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MMA |OT2| - Thread of Athletes, Fighters, Personalities, and Sports Entertainment

Poly, There is no way he paid for this. I am going to agree with frontrowBrian and say Zuffa is fronting the money.


Also, he can say it was TRT and explain that the reason he didn't say anything yet was because he didn't apply for the licence and he was going to report it when applied.
 

WrikaWrek

Banned
Sorry for the double post but Reem hired lawyer David Chesnoff to represent him at the hearing. Dude is big time.

David+Chesnoff+Paris+Hilton+Court+Appearance+GkRJZsE6yLul.jpg
 

yacobod

Banned
Tito Ortiz is going to have to drop some truth on you guys.

The Huntington Beach Bad Boy said:
You know I don’t know much about it at all. I have been fighting for 15 years and there have been trainers that tried to push that on me and I’ve said that if I have to do that kind of stuff, I am done with the sport, I wont compete any more because I want to be a natural athlete.

And I have - for fifteen years I’ve competed and taken my drug tests, random drug tests, and passed everything because I am a true athletle. A lot of these guys are taking these supplements to make themselves more impressive or whatever, to become the fighters they want to be.

That’s their choice - my recommendation is don’t do it. If its against the law or against the sport, don’t do it and if you do have to do it, don’t fight anymore. That’s just my take on it… I will leave it there, I wont go into it any further.
 
I'm going to let everyone in the NFL, NHL, NBA, MMA, Olympics, and every else know they are not athletes because some dude that was pussy whipped by a porn star said so.
 

yacobod

Banned
Kenny "K-flo" Florian said:
As a clean fighter this really pisses me off. This sport is about honor, technique and discipline. When did it become about who has the better PEDs or who can pass the tests better. PEDs allow you to train longer, harder and recover faster. They absolutely give you an advantage. This isn't baseball where you're hitting balls. This is fighting and you're hitting another person in the face. As a fighter how do you feel good knowing that you won using them. The fans should be mad too. How many fights are we going to miss out on due to failed pre and post fight testing? Don't do it dummies. Random testing needs to be the remedy. This is going to be one of the only ways we'll crack down on cheaters in the long term.

Kenny spitting hot fire on the subject.

Same guys railing against Nick Diaz for smoking some harmless herb found abundantly and naturally on earth are advocating for unnatural testosterone use.

LOL
 

yacobod

Banned
I also think Dana White should try to make a statement one way or the other in regards to the UFC's tolerance of steroids in the sport.

Guy's like King Mo, Nate Marquardt, and a few other guys have been let go or fired immediately after testing positive. While other guys like Muscleshark Sherk, Leben, Sonnen, Fraudreem, and others get a free pass from Zuffa.
 

alr1ght

bish gets all the credit :)
I also think Dana White should try to make a statement one way or the other in regards to the UFC's tolerance of steroids in the sport.

Guy's like King Mo, Nate Marquardt, and a few other guys have been let go or fired immediately after testing positive. While other guys like Muscleshark Sherk, Leben, Sonnen, Fraudreem, and others get a free pass from Zuffa.

All about $$$. Everything is always about $$$.
 
http://bjpenn.com/touch/single.php?p=19005&t=Evans+%2F+Jones+Clash+%7C+The+Team+You+Built+Is+Mine+Now+Says+Jones
Jones: [Greg] spoke so highly of Rashad. He really did everything he could do to keep some type of rapport.

Evans: He did everything? But he didn’t even give me a call and talk to me. Everything? He did everything! But he couldn’t even do the simplest thing. He couldn’t even pick up the phone to say “Hey, let’s talk about this.”

Jones: On the other hand, you have Rashad who is bashing the program, the history…

Evans: The history? I made that history! What are you talking about? I helped make that history. You came into it. Don’t talk about the history when you have no roots in the history. I helped make Greg Jackson. I helped make him the reason why you even wanted to come there and train.

Jones: That team is my team now. The two men discussed strategies and how both of them training under Jackson has given them insight into each other’s game plans. Jones: I’ll tell you to your face. Rashad’s way of winning this fight is his huge right hand, or trying to get me down round after round. I know the ways that I could lose this fight. I’m not naïve to my weaknesses. But at the same time, I’m a wrestler too… And I have way more technique on my feet… I know the way I can lose, and I’m training for that.

Evans: It’s such a different experience when you’re in there with me. When you’re in there with me, I get you to skip to my Lou. Skip to my Lou! You’re gonna do exactly what I want you to do, and that’s just the bottom line… The sooner you come to realize it, the more comfortable you’ll be with the results.

