DontBeThatGuy
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It's like talking to a bunch of brick walls. Good luck.
The maybe future president of America is admitting there is racial bias, that we have to completely change policing, that we need to raise the minimum wage, to finish what she started with universal healthcare and better education for all children, not just liberal cities, and you want to ask when.Like what?
Uh....
When did I say I wasn't going to vote?The maybe future president of America is admitting there is racial bias, that we have to completely change policing, that we need to raise the minimum wage, to finish what she started with universal healthcare and better education for all children, not just liberal cities, and you want to ask when.
Don't vote then, but don't complain, because you're the enabler.
Causes without critical analysis to improve aren't worth shit. Causes that don't actively fight against being complacent and accepting of lesser options will succumb to them.
What are you even saying? "Don't say don't vote" if you really just mean "don't say bad things about Hillary because we need her" is weak as fuck. Dude can say anything he wants just like he can take a knee anywhere he wants.
This doesn't take away from what Hillary is doing, especially when it could mean losing votes. For kaep to say they're the same, especially at a time when change can truly happen, shows he'd rather look a leader than be one.
They should.
One thing that still gets me is something that Trump said in the debate with which I actually agree. It was something to the effect of "Politicians only make promises during election season and then it's the same old thing after the election is over." He was grasping at straws at that point and I really doubt he believed what he said, but there's a lot of truth to that. With that said, one important step is to not just vote for the presidential race, but to vote for local and congressional races. Change has to happen in all areas of the government.
One thing that still gets me is something that Trump said in the debate with which I actually agree. It was something to the effect of "Politicians only make promises during election season and then it's the same old thing after the election is over." He was grasping at straws at that point and I really doubt he believed what he said, but there's a lot of truth to that. With that said, one important step is to not just vote for the presidential race, but to vote for local and congressional races. Change has to happen in all areas of the government.
so because kap is just now reading up means everyone else's work means nothing, got it. She can share a small part of the blame for publicly supporting as the first lady, but not only was the bill called for by blacks, no one expected to be so gross in it's reach. And I don't see anyone yelling at uncle Joe for writing the fucking thing. Besides that, she's apologized for it and has policy plans to reverse the effects.Kaepernick has clearly read a lot of revolutionary writing, and he's coming at this whole election from that most basic of perspectives. Any BLM leader would tell you the same things as him, because it's on their website. When they talk about "state violence," do you think Hillary as a politician is exempt from that criticism?
This isn't the time to be a fence sitter. This is something doctor who can't fix, it's a moment to choose the right side. 20 years from now, fine, play both sides, but to act like right now doesn't matter is farcical. You must vote and vote Democrat to save this country.When did I say I wasn't going to vote?
Everything there is basic Democrat stuff in 2016. Really?
Trump has got you guys losing your minds.
i actually didnt have a problem with Hillary's answer about the race stuff. I mean she hit the highlights of causes and solutions and she did it in 2 minutes. Not really sure what Kaep expects out of a politician in two minutes.this is not the time for "lesser of two evils". he knows god damn well comparing clinton to trump on the evil scale is about the same as comparing a pin prick on your finger to getting your arms and legs chopped off.
as for his issue with clinton, it's pretty clear it's regarding race/minorities since he specifically says "they're trying to debate who is less racist". there is no debate about that. this isn't the time to second guess, or to bring the two into the same arena (i.e. both are evil!). it is a dangerous position to take because he does have a lot of supporters, and those supporters could come out and say "you know what... they are both evil! i'm not voting for either one of them!" a non-vote for clinton is a vote for trump in my eyes. and trumps policies/ideas as they relate to minorities are infinitely worse than clinton's so he needs to cut this shit out. it's the second time he has attacked clinton and trump as president will make things drastically worse so whatever he thinks about clinton he needs to make it clear that there is no real comparison. constructive criticism is great but again this isn't the time to boiling it down to "the lesser of two evils"
It feels like you're exclusively viewing this election from the lens of Democrat vs Republican than as a full system. I'm not fence sitting anything; I'm voting for Hillary Clinton. You're being ridiculous with this telling people who to vote for shit.This isn't the time to be a fence sitter. This is something doctor who can't fix, it's a moment to choose the right side. 20 years from now, fine, play both sides, but to act like right now doesn't matter is farcical. You must vote and vote Democrat to save this country.
