atomsk said:....yeah, you're not going to last long around here.
Is it me, or did most of the new batch of juniors not lurk before posting here.
He's a old junior.
atomsk said:....yeah, you're not going to last long around here.
Is it me, or did most of the new batch of juniors not lurk before posting here.
FunkyPajamas said:Have we started with the car analogies yet?
ha1f said:Where does it say that he spent the money donated to him to pay for his trip to South America?
squatingyeti said:One more time for the cheap seats!
ha1f said:Where does it say that he spent the money donated to him to pay for his trip to South America?
Also, anyone who brings the tsunami into this is fucking dumb.
Listen man, when it comes to gaming the rules change! Keep your apt analogies out of this thread. You're going to make some of us look hypocritical.angelfly said:I really hope you've never modified a system file in Windows or OSX since according to you it's still owned by MS or Apple so you need to stick to what they want you do with the OS paid for.
Jobiensis said:Not yet, but we are only on the fourth page. Be patient, GAF will deliver.
ViolentP said:Let's say he had 13k in the bank before this ordeal started. He then takes 13k in donations for legal defense fees. Then he uses his original 13k to go on vacation. Fair game?
Trevelyon said:So, I'm trying to understand here, if he doesn't return to California or the States in general, where does this leave the case? What are the legal ramifications here, does it go beyond civil if he's clearly trying to dodge a losing lawsuit or does it just essentially leave his side dead in the water with the presumption of guilt.
squatingyeti said:Seriously, STOP with the "fled" bullshit. Sony was aware he was out of the country.
You usually don't tell someone when you're going to flee. Just keep ignoring it though and stick with the nonsense.
squatingyeti said:Oh, so now it's not "he fled to avoid the case!!!" It doesn't matter what his reasons are for being there or even the fact that Sony KNEW he was there, you guys are still going to carry on with the nonsense. Wow, I'm out.
jorma said:Also, anyone who is cheering for Sony here is cheering for the DMCA. It really blows my mind that so many people support that abomination of a law.
How do you know his bank balance details?How do you know he paid for the trip? Why are you operating on the presumption of guilt from sonys lawyers, of all biased sources?ViolentP said:Let's say he had 13k in the bank before this ordeal started. He then takes 13k in donations for legal defense fees. Then he uses his original 13k to go on vacation. Fair game?
jorma said:Also, anyone who is cheering for Sony here is cheering for the DMCA. It really blows my mind that so many people support that abomination of a law.
to everyone insisting that I am some sony fanboy on this... I 100% completely agree with the above statement. If you don't like your current rights in the game industry, support a LEGITIMATE lobby group who DOES care about these same things.. THAT'S how you get change in something like this. Not giving money to some high profile narcissist who tells you he's doing it for self righteous reasons only to take your money and flee to south america with it.Zoe said:If people really want to see change, they should throw all their support behind EFF and get them to lobby for a DMCA exception.
We don't know the order of events. I think his lawyer is saying 'you complained that he's out of the country, so obviously he isn't here to give you this stuff'squatingyeti said:One more time for the cheap seats!
alr1ghtstart said:People are saying this kid is a:
1. Dumbass for tampering with evidence
2. Liar
3. Attention Whore
That's what this thread is about
Gaz Pwnage said:Or the vacation was pre-booked and pre-paid for.
kamorra said:And that Sony should win.
angelfly said:I really hope you've never modified a system file in Windows or OSX since according to you it's still owned by MS or Apple so you need to stick to what they want you do with the OS paid for.
Zoe said:Default judgement which he'd either have to comply to or appeal in court.
TheHeretic said:How do you know his bank balance details?How do you know he paid for the trip? Why are you operating on the presumption of guilt from sonys lawyers, of all biased sources?
Lyphen said:This is one of the few times I've actually laughed on GAF.
MrPliskin said:Fairly similar, actually.
Welp, that settles it. Clearly there is no reason to defend the guy, and instead you flee (rimshot).
TheBranca18 said:I think at this point no one knows where the money came from that was used on this vacation. Regardless of where it came from, it makes the guy look bad. I think we can all agree on that.
I don't think everyone is saying that. There are plenty of anti-Sony people in here. I think it's a good balance.
if you think that's what this thread is about, you might want to check your 1's and 2's.alr1ghtstart said:People are saying this kid is a:
1. Dumbass for tampering with evidence
2. Liar
3. Attention Whore
That's what this thread is about
jorma said:Also, anyone who is cheering for Sony here is cheering for the DMCA. It really blows my mind that so many people support that abomination of a law.
Melchiah said:If that's the case, the guy's just a childish moron. When you've been issued a court order, you do as you're told. A sore loser playing immature tricks may get pity in the kindergarten, but not in the court.
And yes, it's tampering with the evidence.
Lothars said:no I don't support DMCA and wish it would change and supporting Geohot will not change DMCA, supporting other organization that are fighting it will but I do support Sony in this specific case against Geohot because he's not a representative of anything and should never of received donations
squatingyeti said:Sure, here's one. It's like telling someone you're taking the car to the store and then they call the police and say you fled.
Yes thankyou for that insult. Without knowing then circumstances of him leaving it's impossible to assess anything, and misappropriating donations is a serious charge that has to be proven.ViolentP said:I don't, dingus, I'm simply illustrating that it's difficult to validate going on vacation after accepting 13k in donations. I'm even being generous by not assuming he fled and is simply in need of some R&R.
MrPliskin said:Sure, Sony fucked up when they removed OtherOS, and it was a shitty move, but one poor act does not condone another. Clearly Hotz intentions weren't in the right place, and still are not in the "right place". There is zero room to defend him, at this point, or his actions.
FunkyPajamas said:Have we started with the car analogies yet?
TOAO_Cyrus said:I don't believe this counts as tempering with evidence because the evidence is the data not the hardware. As long as he complied with the letter of the order he won't get in trouble. We will see what the Judge thinks though.
kamorra said:He's a old junior.
TheHeretic said:Yes thankyou for that insult. Without knowing then circumstances of him leaving it's impossible to assess anything, and misappropriating donations is a serious charge that has to be proven.
ShockingAlberto said:I'm doing a mental game where I replace every instance of Sony with Activision and imagining how that would change the tone of this thread.
It's pretty funny.
Needs to be quoted again.TheHeretic said:Is there evidence that he has left the country for the specific purpose of avoiding a law suit, or that any of the money donated for legal defense, was used for anything else?
Furthermore what makes Geohot a bad person, as is implied so frequently here.
It seems pretty obvious to me that many people have some personal attachment to these companies, and dislike those who may have potentially harmed them.
ShockingAlberto said:I'm doing a mental game where I replace every instance of Sony with Activision and imagining how that would change the tone of this thread.
It's pretty funny.
What, of substance has he done to which he could be vilified?TheBranca18 said:I think it's more than just pro-Sony or anti-Sony at this point. It's hard to root for a company that is making it hard to do whatever I want with what I bought. At the same time, Hotz hasn't exactly been a saint here and he's done things completely the wrong way. So instead of picking sides let's laugh at how absurd this situation is.