Jones: I feel like I’m just getting started. That’s the thing. And you’re at the end. Because I said so. And I’m gonna prove that you are. Call that “cocky.”
 

GungHo

Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
I also think Dana White should try to make a statement one way or the other in regards to the UFC's tolerance of steroids in the sport.
Is it really up to Dana White/Zuffa? I thought this was all mandated/regulated by NSAC and the other athletic commissions.
 

yacobod

Banned
JDS said:
If the athletic commission and the UFC want I'll fight him. I am a fighter and will be there to fight, but it is sure to be a disrespect to MMA and how serious is this sport. This will also be unfair, it will be unfair to me. I've never used these devices to gain strength. I think the right would do blood tests on fighters as is done in the Olympics, not the urine, since the blood is easier to detect these illegal substances. We want to know who the best really. No use to be the best liar. Being a world champion making false use of a lot of drugs, that's not being champion. I can clearly say that I am the champion without ever having the use of any illegal artifice in order to get there. I favor more rigorous tests to assess whether someone is doped. It has to be a clean sport and these tests should occur more surprises. If Overeem is more aggressive and stronger the more he will resist blows and it will be difficult for me. If I lose will be unfair. He will not have fought better than I have fought doped.

Cigano dropping bombs, and will eventually be dropping bombs on Mir come June.
 

Heel

Member
Cigano is building a feud, brah. Imagine him spitting that at a press conference. JDS vs. Overeem has to happen sooner or later.
 
Yep if the Reem gets this fight he needs to do an epic babyface-to-heel turn along with it

I would suggest wearing his Drug Free shirt again at the weigh in.
 

yacobod

Banned
If Overeem walks off on a technicality like that fraud Ryan Braun did in MLB, this will end any claim to legitimacy MMA has as a real sport.

The use of TRT should never be allowed or justified. Most of the guys using TRT were steroid abusers in the first place.

Rumor is Zuffa brass is paying for the lawyer.
 
That rumor of Zuffa footing Reem's lawyer bill is just speculation from Front Row Brian. Reem definitely has the dough to afford a top attorney like this dude.
 

yacobod

Banned
Bas Rutten's Twitter said:
Bas Rutten ‏ @BasRuttenMMA
I hear we still might c the JDS/Overeem fight? Haha, awesome. Let me get more info

johnathan willis ‏ @crunchless
that's a ridiculous message to send, having the man who just failed a drug test fighting for the title is bad juju #armyofdoom

Bas Rutten ‏ @BasRuttenMMA
i know it's freaking insane, cheating and maybe still fighting? But this is America, and crap like that happens, JDS can set it straight though if it happens. Let me get more info first, but that's news I received.

Patrick Thorne ‏ @PhatPatDaKlepto
Let Reem keep juicing, and let JDS use brass knuckles. Seems fair to me.

Bas Rutten ‏ @BasRuttenMMA
u can't juice the jaw!

need to find a Don King image to post
 

Fersis

It is illegal to Tag Fish in Tag Fishing Sanctuaries by law 38.36 of the GAF Wildlife Act
Rooting for Cigano now.

You dun goofed Reem >_>
 

bone_and_sinew

breaking down barriers in gratuitous nudity
I don't care about Overeem roiding but it's a pain in the ass to have juicers in main events since they lead to cancelled fights, weakened cards, and divisions in flux (and in Barnetto's case, an entire cancelled ppv and death of a promotion). I'd rather Dos Santos win since if Overeem does it'll be a pain in the ass for him to defend the belt since he always has some drama around him.

I just want to see good fights and not deal with all the other bullshit surrounding it. Bad enough with all the injuries occuring and bullshit occuring in fights like bad reffing and judging.
 
I like Dos Santos and he's as legit as you can get in the HW division unlike Cain. That being said my boy is Overeem and I just want to see him win the title. The lineage of this fight is just incredible and it was inevitable that these two would go at it. If Overeem wins the belt he has potential to be one of the biggest stars in MMA history. Such an easy guy to market.
 

Fersis

It is illegal to Tag Fish in Tag Fishing Sanctuaries by law 38.36 of the GAF Wildlife Act
I like Dos Santos and he's as legit as you can get in the HW division unlike Cain. That being said my boy is Overeem and I just want to see him win the title. The lineage of this fight is just incredible and it was inevitable that these two would go at it. If Overeem wins the belt he has potential to be one of the biggest stars in MMA history. Such an easy guy to market.
Not anymore.

#TeamCigano
 

dream

Member
The UFC 146 main event on 5/26 in Las Vegas is on hold for another two weeks, until the Nevada State Athletic Commission makes its official ruling on Alistair Overeem, who failed a test for having artificial testosterone in his system during a random test on 3/27.

