Maybe legislation to protect real children would pass easier if some politicians didn't intentionally create a grey area that could lead to censorship of art?
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Japan's ruling party to reintroduce child pornography law revision
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I'm all for smaller less bloated legislation. But they tack these on to try and pass something that is divided or unpopular with something has to happen. and In this instance I would budge on the side of creative liberty to allow for some human decency and protection.
Deified Data
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My point has been that outlawing actual child porn while keeping harmless loli/shota stuff should be quite simple. If we have a disagreement outside of that I don't know what it is.
Of course if it were all or nothing I couldn't care less if they banned underage hentai if it meant also banning real child porn. There's just no rational explanation for why they're being grouped together in this instance.
I would agree, because the artistic side would fall in a grey area that could be fought in court should they try to enforce that end of it. However, I still think it's worth being concerned about because politicians have tried and failed to outlaw the art before and are obviously now trying to sneak it into legitimate laws.
Politicians are gross. There shouldn't be any need to push political agendas in order to protect real children.
chickdigger802
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Not too familiar with japanese politics, but how competent are they? How corrupt are they?
They sleepin with the highschool girls?
They sleepin with the highschool girls?
The only people who are going to enact video games are impressionable children or mentally insane adults. We already have institutions in place to deal with both.
Have you considered that this might be why possession of child pornography is still legal in Japan? If politicians are more interested in playing legal games than actually putting something into law, and there is a strong enough resistance against bills would could have a strong impact on the entertainment industry due to possible censorship enforcement due to vague terms, then such bills will never pass, even though the main intent of the bill is something everyone agrees needs to happen.
Seems like they're pretty serious. Some of the proponents of the bill have previously signed a bill that moves various animes and mangas into the (normally reserved for porn) 18 and over section.
Looking at it from child pornography they aren't serious about it. Looking at if from chilling the anime and manga industry, they're extremely serious about it. As the article noted, one of backing parties expanded the number of anime, manga and video-games that were harmful publications and needed to 18 and over only. Meanwhile, anime and manga makers are opposing it. The restoration party is using the legislation to trojan their agenda in.
It most certainly is a major reason, and its quite detestable to be honest. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the entertainment industries where lobbying against portions related to drawn depictions of youth at the expense of banning cp.
I wonder how some guys here justify buying the next call of duty, GTA5, watch any kind of violent movie or are against banning of violent games and movies for that matter.
Must take some pretty heavy mental gymnastics and hypocrisy.
real life pedophilia = crime
games, drawings of pedophilia = victimless/thought crime = ?now real life crime/banned?
real life violence = crime
games, drawings of violence = victimless/thought crime = ?apparently should now be a real life crime/banned?
I always wondered what the legal punishment for drawings should be lol.. jail time? a fine?
get on the sex offender list in the us? maybe someone can help me out here i don’t get it.
Must take some pretty heavy mental gymnastics and hypocrisy.
real life pedophilia = crime
games, drawings of pedophilia = victimless/thought crime = ?now real life crime/banned?
real life violence = crime
games, drawings of violence = victimless/thought crime = ?apparently should now be a real life crime/banned?
I always wondered what the legal punishment for drawings should be lol.. jail time? a fine?
get on the sex offender list in the us? maybe someone can help me out here i don’t get it.
Forceatowulf
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I'm probably one of the most gung ho motherfuckers when it comes to child porn you will ever meet (used to work at a Day Care). I think possession of legit CP should have some crazy harsh punishments. Period.
That being said, I don't see the need to ban anime/cartoon garbage. There is no victim there. Like.. at all. It's an imaginary character in an imaginary scenario. I really don't give much of a shit about that... I want resources, time, and money dedicated to getting rid of real CP and CP rings alike. Wasting those efforts on a bunch of losers spanking it to the power puff girls or whatever the fuck is just meaningless.
That being said, I don't see the need to ban anime/cartoon garbage. There is no victim there. Like.. at all. It's an imaginary character in an imaginary scenario. I really don't give much of a shit about that... I want resources, time, and money dedicated to getting rid of real CP and CP rings alike. Wasting those efforts on a bunch of losers spanking it to the power puff girls or whatever the fuck is just meaningless.
Regulus Tera
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GAINAX was showing fourteen year old titties all the way back to Gunbuster, bro.
Ah yes the Gainax Bounce. Good old Anno god bless his soul.
perfectchaos007
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Just un-censor penetration in porn and maybe the public won't have to stoop to such levels to get off in the first place?
Regulus Tera
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Too bad he sold it to the devil when making Rebuild.
Too bad he sold it to the devil when making Rebuild.
Well the first two were pretty decent! That's coming from a guy who swears by the original 26 episodes too! I still haven't watched my copy of 3.33 yet, been holding it off while dealing with my uni stuff. Will watch tomorrow! It better be good
We totally turned this into an Anno thread. Success!
