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2013 Feb NBA Season lOT| Controlling it like a man, bruh
- Thread starter reilo
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OK, now we're just getting silly. Oscar Robertson in 1961-1962 averaged 31 points, 13 rebounds and 11 assists for the year. That's "other worldy." Wilt averaged 50 ppg for an entire season. That's ridiculous. LeBron is playing great, but this kind of talk is just ignorant. It makes it sound like no one has ever played better than him.
Dominican Power
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I said WHEN THEY LEAD THE LEAGUE IN THEM. Getting to the foul line as an effective strategy to cut the deficit of a huge lead.
MorisUkunRasik
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He has good court vision for sure, but Chris Paul has him trumped in that department easily not to mention many guys who are no longer active.
It's a different era. He's playing against modern athletes. I don't think it's a straight comparison to make.
Alright so maybe just from players currently active. Paul is certainly right up there as well.
No offense, but that's what many alpha stars do. Plenty in NBA history have done, and done it better. You're just watching a guy go up against inferior competition, with practically no one in the league able to match. I'm starting to think people are pushing the LeBron as GOAT argument, because they just don't believe anyone played any better. It's just not true.
What does that even mean? This era is garbage compared to many previous eras.
MJ is GOAT.
LeBron hate in here is strong. Holy shit. Don't talk about LeBron in a positive light, lesson learned.
Saying Lebron has the highest BBIQ ever is not exactly just talking about him in a positive light.
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sorry that all I thought of when I was reading your post
Well sure, current NBA can't touch 90's or 80's. The league is just beginning to get back to a point where the competition is strong.
I think it's fair to consider that players have gotten stronger and faster. Definitely doesn't mean they are more talented, but that's something definitely to account for.
I see.
Dominican Power
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Y'all act like the 00's didn't happen.
Psychological Intellect
Banned
So I'm supposed to interpret this
to meaning LeBron and Wade lead the league in free throws WHEN they feel like it?
lol whatever bruh. As opposed to KD who got 21 FTA in two consecutive games?
iamshadowlark
Banned
Lebrons the only one to go on a hot streak of this nature and he's one asshole three away from continuing with. Its certainly "other worldly". Nobody is really calling the season other worldy.
MorisUkunRasik
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This year Bron is 27pts 7ast and 8rbs shooting 42% from 3 and 56.5% overall
Larry bird in 86/87 season 29.9pts 6ast and 9 rbs shooting 41% from 3 and 52.7% overall
Bron's great but it does feel like his argument for GOAT is being prematurely made.
Larry bird in 86/87 season 29.9pts 6ast and 9 rbs shooting 41% from 3 and 52.7% overall
Bron's great but it does feel like his argument for GOAT is being prematurely made.
Stronger and faster is debatable. It really is. And there's no reason to get mad over "LeBron hate". You said he was playing "other wordly". Like you were in shock of it. However, in the history of the NBA, averaged 30 points on 60% shooting in a 6 game stretch isn't all that incredible.
Okay. LeBron James is a good basketball player. I'll stick to that.
Man crush level is over 9000 though.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Only three people have done it lol. Two besides bron.
MorisUkunRasik
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MorisUkunRasik
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Just because The Lakers' season is over doesn't mean yours has to end as well.
Psychological Intellect
Banned
LBJ has the record with 6 Moses Malone and another player did it for 5 straight.
I don't care. The way these statistics work, you can create any arbitrary standard to measure a guy in order to drum up hype. I joked earlier that with LeBron at 58% in this game, the new ESPN tagline will just be that he's gone 7 games in a row with 30 ppg at at least 58% shooting. You just move the goal posts, and play with the statistics to make it seem unique. Remember a little while ago when Dalembert had a great game, and statistics showed that he did it in a unique way.
Don't get me wrong, LeBron is the best in the world today, and he's having a great stretch. However, by the standard that he is being measured (all time greatness), it's good, but nothing ridiculous. Other guys have done more impressive things, and for a whole season or longer.
iamshadowlark
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Lets not turn this into a regular season stats pissing match because lebron would have larry beat. People seem to forget that lebron is the 3rd on the highest PPG list.
Maybe it's just that I don't like using hyperbole. I mean, really, it's insane? Insane?
Black Mamba
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If Boozer did it you'd have been caught in his bedroom sniffing his panties by now.
If Boozer averaged 30 ppg on 60% shooting for 6 straight games, something insane might be going on, lol.
Tragicomedy
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LeBron is the best player in the league, nobody would debate that.
And Durant did NOT have a bad shooting night, unless you count scoring 40 points on 50% shooting bad. He started cold but ended on fire.
And Durant did NOT have a bad shooting night, unless you count scoring 40 points on 50% shooting bad. He started cold but ended on fire.
iamshadowlark
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30pts on 60% shooting is far from arbitrary. Its not unique either. Its quite basic honestly. You just seem to want to downplay as much as possible.