Dana White has said two things this past week. The first was that the Cain Velasquez vs. Frank Mir fight will not be changed, meaning the two most obvious replacements for Overeem to get a shot at heavyweight champion Junior Dos Santos are out the window. The other is that, obviously, somebody will be fighting Junior Dos Santos for the heavyweight title.

It is widely expected that Overeem’s camp will attempt to make the defense that he was legally prescribed testosterone replacement therapy, and since he was not licensed yet by Nevada since his prior license expired on 12/31, he was under no obligation to inform them of it until such time as he would be licensed. Of course, bringing that up for the first time only after the failed test would raise some eyebrows, particularly when the stipulations of his last license was that he would be tested at least twice randomly over the first six months of this year out of competition.

What also hurts him is that in November, when he took the blood test instead of the urine test “by accident,” it showed his testosterone levels were normal, not high, not low, and not needing any kind of replacement therapy. While you hear people close to the situation say this is going to work and it’s a done deal, I heard all this with Chael Sonnen, how he was going to claim he needed testosterone replacement, but there are specific steps you need to go through to be approved in the major states, and it’s not simply get a note from a doctor and you’re free and clear. Only three fighters, Dan Henderson, Todd Duffee and Shane Roller have ever been approved in Nevada. Only one, Henderson, has ever been approved in California. Only two have ever been approved in Ohio. Keith Kizer, the Executive Director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission has said they won’t accept a testosterone use exemption from a fighter who damaged his endocrine system, thus is producing low levels of testosterone naturally and needs help, if the belief the damage was caused by previous steroid use.

If it’s not Overeem, it would now appear to come down to Mark Hunt (there is a twitter campaign to get Hunt the title shot which would be unfortunate because it’s pretty obvious of all the opponents, he or Werdum would draw the worst, well more likely Mir or Velasquez would draw the best and the other three would draw at an equal level, but people on key Internet MMA message boards have tried to start a campaign and flood White’s twitter to make it appear he’s the most popular choice), Fabricio Werdum (scheduled for the 6/16 show in Brazil and he did look great beating Roy Nelson, but didn’t look good in losing via decision to Overeem in his prior fight) or Dan Henderson (who has said he’d accept it, but I don’t like the idea because of the size difference.

All fights have intrigue. Hunt only has an 8-7 career record and had lost six fights in a row from 2006 to 2010, including being submitted in 63 seconds in his UFC debut with Sean McCorkle. Now 38, he does hit hard and has a good chin, or at least had one because at his age, that may no longer be the case, so presents an interesting contrast to Dos Santos, who relies on his boxing as his prime weapon. But his ground game is deficient and aside from an impressive performance against an aging and injured Cheick Kongo on 2/26 in Saitama, Japan, his other UFC wins were sloppy slobber knocker style wins over journeyman Chris Tutscherer and Ben Rothwell. It’s almost ridiculous he would get a title shot ahead of Velasquez or Mir.

Werdum, 34, is 15-5-1, with one of those losses being via knockout in 2008 against Dos Santos in just 1:21. He at least looked the part of a top contender with his most impressive striking performance of his career in beating Nelson via decision on 2/4 in Las Vegas, and does have a quick submission win over Fedor Emelianenko.

Henderson, 41, has only fought once as a heavyweight, beating Emelianenko by a first round stoppage from punches. He’s the biggest name and would draw the best of the three names, but he’s not a heavyweight, and even though very popular, is not a top draw either, just the best of the three. When his name came up this past week, he said he was up for the challenge. Right now he’s waiting for a shot at the winner of Jon Jones vs. Rashad Evans, and that’s a better match for both he and the company, so I just don’t see it being him.

According to those close to the situation, Dos Santos has been very frustrated, given that he’s in camp and has gotten no indication who his opponent will be. There is an understanding about nothing official until the hearing, but he feels that he should at least be told the backup plan, given that you couldn’t have two more different style of fighters than Hunt and Werdum, and thus, since the betting is on Overeem not being licensed, he’s in camp and completely in the dark with what he should be focusing on.

An Observer poll of the candidates for the match saw 35% favor Mir, 24% favored Velasquez, 18% favored Hunt, 17% favored Henderson and only 5% favored Werdum.

I’d think it should be Mir based on who would be ranked the highest and is coming off a win, but there are always reasons behind the scene that in this case play into the decision making here. The one with the best chance of winning and best fighter out of the bunch is probably Velasquez. But the problem is the Dos Santos vs. Velasqeuz fight ended so quickly it would be difficult to book a rematch without Velasquez getting at least one high profile win. And the winner of this fight will have earned what is currently planned to be the next title fight, likely in the fall.