I mean that's not really true either.
Politicians, at the Presidential level, keep most of their promises.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trust-us-politicians-keep-most-of-their-promises/
No I'm viewing it as a white supremacy continues vs not point of view. You keep adding to what I'm saying instead of taking me at my word. It seems your sexism won't let you give Hillary credit for her extensive history working for us.It feels like you're exclusively viewing this election from the lens of Democrat vs Republican than as a full system.
Calling someone a lesser shade of evil is not actually critical analysis you know.
It feels like you're exclusively viewing this election from the lens of Democrat vs Republican than as a full system. I'm not fence sitting anything; I'm voting for Hillary Clinton. You're being ridiculous with this telling people who to vote for shit.
It's still appropriate and factual to call her a liar and lawbreaker just like it's appropriate and factual to talk about Obama's drone strikes and unprecedented amount of deportations of immigrants. I don't give a fuck about the two parties because I don't associate with either of them right now. Hillary's objectively the better choice, but nothing Kaep has said about her is wrong.
You guys have been spending too much time arguing with fucking racists online. I don't care about any of this partisan politics shit, and I don't give a shit about her being in prison or not. I'm voting for her, and I'll be glad if she moves fast on racial justice issues, but my perspective is that right now she's pandering to white America worried about racists just like Donald Trump is doing the same thing to diet racists who don't know it. I'd love to be proven wrong, just like I'm assuming Kaep would.So, Hillary belongs in prison?
You should read your tag and reflect on 30 years of targeted harassment on someone championing you and yours and how they feel knowing you lump them in with their attackers.You guys have been spending too much time arguing with fucking racists online. I don't care about any of this partisan politics shit, and I don't give a shit about her being in prison or not.
You guys have been spending too much time arguing with fucking racists online. I don't care about any of this partisan politics shit, and I don't give a shit about her being in prison or not. I'm voting for her, and I'll be glad if she moves fast on racial justice issues, but my perspective is that right now she's pandering to white America worried about racists just like Donald Trump is doing the same thing to diet racists who don't know it.
A) why did you bring it up if you dont careIt feels like you're exclusively viewing this election from the lens of Democrat vs Republican than as a full system. I'm not fence sitting anything; I'm voting for Hillary Clinton. You're being ridiculous with this telling people who to vote for shit.
It's still appropriate and factual to call her a liar and lawbreaker just like it's appropriate and factual to talk about Obama's drone strikes and unprecedented amount of deportations of immigrants. I don't give a fuck about the two parties because I don't associate with either of them right now. Hillary's objectively the better choice, but nothing Kaep has said about her is wrong.
You guys have been spending too much time arguing with fucking racists online. I don't care about any of this partisan politics shit.
You guys have been spending too much time arguing with fucking racists online. I don't care about any of this partisan politics shit.
What does this have to do with anything I've said about her? Have you even read anything I've ever said about Hillary? Even in this very thread, I acknowledged she likely has to be "evil" to be a successful woman in politics for this long:You should read your tag and reflect on 30 years of targeted harassment on someone championing you and yours and how they feel knowing you lump them in with their attackers.
I'm not about to throw Kaep under the bus because he called her evil. Dude's right, even if she has to be to be a successful woman in politics.
If your concern is "the cause" over what's right, you're really no better than your political opponents. :/ I have no interest in anyone towing party lines over something as fucking monumental and oppressive as institutional racism.I'm looking for some clarification here, Kaep has said this, so was this factual, appropriate and responsible? Does this help the cause?
It feels like you're exclusively viewing this election from the lens of Democrat vs Republican than as a full system. I'm not fence sitting anything; I'm voting for Hillary Clinton. You're being ridiculous with this telling people who to vote for shit.
It's still appropriate and factual to call her a liar and lawbreaker just like it's appropriate and factual to talk about Obama's drone strikes and unprecedented amount of deportations of immigrants. I don't give a fuck about the two parties because I don't associate with either of them right now. Hillary's objectively the better choice, but nothing Kaep has said about her is wrong.
