... so lump the Iron Mans and the Cross over flicks with the Super Hero movies and put a star next to 3 to denote that it is absolutely a personal drama about PTSD in a Super Hero package and that the cross over ones are heavily dipped in continuity of all that came before (which is rare for films that feature so many different leads characters)
My point still stands that the films vary in genre and that Super Hero works more as a package or contextual framework for bringing different genres together more so than as a genre all on it's own.
XANDER CAGE
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They really don't vary that much in genre. They are all slightly different flavors of superhero movie. I'm not saying that's inherently bad, but you are reaching really hard to praise their variety here. Marvel movies absolutely follow a formula.
I really like Iron Man 3 fwiw, but you're kinda confusing themes for genre here.
Monocle
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Yeah that's some straight up revisionist stick-in-the-mud grumpycat bullshit.
Good thing Marvel's version of "the same" = awesome diverse action movies with similar tonal notes (mostly the humor) but distinct identities.
Iron Man is an action movie about a billionaire who has to reconsider his place in the world when he realizes that his actions and contributions have negative effects. His answer is to put on a robot suit and kill a business rival.
Iron Man 2 is an action movie about a billionaire who has to reconsider his place in the world when he realizes that his actions and contributions have negative effects. His answer is to put on a robot suit and kill a business rival.
Iron Man 3 is an action movie about a billionaire who has to reconsider his place in the world when he realizes that his actions and contributions have negative effects. His answer is to put on a robot suit and kill a business rival.
I really like Iron Man, I fucking LOVE Iron Man 3, and I'm kinda annoyed by Iron Man 2. What's are the differences? The execution. The tone. The script. Thematically they're largely the same movie recycled over and over, and genre wise there's no question as to what the target audience is when shit starts exploding.
And this is OKAY. We can say all that, and still acknowledge they are good movies. There's no need to overcompensate or pretend they are more than what they are.
P.S. Shane Black rocks.
Iron Man 2 is an action movie about a billionaire who has to reconsider his place in the world when he realizes that his actions and contributions have negative effects. His answer is to put on a robot suit and kill a business rival.
Iron Man 3 is an action movie about a billionaire who has to reconsider his place in the world when he realizes that his actions and contributions have negative effects. His answer is to put on a robot suit and kill a business rival.
I really like Iron Man, I fucking LOVE Iron Man 3, and I'm kinda annoyed by Iron Man 2. What's are the differences? The execution. The tone. The script. Thematically they're largely the same movie recycled over and over, and genre wise there's no question as to what the target audience is when shit starts exploding.
And this is OKAY. We can say all that, and still acknowledge they are good movies. There's no need to overcompensate or pretend they are more than what they are.
P.S. Shane Black rocks.
Psychoward
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Shocking, social media critics like a superhero movie
Anyway it seems to be good so I do actually have high hopes for this one
Anyway it seems to be good so I do actually have high hopes for this one
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Transhuman
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Monocle is right, the dumbed-down humour most of the films share is why he and many others of us don't like the films.
I'm willing to up my ante to 2.5!
God damn you. Now I really want a DC Watchowski movie.
frankie_baby
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its out on Tuesday
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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Huh. It's out next Tuesday.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Give them Superman and force them to have another writer to temper their crazy shit and we've got a masterpiece that will probably bomb but I'll be the happiest man on earth.
It would probably suck like Jupiter Ascending.
Jupiter Ascending is in Batman and Robin territory for me. Yeah, it sucks but it was one of the most entertaining films that I watched that year. Absolutely hilarious. I'll never be able to take Eddie Redmayne seriously no matter how many Oscars he wins.
peanutbutterlatte
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Just don't see how the films are "cookie cutter" outside the three act structure and "Hero's Journey" elements that almost every single film use.
Getting bored of any discussion of Marvel descending into how gauche and trivial the films are and how we're all missing some horrible flaw.
Civil War was fantastic, this probably wont be bad either. Some people need to seriously tone their vitriol down.
Getting bored of any discussion of Marvel descending into how gauche and trivial the films are and how we're all missing some horrible flaw.
Civil War was fantastic, this probably wont be bad either. Some people need to seriously tone their vitriol down.
Monocle
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Dumbed down? Like, not intelligent enough? Or do you hate wisecracking in general?
Never mind, I don't really care why you don't like thing. I've never not enjoyed a Marvel movie's humor, so whatevs.
ZackieChan
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excelsiorlef
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Touche... I disagree that they don't vary but they probably don't vary as much as I was trying to say they were.
It would probably suck like Jupiter Ascending.
Maybe, maybe not. JA could have been better if it wasn't so convoluted. Give them a comic book character with a simple premise and a good story and let them do their thing.