30pts on 60% shooting for a perimeter player is ridiculous, insane, godly, other-wordly, insertrandomsuperlativehere. Just call it what it is. It doesn't change anything, most people pretty much conceded after last year that LBJ is gonna go down as a top 10 GOAT. The quicker you accept it the quicker you can enjoy it.
MorisUkunRasik
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You really think Bron will average ~27 for the rest of his career?
Comparing a select year of a player's career makes much more sense than comparing dudes who played 13 years and declined vs someone who is currently in his prime.
I'll give you a "crazy" statistic. Wilt averaged 50 ppg on 51% shooting, along with 26 rebounds per game in a season. Yes, I know, "he was playing with midgets", but from 1959-1973, he averaged around 20 rebounds per game each year, including his last. His best shooting percentage from the field for an entire season was 73%.
Wow.
Wow.
He will be a top 10 GOAT. Where did I ever deny that? I strongly believe he will. I just don't think this stretch is all that ridiculous. And he's not really a perimeter player, but alright.
iamshadowlark
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Vire
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Uh...
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/1966/lebron-james
Psst, heres a hint: he's averaged 27.4 for his career so far in 10 seasons and his shooting percentage has consistently gone up each year.
MorisUkunRasik
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Bron: 27.6pts 7 ast 7 rbs 33% from 3 48% overall
Bird: 25 pts 6 ast 10 rbs 37.7% from 3 50% overall
Not so sure 'bron has Bird beat' is how I would describe that. Bird also had 3 titles in those first 9 years.
edit: Bron's great and could have a better overall career than Bird (Bird got fucked over by his shitty body) but the argument isn't clearly in Bron's favor at the moment.
What are you trying to show me in that picture? According to it, the vast majority of his shots are in the paint.Compare the first 9 seasons....
what the hell is he then
Dominican Power
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Michael Jordan: 7 Straight Triple-Doubles, averaging 30.6ppg, 11.6rpg, and 11.0apg
Kobe Bryant: 9 Straight Games Scoring 40+, Averaged: 44.0 ppg, 50fg%, 5.2 rpg, 3.4 apg, 2.56 spg
Michael Jordan: 9 Straight Games Scoring 40+, Averaged: 41.6ppg, 50fg%, 5.7rpg, 4.0apg
Kobe Bryant: 4 Straight Games Scoring 50+
A.I. 5 straight 40pt games
43.6 PPG, .51 FG%, .48 3PT FG%, 7.4 APG, 4.6 RPG, 1.8 SPG
Like I said, LeBron is great, will go down as a great, but this 6 game stretch isn't all that ridiculous. People are just being prisoner of the moment.
Dominican Power
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Does KG have a ridiculous streak?
Vire
Member
The thing is, Lebron could score 50 points a night, but he's not that kind of player. Too much ball movement/ assists. He rather be a more efficient player.
The 7 straight triple doubles by Jordan is a flabbergasting stat though.
He's still the GOAT in my book. But Lebron has a long long way to go before all is said and done in his career.
The 7 straight triple doubles by Jordan is a flabbergasting stat though.
He's still the GOAT in my book. But Lebron has a long long way to go before all is said and done in his career.
Black Mamba
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Shaq averaged 38 points in 6 NBA Finals game in the 2000 Finals shooting 61% with only 1 game below 59.4%. 17 Rebounds and 3 blocks per game too.
MorisUkunRasik
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How Bron declines will be a huge part of where he ranks amongst the greats imo.
Far too early to entertain the discussion.
Far too early to entertain the discussion.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Oh wow then thats a wash, mostly.
The majority of any perimeter player is in the paint. Thats not a vast majority. Thats 61 shots in the paint vs 55 outside. Thats as much of a perimeter as anybody who isn't a shooter.
There's a huge difference between 50% and 60%.
Black Mamba
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Interesting. In Shaq's MVP year he had an 18 game stretch where he scored 37ppg on 61% fg% and 61% FT%.
Fucking ridiculous.
Fucking ridiculous.
MorisUkunRasik
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This would have been the perfect time for Bron to try and reel off some 40+ or 50+ point streaks. That team isn't gonna give a fuck until the playoffs anyway and he is about as physically capable as he is ever going to be.
Dominican Power
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Dwight is a clown.
Vire
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The fact that he is getting 60% shooting and he isn't a center (dunks lol) is the mind blowing part. If you watched tonight's and Portland game, he's shooting 60% with ridiculous off balance jump shots mixed in.
Also as shadow lark said there is a big big difference between 50 and 60%.
Also as shadow lark said there is a big big difference between 50 and 60%.
Herpes Reasons
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He probably can't even avg. 35ppg over a season like mj and kobe has. But oh that's right, he ain't that kind of player.
Kobe can score fity a night too, but you know, he aint about that life anymore.