Big difference, and you're the one pretending context doesn't exist, instead using some nebulous "opinion is a fact" logic.You guys are going out there just because you saw something wrong said about Hillary. You're not even taking in the contexts.
I think the point is that Kaepernick said that if anybody else did what she did with the e-mails, she'd "be in prison."
When the Bush administration was discovered to have erased millions of emails illegally sent by 22 administration officials through private, RNC-owned accounts, in order to thwart an investigation into the politically motivated firing of eight US attorneys, just one talk show covered it that Sunday.
When Mitt Romney wiped servers, sold government hard drives to his closest aides and spent $100,000 in taxpayer money to destroy his administrations emails, it was barely an issue.
When Hillary Clinton asked Colin Powell how he managed to use a Blackberry while serving as Secretary of State, he replied by detailing his method of intentionally bypassing federal record-keeping laws:
I didnt have a Blackberry. What I did do was have a personal computer that was hooked up to a private phone line (sounds ancient.) So I could communicate with a wide range of friends directly without it going through the State Department servers. I even used it to do business with some foreign leaders and some of the senior folks in the Department on their personal email accounts. I did the same thing on the road in hotels.
... There is a real danger. If it is public that you have a BlackBerry and it it [sic] government and you are using it, government or not, to do business, it may become an official record and subject to the law.
Yet the fact that Hillary Clinton emailed through a private server and didnt use it to cover anything up is somehow the defining issue of her campaign. My God, people cry, anyone else would be in jail!
It's been a while since I've been on the other side of lefty GAF!Law breaker? Not factual
Liar? Define liar because she's the most honest politician out of any of the ones who ran in either primary and is about as much of a truth teller as Obama.
So not really factual either.
Explain.Big difference, and you're the one pretending context doesn't exist, instead using some nebulous "opinion is a fact" logic.
Literally no clue what you're talking about now.If your concern is "the cause" over what's right, you're really no better than your political opponents. :/ I have no interest in anyone towing party lines over something as fucking monumental and oppressive as institutional racism.
I'm speaking to DontBeThatGuy's statements in the last few of his posts about a vague "cause" he wants to protect, and my assumption from their words and context is that holding Hillary accountable for change isn't as important right now as putting her in a position to make it. To me this feels very similar to the Bernie protest threads, but I might be misreading their intent.Literally no clue what you're talking about now.
If Martin Luther king told jfk to fuck off and keep him in prison, doubtful the civil right act happens.
It's been a while since I've been on the other side of lefty GAF!
Hillary's great. I loved her debate performance, I think she'll be phenomenal as a general leader, and I think she has the experience, qualifications, and temperament necessary to be president. I also think she's generally honest, and a hell of a lot more honest than Trump. I also think Kaep's perspective on her is valuable and informed, and I think she needs to be held accountable for her positions and the changes she enacts for minorities in America.
Explain.
If your concern is "the cause" over what's right, you're really no better than your political opponents. :/ I have no interest in anyone towing party lines over something as fucking monumental and oppressive as institutional racism.
shes called black youth predators before.
That's what I'm saying!It's like a cult of personality . It's all emotion, no solutions.
Yo, people can think for themselves. It's not like I've needed to be coddled to avoid seeing that statement all over the Internet. Critical thinking skills are more important than protecting some hypothetical innocence, because that's what makes a person analyze that statement instead of believing it outright.Saying Hillary is a criminal that belong in prison isn't what's right, it's just not, and it's a dangerous thought to put into the minds of impressionable young folk, particularly during this election.
This is the quote from the post that started this whole thing. I'm aware of his past comments about emails and jail, which is what I imagine is the context for the liars part of this quote:I like how lui kang's trying to change the subject into accountability now. Like calling someone an evil liar who should be in jail and a white supremacist is totally fine because it can hold people accountable.
"theyre trying to debate whos less racist" is very important to analyze here, because this thread is focusing on the emails and lying history.I watched a little bit of it, Kaepernick told reporters, via Cam Inman of the Bay Area News Group. To me it was embarrassing to watch that these are our two candidates. Both are proven liars and it almost seems theyre trying to debate whos less racist. At this point . . . you have to pick the lesser of two evils but in the end its still evil.
That's what I'm saying!
