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this is going to end very badly.
If these 3 girls are stoned to death or pushed off a building would it draw the UK in to the conflict?
No. UK public won't sympathize with them.
this is going to end very badly.
If these 3 girls are stoned to death or pushed off a building would it draw the UK in to the conflict?
Cults prey on the ignorant, uneducated and gullible. Not really anything new.Come on seriously? They didn't know what they were getting in to? They don't know what ISIS is? They don't know if the atrocities they are committing? They've never watched the news? They think we make ever last bit of it up?
Sorry but that's not going to wash with me. My 12 year old brother, hell even my 10 year old brother knows the difference between ISIS and normal Muslims, and understands what ISIS represent.
Funny how it's ok to just let them come back, teach them to not repeat the same mistake again and have them talk about their experience. Imagine how the average Iraqi feels when these terrorists coming from the western world travel to their country and kill or aid in the killings of their people, friends and family and then get to travel back to their country with a light punishment that gives them an even better life than the people they killed or helped to kill in jail. It really does speak volumes of how lots westerners view the life of Iraqis, which is less than the dirt under their shoes. Not exactly a surprise when you consider how their democratically elected governments participated in U.S. WMD (lol) fiasco.They're so high profile in the UK that they would be useful. Get them talking to other girls about the experience.
If this story is true I doubt they will make it very long sadly.
No. UK public won't sympathize with them.
They also traveled to another country which they entered in an illegal and aren't'the citizens of and settled down in a city where they know no one. Are you going to tell us that they can't tell that something is wrong even from simple basic things like that which even a 9 year old is taught in industrial countries in Europe? The amount of excuses people make for people joining and aiding IS here is mindblowing. It's like seeing light versions of liger05 and kobashi everywhere.Cults prey on the ignorant, uneducated and gullible. Not really anything new.
Also it's pretty presumptuous to ascribe your own level of information on literally everyone in the west, or whatever you're getting at.
Funny how it's ok to just let them come back, teach them to not repeat the same mistake again and have them talk about their experience. Imagine how the average Iraqi feels when these terrorists coming from the western world travel to their country and kill or aid in the killings of their people, friends and family and then get to travel back to their country with a light punishment that gives them an even better life than the people they killed or helped to kill in jail. It really does speak volumes of how lots westerners view the life of Iraqis, which is less than the dirt under their shoes. Not exactly a surprise when you consider how their democratically elected governments participated in U.S. WMD (lol) fiasco.
Meanwhile if a terrorist with non-EU citizenship carried out, plotted or aided in terrorist attacks in Europe you'd already find that person facing strict punishment there. They sure as hell wouldn't get a free pass to travel back to their country.
Fuck these terrorist, and that includes the scum this topic is about who were educated in the west and still willingly went to aid other terrorists.
They also traveled to another country which they entered in an illegal and aren't'the citizens of and settled down in a city where they know no one. Are you going to tell us that they can't tell that something is wrong even from simple basic things like that which even a 9 year old is taught in industrial countries in Europe? The amount of excuses people make for people joining and aiding IS here is mindblowing. It's like seeing light versions of liger05 and kobashi everywhere.
I'm intrigued. What is it that you perceive as "our way of life"?
Not Sweet Baby Ray's!
Never think that all other people are as informed as you or have the same outlook on things.
Cults prey on the ignorant, uneducated and gullible. Not really anything new.
Also it's pretty presumptuous to ascribe your own level of information on literally everyone in the west, or whatever you're getting at.
I'm pretty sure they beat and stoned to death a woman quite recently.
I highly doubt that. And the alternatives are abuse and rape.
They are not aware of the whole dimension of the IS, what they stand for, what they do and what awaits them.
I don't excuse anything. These girls are fucking stupid. But that's all they are. They aren't the ones actively raping and pillaging.They also traveled to another country which they entered in an illegal and aren't'the citizens of and settled down in a city where they know no one. Are you going to tell us that they can't tell that something is wrong even from simple basic things like that which even a 9 year old is taught in industrial countries in Europe? The amount of excuses people make for people joining and aiding IS here is mindblowing. It's like seeing light versions of liger05 and kobashi everywhere.
Please, simple googling ISIS will give you all info about them, they knew what they are getting into. They are 16 years old, they know how to use internet.
And Going Clear is on HBO, yet we still have english-speaking scientologists.Like I said above, they were raised in the UK. They had the same level of education as the rest of us.
A 10 year old child knows what ISIS represents....
They are also dumb 16 year olds told by people they trust not to believe the mean things about the IS they may found on the internet (then, you also have mainstream channels like Russia Today spreading all kinds of conflicting, conspiranoid bullshit) while selling them a glorious future next to a noble fighter warrying for justice. Most teenagers will probably bail, but gullible ones may fall for it.
