soundwave05 said:If that ever happened, Sony might as well just quit.
Apple is the one company that can make the vaunted Sony brand prestige seem uncool to consumers.
Especially with women.
soundwave05 said:If that ever happened, Sony might as well just quit.
Apple is the one company that can make the vaunted Sony brand prestige seem uncool to consumers.
Error2k4 said:hell, Drinky I love my PSP too, but 14 games? I can't name more than 4 or 5 good psp games right now.
soundwave05 said:They didn't even sell 1 million PSPs in 2005 in the November + December window last Christmas combined according to NPD.
Pimpbaa said:A super powerful nintendo console with standard controllers. One can dream
Ponn01 said:Now do a poll here over the holidays and Castlevania DoS would be at the top of lists. Compared to Nintendogs and Brain Training though the sell through was not so great. Now when companies are looking at what to do which one are they going to take more into consideration?
Izzy said:Are you sure?
soundwave05 said:Pretty sure. Their estimates for year end sales in North America were ridiculous ... something like 3 million ... I know for sure they didn't even come close to that.
Forgotten Ancient said:Sony's incurred a lot of debts, but the gaming industry is their bread and butter. They'll bleed as much as they have to to drain the life out of their competitors. It will hardly work on Microsoft, but I fear that, under the wrong circumstances, it could happen to Nintendo.
soundwave05 said:So if Pokemon Diamond/Pearl and the $99 price point basically swings the GBA audience towards DS (high probability) ... wouldn't PSP basically have to "dwarf" GBA-level sales in North America?
Use some real common sense.
How realistic is a situation like that anyway?
Is Sony going to sell 10 million PSPs a year in North America?
They didn't even sell 1 million PSPs in 2005 in the November + December window last Christmas combined according to NPD.
Pimpbaa said:You'll be bitter too when they stop or slow down producing games like castlevania or popular nintendo franchises on the DS due to them not being it's target demographic.
conker said:Nintendo, on the other hand, does NOT play that game - they offer affordable shit from day one and profit from day one. So far, it hasn't been enough to beat out Sony, in the console race, and they've basically kept pace with MS. But if their aggressive strategy with the DS is any indication, Nintendo may gain some ground with the Revolution - they could even own Japan.
The biggest threat to Nintendo's handheld dominance is NOT the PSP, or a new PSP. (Or a redesigned PSP being launched soon, which is a possibility ).
The biggest threat comes from Microsoft. They could easily apply their same tactics and launch a powerful handheld at a price that makes them lose tons of money. I'm certain MS is tossing ideas around as I type this. I don't htink they'll make a move, however, until the X360 launch dust settles, and the PSP/DS sales start to wane. MS needs to do a bit of planning on how they'll attract the Japanese market while still maintaining their frat boy halo fest american fans.
But basically - PSP beta out DS? I doubt it. I really doubt it. Even in the US market, I still kinda doubt it.
AdmiralViscen said:I bought mine in 2001.
CV sold above and beyond expectations, and a sequel is already in the works. Fact.
MKDS, AC, M&L2, CVOS, and others are outpacing sales of previous entries in the series on a larger userbase. Fact.
Non games don't interfere with the creation of normal games. I'm really shocked that site full of game-lovers would be so closed-minded. Did GTA and Halo's success prevent SotC and RE4 from coming out? No. Ridiculous.
Ponn01 said:Did anyone say otherwise for that? In fact I clearly said that no that didn't stop other games for being made. But the top selling games did create an influx of clones. And how were SoTC and RE4 sales compared to GTA and Halo? Seeing a market flooded with SoTC clones or GTA clones?
conker said:Doubt it.
Sony's stock holders will be pissed off enough at the billion dollar+ loss the PS3 launch will generate.
That loss will roll into 2007 when the PS3 is launched in all territories.
Sony won't be able to release a new handheld until at least late 2008 without SERIOUSLY pissing off investors, who are already generally unhappy with Sony's earnings.
Sony's game division is essentially what's keeping the company afloat.
Now, the PS3 will generate shittons of cash, but not until tie ratios go way up, and production costs go way down.
Sony DOES like to bleed now to make money later and to hurt the competition, but with MS in the race, there's no way Sony can play that game and last.
Nintendo, on the other hand, does NOT play that game - they offer affordable shit from day one and profit from day one. So far, it hasn't been enough to beat out Sony, in the console race, and they've basically kept pace with MS. But if their aggressive strategy with the DS is any indication, Nintendo may gain some ground with the Revolution - they could even own Japan.
The biggest threat to Nintendo's handheld dominance is NOT the PSP, or a new PSP. (Or a redesigned PSP being launched soon, which is a possibility ).
The biggest threat comes from Microsoft. They could easily apply their same tactics and launch a powerful handheld at a price that makes them lose tons of money. I'm certain MS is tossing ideas around as I type this. I don't htink they'll make a move, however, until the X360 launch dust settles, and the PSP/DS sales start to wane. MS needs to do a bit of planning on how they'll attract the Japanese market while still maintaining their frat boy halo fest american fans.
But basically - PSP beta out DS? I doubt it. I really doubt it. Even in the US market, I still kinda doubt it.