Yo, people can think for themselves. It's not like I've needed to be coddled to avoid seeing that statement all over the Internet. Critical thinking skills are more important than protecting some hypothetical innocence, because that's what makes a person analyze that statement instead of believing it outright.
The extent of Kaepernick insight into Clinton is that she's a shade of evil, a liar and a criminal.
Things you previously defended as factual...
But now you just said you believe she generally tells the truth... so that makes her factually not a liar.
We know she's not a criminal. The FBI literally said no one would go to jail and that the only way they'd ever have treated Clinton specially or differently is if they had arrested her. So again not factual.
That leaves us with a shade of evil and that's frankly the least factual of them all... soooo...
Where is the informed perspective on her?
Like I said you can't just call someone evil and call it a day.
No I'm viewing it as a white supremacy continues vs not point of view. You keep adding to what I'm saying instead of taking me at my word. It seems your sexism won't let you give Hillary credit for her extensive history working for us.
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!Maybe Trayvon Martin really deserved to be killed. Who cares about hypothetical innocence. He could have been a thug that deserved to be killed. People can think for themselves
LOL seriously.Whoa, wtf did I miss here?
So non truth is something you think should be repeated by the black youth vote of America, especially those listening and learning from kap right now. You can't be this obtuse.This is the quote from the post that started this whole thing. I'm aware of his past comments about emails and jail, which is what I imagine is the context for the liars part of this quote:
"theyre trying to debate whos less racist" is very important to analyze here, because this thread is focusing on the emails and lying history.
That's what I'm saying!
Yo, people can think for themselves. It's not like I've needed to be coddled to avoid seeing that statement all over the Internet. Critical thinking skills are more important than protecting some hypothetical innocence, because that's what makes a person analyze that statement instead of believing it outright.
Lui Kang admitted she's been fighting for her entire life for us and is the most qualified candidate, but thinks a football player who read some headlines at the most has a "better read" than all her black supporters.Whoa, wtf did I miss here?
Kaepernick dividing us, y'all..😢
Literally not even close to what I've been saying.Lui Kang admitted she's been fighting for her entire life for us and is the most qualified candidate, but thinks a football player who read some headlines at the most has a "better read" than all her black supporters.
This.Honestly why does it matter if he's not enthusiastic about Hillary, saying she's the lesser of two evils? He didn't say he wasn't voting and he definitely didn't say he was voting for Trump. if Colin feels she's not a complete candidate by his standards especially in regards to what she's actually gonna do in regards to instutional racism and what her foreign policy agenda is going to look like then he is free to think that. I hardly think that takes away from the movement he started because he isn't singing the praises of your favorite candidate. Personally I'm very pragmatic and I will be casting my vote for the candidate who won't go out their way to oppress minorities and nothing from Kaep's statement says he won't be doing the same. Please relax guys.
How do you guys agree with me so much elsewhere but then turn into this when it's about Hillary? Was I also not using critical thinking all the times we agreed?How the fuck is calling her a criminal an act of critical thinking?
Do you actually understand what critical thinking is?
Kaep is welcome to say both sides are shitty, because they are, in countless ways, but to say they're both equally shitty is ignoring the difference between pellets of rabbit feces and the dinosaur mound from Jurassic Park.
Honestly why does it matter if he's not enthusiastic about Hillary, saying she's the lesser of two evils? He didn't say he wasn't voting and he definitely didn't say he was voting for Trump. if Colin feels she's not a complete candidate by his standards especially in regards to what she's actually gonna do in regards to instutional racism and what her foreign policy agenda is going to look like then he is free to think that. I hardly think that takes away from the movement he started because he isn't singing the praises of your favorite candidate. Personally I'm very pragmatic and I will be casting my vote for the candidate who won't go out their way to oppress minorities and nothing from Kaep's statement says he won't be doing the same. Please relax guys.
Because right now he represents something blacks have been clamoring for. When he was just a bench warmer you could say he was a nobody, now he's a civil rights icon, and for him to be ignorant at a very particular time in our history, if trump wins, could be viewed as betrayal when history shakes out.Why would anyone care what he says about the election? It's great he had the balls to protest against police brutality in such a visible way but that doesn't make him some deep or insightful thinker.