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Sony HMZ-T1 first Organic EL 3D head mounted display
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bandresen said:
It's largely unnoticeable with video content since high detail motion is fairly rare (save for sports). It can make a notable difference with games, but it's not as mind blowing as the numbers suggest. For example your average LCD without interpolation only has like 300-400 lines of motion resolution--yet you don't exactly see people complaining their 1080p LCD's look Sub-SD. If you compared that to a modern PDP with the full 1080 lines of motion resolution, you'd notice the difference if you looked for it, but it would be more subtle than in your face.
The biggest advantage this device has going for it is that it's native 720p--not 720p scaled to 1366x768 or 1920x1080. This is where a majority of the perceived sharpness and detail will come from. Some folks are under the mistaken impression that 720p inherently looks bad, cause their only experience is seeing it scaled to 1080p on their Vizio's shitty scaler.
I have been a VR-nerd for years and years and years now. I have had probably close to a dozen HMDs in my past, ranging from the very cheap Philips Scuba(Takara Dynovisor) all the way up to a couple-thousand dollar Virtual Research V8.
But this looks better than anything I have used. The FOV was a bit higher on my V8, but not by very much. The resolution(and hopefully optics) will make up for that. I had one HMD with a FOV over 100, and even had it modded to a 1080p screen, but the optics were not as good as I would imagine with this Sony.
If this wasn't such short notice, I'd be on the preorder list for this. I'm really hoping the price drops a little bit(even though, it's honestly worth the $800, imo).
For those of you that have never used an HMD, please try it before you buy it. For some reason, people tend to overthink how awesome and immersive the experience is going to be.
I can't wait to see the reviews once this drops. Hopefully this will be a step in the right direction to finally getting something with specs like this mainstream: http://www.fakespacelabs.com/Wide5.html
But this looks better than anything I have used. The FOV was a bit higher on my V8, but not by very much. The resolution(and hopefully optics) will make up for that. I had one HMD with a FOV over 100, and even had it modded to a 1080p screen, but the optics were not as good as I would imagine with this Sony.
If this wasn't such short notice, I'd be on the preorder list for this. I'm really hoping the price drops a little bit(even though, it's honestly worth the $800, imo).
For those of you that have never used an HMD, please try it before you buy it. For some reason, people tend to overthink how awesome and immersive the experience is going to be.
I can't wait to see the reviews once this drops. Hopefully this will be a step in the right direction to finally getting something with specs like this mainstream: http://www.fakespacelabs.com/Wide5.html
http://www.techradar.com/news/television/why-sony-s-personal-3d-viewer-is-game-changing-1015622
Hmm. Went googling around for some new impressions. What kind of comment is this:
The HMZ-T1 Personal 3D Viewer features two OLED panels made by Sony's semiconductor division. According to Yoshinori Matsumoto, from Sony's Home Entertainment Business Group, the 0.7 inch (18mm diagonal) panels "have a resolution of 350,000 pixels and are closely related to the OLED electronic viewfinders found in the new Alpha 77 and NEX-77 cameras." Definition is comparable to 720p HD.
What does that mean? Are they saying it's not actually 720P in pixel structure, but appears comparable because of how dense the pixel structure is? That's a mighty big leap if actually true. And misleading.
Hmm. Went googling around for some new impressions. What kind of comment is this:
The HMZ-T1 Personal 3D Viewer features two OLED panels made by Sony's semiconductor division. According to Yoshinori Matsumoto, from Sony's Home Entertainment Business Group, the 0.7 inch (18mm diagonal) panels "have a resolution of 350,000 pixels and are closely related to the OLED electronic viewfinders found in the new Alpha 77 and NEX-77 cameras." Definition is comparable to 720p HD.
What does that mean? Are they saying it's not actually 720P in pixel structure, but appears comparable because of how dense the pixel structure is? That's a mighty big leap if actually true. And misleading.
thuway said:
Hey, read this!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105...s-3d-oled-head-mounted-display/?tag=mncol;txt
That's 3 times the amount of pixels of actual 720p displays!
*confused*
Edit - This is stated on the official Sony page btw
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201108/11-0831CE/
I guess I don't know how to count pixels? How does it work?
Edit 2 - Looks like 3 "screen resolution" pixels actually equal 1 "image resolution" pixel. Or something.
PuppetMaster
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1-D_FTW said:
More likely the author is just not a great technical writer. For one there is no camera called the NEX-77 it is the NEX-7. So already a typo right there to lack of fact checking.
And that camera has a viewfinder that is 1,024x768 or 786,432 pixels. And it is only 0.5 inch. The 0.7 one in the HMZ-T1 is needless to say... bigger.
TTP said:Hey, read this!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105...s-3d-oled-head-mounted-display/?tag=mncol;txt
That's 3 times the amount of pixels of actual 720p displays!
*confused*
That's kind of par for the course. The thing that worries me about the other is that's an awfully specific and technical quote. From somebody who should actually know things. I don't know how that paragraph accidentally rolls off the tongue.
TTP said:Hey, read this!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105...s-3d-oled-head-mounted-display/?tag=mncol;txt
That's 3 times the amount of pixels of actual 720p displays!
*confused*
Edit - This is stated on the official Sony page btw
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201108/11-0831CE/
I guess I don't know how to count pixels? How does it work?
WTF? Counting each screen would still only net you 1.84 million pixels.