The Nevada State Athletic Commission ordered a hearing on 4/24 for Overeem, who has not responded to the commission as of press time nor said anything publicly since his test result came in last week. UFC will present all relevant forms and such to allow him to apply for a license, although I don’t see how Nevada can possibly license him.

Overeem hasn’t requested for his “B” sample to be tested yet, although sources close to his camp over this past weekend had brought up asking to test the “B” sample with the hope it comes in at less than 6-1, in which case he’d be free and clear to get licensed and fight.

The first sample was 14-1 (which means he almost had to have taken a shot of testosterone just a few days before the test) and when you pee in the cup, they split your urine into two canisters, one becomes the “A” and the other the “B” so it’s from the same sample but rarely is going to yield different results. Plus, a second failed test will bring only more negative publicity. There have been times when the samples yield different results, but they are rare. If Overeem tested at 7-1 and not 14-1, the chances would be a lot better.

If Overeem goes for a license and is turned down, he could not request another license until April 24, 2013. While he would not be technically suspended, most states would not allow him to fight until he got licensed first in Nevada (which, quite frankly, is another loophole that needs to be closed because if you have a fight signed and fail a test, you should be suspended and be on the disqualified list throughout North America for the nine months or one year that is the norm for a failed test). Some states may not care like Texas as we saw with Chael Sonnen and Josh Barnett who were both allowed to fight in Texas without getting cleared in California in each case, the state of their original infraction.

The problem is at this point, nobody is going to believe he’s clean and if he’s licensed and wins the title, there will be a very negative shadow over the entire sport, from the regulators to UFC to the sport itself. I grant you if that were to happen, it’s hardly like there haven’t been world champions who were on all kinds of stuff before. But it’s a public image thing.
 
A

A More Normal Bird

Unconfirmed Member
Jaladinozozo said:
Most? I don't think most. If anything most are not juicing but a good enough number are just like in any sport.

The issue is that there's no way of reliably knowing; testing procedures are pathetic and no active participant is going to admit using unless they've already been popped (even then it's mostly put on mystery supplement X). The only thing we know is that the majority of the times when someone speaks out about PED usage, they're not saying "oh, I know a few guys from other gyms are doing it but most are clean." Instead we routinely hear figures along the line of 60 to 80 percent. The amount of training most MMA fighters are (should be?) doing makes it really difficult to go uninjured without them. Claiming an injury that doesn't require surgery is also (allegedly) a common practice so a fighter can get some time off to go through a few cycles.

Remember when Dana found out BJ was taking a day off during preparation for the second GSP fight? St. Pierre was training day in day out, so BJ looks lazy by comparison. Most people would agree that BJ probably is lazy and stubborn, but having a recovery day during training isn't evidence of that - it's something most normal humans need.

EDIT: In other news, Zuffa's purchase of Strikeforce has really upped the quality of production and promotion. See www.StrikeForce.com which demonstrates the resources Zuffa can bring to bear to promote this organisation that will most definitely not be folded any time soon.
 
wait so JDS' next opponent won't be Reem unless some miracle occurs, and then also won't be Mir or Velasquez? This PPV is legit dead. They should just take JDS and the title off the card and save what little face they have left instead of seriously trying to pass off Mark Hunt or Werdum as no. 1 contenders.
 

dream

Member
Yes, Meltzer text dump!

MOAR!

Cris Cyborg Santos’ hearing before the California State Athletic Commission on 4/9 saw them uphold her one year suspension, which lasts until 1/7. Santos, 26, tested positive for Stanazolol after her 1/7 knockout win over Hiroko Yamanaka in 16 seconds. The result of that fight has been changed to a no contest. Santos claimed that her test came up positive because one of her coaches gave her something to help her lose weight. Commissioner John Frierson applauded Santos in being contrite and admitting that she made a mistake, and wanted to cut her suspension to six months. However, the other commissioners didn’t agree and upheld the one year ban.

At the same hearing, the California commission voted to approve a new regulation that specifies how to go about it and allow therapeutic use exemptions for testosterone and marijuana. Before the rules go into effect, they still have to be passed by the Department of Consumer Affairs and the Office of Administrative Law. The regulations for getting an exemption were modeled after the process used by the World Anti-Doping Agency for Olympic athletes. The amendment read these exemptions will only be allowed if the medication is needed to maintain health and it doesn’t lead to gaining a competitive advantage in a match. While no formal regulations are in place, California has only approved one fighter, Dan Henderson, for his 11/19 fight in San Jose against Mauricio “Shogun” Rua, for testosterone replacement therapy. Henderson, already licensed to use TRT in Nevada after undergoing tests there, also had to undergo a rigorous approval process since he was California’s test case.