BladeoftheImmortal
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In his defense, she is quite cute.
Hate to break it to you, Gainax already is dead.
Delusibeta
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Same question as the last thread: what does this mean for the legal status of Led Zeppelin's Houses of the Holy in Japan?
Yoko is 18...Yoko is 18...Yoko is 18...Yoko is 18...Yoko is 18...Yoko is 18...Yoko is 18...Yoko is 18...
Japan is screwed.
Regulus Tera
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CGI Evangelions are something that should not be tolerated under any circumstance.Well the first two were pretty decent! That's coming from a guy who swears by the original 26 episodes too! I still haven't watched my copy of 3.33 yet, been holding it off while dealing with my uni stuff. Will watch tomorrow! It better be good
We totally turned this into an Anno thread. Success!
Yeah I thought so but it's always been all over the place but yeah I remember reading the official guide and remember it saying she's 18 at the start of the anime. Huzzah!
Double Huzzah!
BocoDragon
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Well that much is for sure! The original Eva series looks incredible even today. Even with all the errors and inconsistencies it has a warm human touch to it. It looks far better then then stuff in Rebuild and the designs were far better in the original series but I have enjoyed Rebuild so far for what it is I suppose. If I get anything out of 3.33 it'll be the OST. Good stuff. But I digress.
Taylor Lautner was 17 I believe.
Which is 1 year too young considering the impact it had, but I doubt he cares.
PetriP-TNT
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People here really seem to underestimate the true art of south Korean loli-factory manga-ga masters.
Huw_Dawson
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I don't like banning things, but images that glorify having sexual relations with children should be illegal worldwide.
Because statistics are good, does anyone have accurate numbers for sexual crimes againt children in Japan compared to other countries?
Because statistics are good, does anyone have accurate numbers for sexual crimes againt children in Japan compared to other countries?
BocoDragon
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Porn in general is illegal in South Korea.
BrokenEchelon
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Atelier games cancelled for all time? Please say it's so!
Pretend child porn never hurt anyone, but criminalizing possession of it sure will.
Posession of actual child porn should be illegal as long as they don't blindly lock up anyone who is sent a text or email with it or linked to a site that has it.
4chan used to have fun linking people to fed honey pots, for example.
Posession of actual child porn should be illegal as long as they don't blindly lock up anyone who is sent a text or email with it or linked to a site that has it.
4chan used to have fun linking people to fed honey pots, for example.
Hoya Destroyer
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Even I, someone who LOATHES all types of anime, would have to agree with this.
If the existence and legality of cartoon kiddy porn lowers the number of real life child victims, then I guess its best to have it there.
I feel awful for saying it, but ultimately, the safety of real life kids should be the priority.
Yea, I agree with this. Outright banning it will not end well. Look at the drug war - yes, I'm comparing it to the drug war - anytime you try to repress a part of human desire, people will find a way around it, and fighting that with brute force ends ugly. If you can provide an outlet for people to act out their desires in a way that doesn't harm people, i think that's the safest thing. People need to stop treating pedophiles like CRIMINALS BURN WITH FIRE, and more like real people who have a problem. Same with heavy drug users.
This.
CornBurrito
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Are you seriously suggesting that porn censorship turns people into pedophiles? I wanna see the receipts.
chickdigger802
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my theory of why japan is suffering low child birth is due to censorship. How would guys know which hole to stick it into???
Lord Ghirahim
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Stitch
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they only pixelate the vajayjay
chickdigger802
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Maybe guys lose their boner when they see the actual thing now.
How can an issue so simple, be so complicated?
A real person has rights a drawing doesn't.
Japan should get its shit together, outlaw the possession of real CP and be done with it, how hard can it be?
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I also find it weird that some people think that if you remove drawn loli hentai, somehow pedophiles will stop existing (?).
Things aren't that simple unfortunately, and you can't put your head into the sand and hope shit will stop existing.
You have to actually tackle it, in the most reasonable way.
A real person has rights a drawing doesn't.
Japan should get its shit together, outlaw the possession of real CP and be done with it, how hard can it be?
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I also find it weird that some people think that if you remove drawn loli hentai, somehow pedophiles will stop existing (?).
Things aren't that simple unfortunately, and you can't put your head into the sand and hope shit will stop existing.
You have to actually tackle it, in the most reasonable way.
jim-jam bongs
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Totes brah, you just won the internet
award for not reading the thread before posting
Honestly the way this has been framed it's almost like the legislators are trying to prevent the important laws from being passed by turning it into a civil rights issue. It's like the rider principle in the US, tack an unpopular rider to a bill which is sure to pass so that you can destroy it.
Well that's absolutely sick.
Yeah, I knew that would happen, but it's a long-ass thread.
Anyway, I don't see any consensus on the matter, or much real discussion from people in the know either. ... Actually that's just because I've heard all these same arguments for and against lolicon productions before.
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