Either way I would be there day one.
Exactly. They are a staple of WB. I imagine they had to at least have been approached. Aren't one of the sisters taking a break from filmmaking? After Speed Racer, they have my complete loyalty to at least watch anything they do.
No lans ever turned a city upside down before in cinema. Nolan I say.
excelsiorlef
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This was what I was trying to get at
Monocle
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Marvel movies are just so, um... generic! Yeah, that's it! And predictable. If you're watching a Marvel movie, there is definitely going to be humor and action in it. And not good humor either. Sarcastic humor. Like the kids do on their Twatchats and Facesnaps. Also, the action will be "cool."
chung_sao_ming
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It opens in 5 days in the UK.
He's using reverse-psychology to make you feel that the lukewarm action scenes, the ham-fisted thematics and the "funny" one liners are "cool" and the people not enjoying them "old".
Lol..
I actually realized that I didn't read "not" in his post, so now I see he likes it.
Triggerhappytel
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Yeah, that's one area where I think they've never slipped up.
Well, they've made films in an awful lot of different genres, like spy (Winter Soldier), space adventure (GotG), fantasy Shakespeare shit (Thor), heist adventure (Ant Man) and so on. Seems like Doctor Strange might again have a different feel and flavour, which is great if they've managed it.
In theory, but there's clearly a template there.
Which produces some films that are better than others.?
So pushing boundaries is using whatever movie sub-genre fits their superhero catalogue?
Monocle
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I wouldn't say old so much as uptight and almost theatrically peevish, like a guy who brings his lance and warhorse to a trombone fight.
pants
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That's like your opinion man (same for me)
I dont understand you, you quoted my opinion and offered your opposing opinion in an attempt to, uhm i dunno .. show that i'm 'wrong'? It's opinions, we arent in a debate with facts and stuff. Me offering my opinion shouldn't immediately trigger a contra opinion in response. I'd hope that if you were interested in my opinion to start with you'd ask specific questions about why i feel this way to maybe understand my viewpoint or something. Me saying 'i like sweets!' and you going 'i dont like sweets!' as a reply doesn't stimulate any conversation
Puck Beaverton
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I want to live in a world where Winter Soldier was similar to a Le Carre adaptation. It's more Bourne in costumes.
I just can't get any hype for this film. Every time I see it I think of Thor and how that turned out. I've enjoyed most of the other Marvel films (IM2 and Thor 2 are bad, Cap 1 is dull) but something about Benedict Cumberbatch doing magic just makes it seem a bit stupid. Which is weird because I'm enjoying the current Doctor Strange comic book run.
Glass Rebel
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Phase 3 movies looking like a cut above the rest. Can't wait to see it next week.
It's amazing how (apparently) Marvel keeps putting out this good to great movies with (somewhat) unpopular or rather unknown characters while WB even manages to fuck up movies with Batman and Joker in it.
Even though especially the second Thor isn't all that great it's still a good sunday afternoon flick. Honestly that's all I ask for from these kinds of movies.
Let's not act like Thor 2 is as terrible as the new Spiderman movies or Green Lantern.
Even though especially the second Thor isn't all that great it's still a good sunday afternoon flick. Honestly that's all I ask for from these kinds of movies.
Let's not act like Thor 2 is as terrible as the new Spiderman movies or Green Lantern.
I think its a natural reaction to someone learning how to reproduce a good product of any kind really. People love the chase, but perhaps get bored once the catch is made (or whatever).
From reading the way people speak of the MCU, you would assume its the easiest, copy and paste, formulaic shit ever.
Yet despite everyone in their mother, from DC to fucking Lego straight up copying the Cinematic Universe vibe; no one else has yet come close to what Marvel has achieved and IS achieving currently.
You would think such a formulaic and easily predictable blueprint would be muuuuch easier to xerox.
Or maybe..... just maybe..
Honestly, I'd rather watch the ASM movies again than the Thor movies. Thor 1 is a terrible watch the second time and Thor 2 was a terrible watch the first time.
How exactly are they comparable?
Well, for one thing, people always talk about "Pixar films" and "Marvel films" rather than "Jon Favreau films" and "Andrew Stanton films" and so on,
But more than anything else, the idea of a studio picking a particular formula and having a strong producer influence (particularly at a story level) seems pretty comparable to me.
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Transhuman
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Pixar makes billion dollar movies exploring complex themes of abandonment and the struggle to find self-acceptance that remain accessible to critics as well as children, using boundary-pushing computer animation techniques that have more profoundly changed the cinema landscape in the last 15 years than arguably any other film studio.
Marvel makes billion dollar movies, too.
Glass Rebel
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I can't even tell what's parody anymore.
excelsiorlef
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