I can't really see it anywhere besides the UK, Korea and maybe a few Asian markets. From what little we've seen DS is spanking PSP in every other PAL market though, by nearly JP levels.Forgotten Ancient said:I don't think the PSP will outdo the DS in any region but Europe/Australia, but it's far from an open and shut case at this point.
Mama Smurf said:I don't know if it's been mentioned, I started skimming when the topic got too long, but a game like Brain Training takes up fuck all resources. It's not like Nintendo would developer Brain Training at the expense of a Zelda or whatever.
Ninendo could hire 20 people and put out 4 or more Brain Training games a year I reckon. Not only would that not take anything away from the traditional games in development, it would probably help them as the huge profits made off the BT games would allow a company to take more risks with software they're not sure will sell.
AdmiralViscen said:Your entire point was that standard games weren't selling well because of "non-games"
But all of the mainstrem, normal games on DS are outpacing sales of their counterparts, so what you said is factually incorrect. You specifically used Castlevania as an example, even though it matched sales of AoS in only three months despite an installed base 1/3 the size. A sequel is already in the works, with no Castlevania: Non Game Spinoff announced.
The success of DS or its "non-games" (which are, in fact, games) will have NO EFFECT on mainstream, normal, "regular game" sales. It's simply a new genre of video games. And they will tend to appeal to a sort of person who will never buy a CV game anyway. Maybe Brain Training will serve as their gateway drug to the very "real games" you think the game will kill off.
Ponn01 said:So you honestly think third parties and Nintendo will be able to split their time, money and energy into creating enough games to satisfy everyone? Interesting, especially given the track record. Good luck with that then. Like I said, thankfully I have other choices if it doesn't work out that way.
Ponn01 said:It was? News to me. My point was "non-games" are most of the biggest sellers on the DS and shows a leaning in that market. Just like how the PS2 wasn't really defined till GTA did gangbuster numbers then suddenly after that you had your defining game for PS2. Occasionaly I do like some of those type of games, and thankfully on the PS2 they are not the only type of games. Same with Xbox and FPS, though for me less so. Never said other games weren't selling well because of Non-games. What I did say was though that publishers looking for a game to put on the DS would be looking at that market and seeing the numbers that are being made from those non-games compared to the other games.
jarrod said:DS is spanking PSP in every other PAL market though, by nearly JP levels.
Well, I'm still waiting on SCB's multiple higher estimates.Izzy said:Are you sure?
Forgotten Ancient said:Next Gen: U.S. sales of Sony PSP will dwarf those of DS over the next 5 years
Who said anything about Japan?
I <3 Katamari said:You're "over" Nnitendo "overcharging" low-tech? Um, DS is the ONLY weak system they have ever put out, idiot. And $130 is "overcharging"? Give me a break.
You would appreciate it if they would spend smoe money to compete? Hey bright one, the DS EXISTING is due to the PSP. The reason why the DS is so awesome has a lot to do with the PSP existing. Because the PSP is great and competition for Nintendo (at least in America and Europe), it pushes Nintendo to make the DS as awesome as it is.
Anyone that "hopes" a system wins is pathetic. The PSP are DS are BOTH good. This is a fact. I think DS is a lot better, but PSP is very good too.
They will both survive (although PSP will never overtake DS in Japan). So just play the one you like and shut up.
Ponn01 said:It was? News to me. My point was "non-games" are most of the biggest sellers on the DS and shows a leaning in that market. Just like how the PS2 wasn't really defined till GTA did gangbuster numbers then suddenly after that you had your defining game for PS2. Occasionaly I do like some of those type of games, and thankfully on the PS2 they are not the only type of games. Same with Xbox and FPS, though for me less so. Never said other games weren't selling well because of Non-games. What I did say was though that publishers looking for a game to put on the DS would be looking at that market and seeing the numbers that are being made from those non-games compared to the other games.
Oblivion said:I'm not following. You say that a game like GTA defined the PS2, but it was okay because despite the clones, the PS2 had a ton of other games. The exact same thing could be said about the DS, just replace GTA with the non-games.
and that's great for Konami, but i'm talking about down the road if this trend keeps up. I don't know the future, but like I said publishers are going to be looking at the numbers and they are leaning at the moment. It also doesn't help much that Nintendo has made their mission statement of specifically going after non-gamers.
So you honestly think third parties and Nintendo will be able to split their time, money and energy into creating enough games to satisfy everyone? Interesting, especially given the track record. Good luck with that then. Like I said, thankfully I have other choices if it doesn't work out that way.
xaosslug said:PM me in a few years, after GT: Mobile and FFVII: Before Crisis Core are released and PSP's got a more diverse library with all your weighty proclamations on how "PSP will never overtake DS in Japan", such statements are a wee bit premature and post-traumatic at the moment. Also, if any company's earned the benefit of the doubt, it's Sony, considering they overtook Nintendo and put Sega out of the console business to become the best selling games console EVER in only two generations.