It's cult tactics 101.
I don't understand what the fuck goes through their mind
Were do we draw the line? It is still their choice and they went willingly. It's on them in the end and they need to deal with the consequences of joining a terrorist organisation.Exactly. Clever people do stupid things all the time.
This argument that "they knew what they were getting into" is so demonstrably false because if that were true they wouldn't be running away from it now.
Sadly I'm in the fuck em camp.
Were do we draw the line? It is still their choice and they went willingly. It's on them in the end and they need to deal with the consequences of joining a terrorist organisation.
If they make it back, they need to be arrested and seen if they participated in any killings or other crimes. And I think the act of joining a terrorist organisation is a crime in itself already.
The fuck is this shit?I find it weird that people who go and hang out with a gang of rapists and murderers are surprised to find out that they are unsavoury characters. Now they are trapped and probably have been gangraped to high heaven, they want to invoke civis romanus sum.. I wanna yell at any of these wannabe jihadis and their enablers, bitch what the fuck is wrong with you? I hate the whole "someone needs to get laid" bullshit cos of the toxic bullshit that can arise from it, but damn it there is some truth to it.
Maybe not murdering anyone themselves. But surely they know that ISIS does murder people and by joining them they are supporting that.I think most of us are fine with that. I'm just disputing that they booked their flights thinking about murdering anyone.
As far as I'm concerned, right now they are more valuable for us than they are for them.
Maybe not murdering anyone themselves. But surely they know that ISIS does murder people and by joining them they are supporting that.
this is going to end very badly.
If these 3 girls are stoned to death or pushed off a building would it draw the UK in to the conflict?
They are also dumb 16 year olds told by people they trust not to believe the mean things about the IS they may found on the internet (then, you also have mainstream channels like Russia Today spreading all kinds of conflicting, conspiranoid bullshit) while selling them a glorious future next to a noble fighter warrying for justice. Most teenagers will probably bail, but gullible ones may fall for it.
It's cult tactics 101.
Exactly. Clever people do stupid things all the time.
This argument that "they knew what they were getting into" is so demonstrably false because if that were true they wouldn't be running away from it now.
Cults prey on the ignorant, uneducated and gullible. Not really anything new.
Fighting the good fight as you call it would still supporting killing people just because they live different lives or believe in different things. They must have known that and agree with that to some extend.They believe they are fighting the good fight and that most if not all of the terrible stuff about IS in the mainstream media is Western propaganda.
That's how it works. Because they are gullible young people under the influence of smarter adults powering a veritable war machine. This is also why they wake the fuck up as soon as they reach IS-land and see the truth with their own eyes.
We aren't exactly talking about thugs going to war and suddenly finding that they were not done for the trench lifestyle.
Fighting the good fight as you call it would still supporting killing people just because they live different lives or believe in different things. They must have known that and agree with that to some extend.
Sorry, but I don't see that much difference with the guys going down there to do the actual killing. Both is supporting the same thing and both see when they arrive that it is way different then they would have thought.
I still put a lot of blame on them, even though I find it incredibly strange how their parents didn't catch any of this and stopped them from going.
The fuck is this shit?
They are not making it with girls and so they turn to other forms of spiritual comfort, which of course is no comfort, he added. Johnson, who is a leading candidate to be the next Tory leader, referenced an MI5 profile on jihadis as evidence for his claims.
I'd like to feel more sympathetic than I am, but tough shit basically. Make your bed you lie in it.
Sure, they think they are doing the right thing. But that right thing still includes killing people for your faith and any reasonable person would find that abhorrent.But with the right propaganda it's easy to see ISIS as freedom fighters taking back what rightfully belongs to Islam. All the nasty stuff you see on TV is "just western propaganda". There are enough conspiracy theorists like 9/11 truthers out there to know that if you press the right buttons you can get anyone to believe anything.
I mean what do people like you think they were going out there for? Do you think should they get back to the UK they'll be telling the authorities that "we were expecting a better class of barbaric murderous rapist"?
Agreed. I mean yea they should have thought more critically before making a move but at the same time they're more or less still kids and extremely naive.
Shit, I've done so many dumb things at that age.
That is scary, and I wonder what made these young girls think that was not going to end horribly?
But in the end it is supporting a terrorist organisation that does horrible things and you can't tell me they aren't aware of ISIS beheading people. That has been all over the news and must have reached them. That implies to me they support that kind of thing or just don't care about it - which is just as bad.
This isn't even dumb. This is outright insanity.
What teen leaves her family to marry some bloke in a war zone?