Moral of the story? Let's hope somebody can pixel count when this thing is released. Not sure it's possible, but I'm hoping.
GreggTheGrimReaper
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1-D_FTW said:
Maybe it's 3 subpixels for each screen?
PuppetMaster
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TTP said:Hey, read this!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105...s-3d-oled-head-mounted-display/?tag=mncol;txt
That's 3 times the amount of pixels of actual 720p displays!
*confused*
Edit - This is stated on the official Sony page btw
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201108/11-0831CE/
I guess I don't know how to count pixels? How does it work?
Because they are counting Red/Green/Blue pixels separately. Hence the 3x number.
But really what is important is the total number of colored pixels.
That is a pretty standard way to cite the pixel number in HMDs. From stereo3d:
"The resolution of a HMD might be less impressing than the specs indicate at first. The LCD panels usually used in consumer HMD's offer a resolution of 789 x 230=181.470 pixels per eye. That sounds quite good, but it's not. They use 3 pixels (red, green and blue) to produce one colored pixel. So the true resolution is 263 x 230. There are professional products out there with 1920 x 480, this should equal true 640 x 480."
"The resolution of a HMD might be less impressing than the specs indicate at first. The LCD panels usually used in consumer HMD's offer a resolution of 789 x 230=181.470 pixels per eye. That sounds quite good, but it's not. They use 3 pixels (red, green and blue) to produce one colored pixel. So the true resolution is 263 x 230. There are professional products out there with 1920 x 480, this should equal true 640 x 480."
ido said:
Ok so it's the horizontal res the one affected by this shady pixel counting habit.
This would mean:
1280 horizontal res x 3 (RGB) = 3840 pixels per line.
3840 x 720 (vertical res) = 2.764.800 (which are rounded to achieve the 2.8m number - which then again confirm this is true 1280x720 thing)
No. I have had HMDs with higher FOV, but lower resolution. And some with higher FOV and higher resolution, but not 3D capable.
The best HMD I have owned is the V8: http://www.virtualresearch.com/products/v8.htm
The optics on that HMD were great. Glass instead of plastic, and a really decent FOV. The only downside, for me, was the resolution.
I've had a Liquid Image MRG2.2 that was modified with a 1080p LCD, but it weighed nearly 5 pounds, could not be used for 3D, and the optics were not as good as you'd want.
In other words, I'm extremely excited about this... It is better than the eMagin z800, better than the newest Vuzix wrap 1200, and it is looking better than the Zeiss OLED cinemizer. I couldn't be happier. Hopefully this will sell decently enough to open up development to make these have an even better FOV.
The best HMD I have owned is the V8: http://www.virtualresearch.com/products/v8.htm
The optics on that HMD were great. Glass instead of plastic, and a really decent FOV. The only downside, for me, was the resolution.
I've had a Liquid Image MRG2.2 that was modified with a 1080p LCD, but it weighed nearly 5 pounds, could not be used for 3D, and the optics were not as good as you'd want.
In other words, I'm extremely excited about this... It is better than the eMagin z800, better than the newest Vuzix wrap 1200, and it is looking better than the Zeiss OLED cinemizer. I couldn't be happier. Hopefully this will sell decently enough to open up development to make these have an even better FOV.
thuway said:
1. Quite possibly so. I have high hopes for this.
2. 45 degree horizontal FOV is honestly not great, but it is better than any other consumer level HMD. The optics, OLED, and resolution is really going to make a big difference here.
3. The only fault I see is a lack of headtracking, which is an easy upgrade. Unless you have thousands and thousands to spend, this one looks to be the best. Being from Sony also helps to gauge the quality here.
If you even remotely like HMDs, this is a must-have.
Templar Wizard
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needs to work with nvidia 3dvision
kyo_daikun
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Still can't preorder in the UK, rubbish!
kyo_daikun
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DeMeester said:
Can't you adjust the lenses in these to match your prescription or something? I read it earlier in the thread im sure.
plagiarize
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It'll work with NVIDIA 3dtv play, like any 3dtv or projector.Templar Wizard said:
amdnv said:
It all depends on how good the optics are. It could look that plain, sure, but if they do it right it will appear as if the screen is massive and you are further away(like someone mentioned, middle row of a theater). Most really shitty consumer level HMDs have optics that basically just make it look like you're viewing a small monitor attached to your face with horrible resolution. If these optics are the real deal, it should at least feel differently.
But 45 degree's really isn't that great yet. I was hoping for at least 60 horizontal, but maybe that will come one day. It's still way better than the newest Vuzix wrap, and even better than eMagin's z800. And if they optics are as good as people are saying, then that should make up for the lower FOV as well, but we'll just have to wait and see.
I really want to get this.
kyo_daikun said:
Doesn't seem like you can. Looks like you can just adjust the width to account for distance between eyes.
That said, plenty of people with glasses have worn them without complaint. And they include 3 different sized forehead pads so it'll fit over anyone's head properly. So there's no penalty for wearing eye glasses with it, it just doesn't double as a pair of glasses.
Sidewinder
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kyo_daikun said:
Really? Even in Switzerland we could already pre-order it for 1'000 Swiss Francs ~ 820 ~715£ ~1'120$. Estimated delivery mid-December.
http://www.sony.ch/lang/de/product/head-mounted-display/hmz-t1