The 6/8 show on FX was announced as coming from Fort Lauderdale’s BankAtlantic Center. The reason it took so long to announce a location is because it was part of a promotion, the Harley Davidson Hometown Throwdown, where people would vote for their home city and whatever city got the most votes would get to host the show. It wasn’t Fort Lauderdale that got the most votes, but South Florida, and that was the arena they chose in the region. Ian McCall vs. Demetrious Johnson in the rematch of their draw in Australia in the flyweight tournament will headline. They are doing another contest where fans get to vote on which of these matches will appear on the FX version (as opposed to Fuel) with Scott Jorgensen vs. Eddie Wineland, Carlos Eduardo Rocha vs. Mike Pierce and Lance Benoist vs. Seth Baczynski. The other two FX matches will be Charlie Brenneman vs. Erick Silva and Josh Neer vs. Mike Pyle.

Plans for the 4/14 show is for the prelims to air on Facebook starting at 12:30 p.m. with Jason Young vs. Eric Wisely, Simeon Thoresen vs. Besam Yousef, Reza Madadi vs. Yolslandy Izquierdo, Tom DeBlass vs. Cyrille Diabate and James Head vs. Papy Abedi. The live show starts at 3 p.m. Eastern time, which means Noon on the West Coast, with Damacio Page vs. Brad Pickett, DaMarques Johnson vs. John Maguire, Diego Nunes vs. Dennis Siver, Paulo Thiago vs. Siyar Bahadurzada, Brian Stann vs. Alessio Sakara and Alexander Gustafsson vs. Thiago Silva.

There are a number of media reports that FOX is gearing up for a national all sports channel, following the lead of NBC which created NBC Sports this year, and CBS Sports Network. The idea is to challenge ESPN as the leader in sports. It is expected that Fuel would be converted to the new channel, which means UFC would be on the ground floor when it comes to programming of the channel.

The match order for UFC 146 on 5/26 in Las Vegas has been announced. Mike Brown vs. Daniel Pineda, Kyle Kingsbury vs. Glover Teixeira, Dan Hardy vs. Duane Bang Ludwig, Paul Sass vs. Jacob Volkmann, C.B. Dollaway vs. Mayhem Miller, Edson Barboza vs. Evan Dunham and Diego Brandao vs. Darren Elkins are the prelims. That’s quite a loaded show between rising stars (Pineda, Barboza and Brandao), Miller’s fighting for UFC survival. Sass is an incredible submission machine when he gets fights to the ground. Hardy is also fighting for his career. Brandao won the last season of Ultimate Fighter and looked like a star in the process. The live PPV fights in order are Mark Hunt vs. Stefan Struve, Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Shane Del Rosario, Roy Nelson vs. Antonio Silva, Cain Velasquez vs. Frank Mir and Junior Dos Santos vs. Alistair Overeem for the heavyweight title.

The reason the Michael Bisping vs. Tim Boetsch fight ended up happening is that Bisping was offered Cung Le, but felt that since Le was coming off a loss, there was no up side in the fight. He was offered Mark Munoz in a No. 1 contenders fight, but not until August as Munoz won’t be fully ready until then after his elbow surgery. He wanted to fight sooner and Boetsch was the best fighter available for 7/7.

There have been rumors that K-1 will be back in business this year running seven shows, but not as a Japanese organization, with the idea of running in Los Angeles and New York for the end of the year Grand Prix tournament. We’ll see. The K-1 Grand Prix means nothing in the U.S. It would be like moving the Stanley Cup to Japan or New Zealand or something where nobody knows any of the players or teams. But with the Japanese TV situation dead, it can’t viably be run there. But how do they think they can do it in the U.S? If you’re not UFC or WWE, or the big three or four boxers, you have a really hard time selling any tickets and can’t do live PPV and make money. The new group, backed by a Korean group headed by Mike Kim, is planning its first show on 5/27 in Madrid, Spain.
 

Heel

Member
The match order for UFC 146 on 5/26 in Las Vegas has been announced. Mike Brown vs. Daniel Pineda, Kyle Kingsbury vs. Glover Teixeira, Dan Hardy vs. Duane Bang Ludwig, Paul Sass vs. Jacob Volkmann, C.B. Dollaway vs. Mayhem Miller, Edson Barboza vs. Evan Dunham and Diego Brandao vs. Darren Elkins are the prelims.

What a card.

Bisping was offered Cung Le? C'mon son.
 
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