Thankfully you seem to have spared us the former. Could work on the latter a bit though, you could get banned or something.xaosslug said:Wow, you REALLY love the DS, I can tell, you're doing an awful job attempting to come off nonpartisan. Oh, and--jackASS much? Way to get someone to take your argument seriously.
jarrod said:Thankfully you seem to have spared us the former. Could work on the latter a bit though, you could get banned or something.
jarrod said:The only trend I see going is PSP's perpetully decresing Japanese software sales neutering it support in the region and transforming it's worldwide library into what's essentially a handheld Xbox. Welcome to 2nd place Sony fans.
Sony's Xbox. If I say that into a mirror 3 times, you think I'll summon Kaching?
Ignatz Mouse said:That said, the anti-PSP vibe here is amazing. Suggest that it might be successful and a bunch of righteous assholes are there to tell you that it's library sucks.
Oblivion said:You could switch PSP with DS for the same effect.
Oblivion said:You could switch PSP with DS for the same effect.
Oblivion said:You could switch PSP with DS for the same effect.
Ignatz Mouse said:I think that the article is silly-- if anytinhg has been apparent in the last 15 years of gaming, it's that fortunes can change unpredictably.
That said, the anti-PSP vibe here is amazing. Suggest that it might be successful and a bunch of righteous assholes are there to tell you that it's library sucks.
GreenGlowingGoo said:It's not the suggestion that it's successful, it's that the sales will dwarf that of the DS. The article takes inacurate numbers, and then tries to predict sales 5 years into the future. Which is 2 years longer than the general length of a handheld's lifespan. I just don't see the credibility.
Some of us don't resort to name calling.Ignatz Mouse said:But I'm happy to call the anti-PSP folk assholes. Go ahead and call the anti-DS people assholes, if they bug you.
AdmiralViscen said:PS2, post GTA: Gran Turismo, God of War, Final Fantasy X-2, Shadow of the Colossus, a million others
XBox: post Halo: Morrowind, KOTOR, Ninja Gaiden, Fable, dozens of others.
DS, post Brain Training: ...More non-games. Period.
This trend? What trend? The current trend is for known properties to sell better on DS than they did on GBA at its peak.
If publishers look at non-game sales and decide to sell non-games (WHICH ARE STILL GAMES), then they can do like that other guy said and devote about 10 or 15 people to a team to create a non-game. Non-games are cheap and easy to make, and will not serve as a distraction from development of real games.
Nintendo has also made it its mission to release Kirby, Mario Kart, Mario and Luigi, Pokemon, Zelda, Metroid, ETC ETC ETC ETC on DS. Games like Nintendogs ramp up hardware sales as people who aren't into games pick up DSes. Those people are going to want to play something else some day. Maybe they'll try out a real game? That means higher sales for the games you love. Maybe they'll just keep on buying "non-games"? That means more money for your favorite developers to invest in games that actually require a budget. Meanwhile, all of the normal, hardcore, current-gamers are going to keep snapping up Mario Kart, Castlevania, and Mario & Luigi at an even faster rate than they did before the advent of the "non-game."
I'm pretty sure Nintendo and other developers will be able to continue to make the games they are making right now, while still making small-budget, small-team, high-selling cash cows that will give them more money with less risk than anything they've made before.
I've got 12 DS games. One of them is a "non-game." I expect to buy many more games this year. Nintendo has not had a problem supplying both types of games at this point. Both of the "trends" you cited (decreasing sales of typical games, and the inability of developers to make games of two differen genres), ARE IMAGINARY.
Then maybe you should just not say anything. Because all you did was make yourself look like an asshole.Ignatz Mouse said:I don't really care about the DS one way or the other, so I don't notice.
But I'm happy to call the anti-PSP folk assholes. Go ahead and call the anti-DS people assholes, if they bug you.
We handled the "first to 10 million" fluff just fine in October, I don't see much problems arising with whatever overshipped figures Phil and company deluge us with on Thursday. It'll probably be the same story, numbers are reported everywhere by the media, analysts push even more lofty PSP evaluations, numbers are discredited on GAF with helpful sales tracking leaks, and 2-3 months later less consumers will still have less PSPs in their posession that what Sony originally reported as "sold". Same thing happened last March actually, I expect the cycle to continue for PSP's lifetime.Mrbob said:If you think this thread is big, wait till Thursday.
jarrod said:We handled the "first to 10 million" fluff just fine in October, I don't see much problems arising with whatever overshipped figures Phil and company deluge us with on Thursday. It'll probably be the same story, numbers are reported everywhere by the media, analysts push even more lofty PSP evaluations, numbers are discredited on GAF with helpful sales tracking leaks, and 2-3 months later less consumers will still have less PSPs in their posession that what Sony originally reported as "sold". Same thing happened last March actually, I expect the cycle to continue for PSP's lifetime.
jarrod said:We handled the "first to 10 million" fluff just fine in October, I don't see much problems arising with whatever overshipped figures Phil and company deluge us with on Thursday. It'll probably be the same story, numbers are reported everywhere by the media, analysts push even more lofty PSP evaluations, numbers are discredited on GAF with helpful sales tracking leaks, and 2-3 months later less consumers will still have less PSPs in their posession that what Sony originally reported as "sold". Same thing happened last March actually, I expect the cycle to continue for PSP's lifetime.