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College Football Week 13 - Sparty ain't worried 'bout no clock

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Draxal

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Honestly, I kinda think the top 10 schools are interchangable and all have their pluses and minuses.

mre said:
Georgia is a fine job, but I'd put it behind Michigan, Ohio State, SoCal and Georgia Tech, in that order.
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Forgot Gata and Georgia Southern.
 
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Randolph Freelander

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I mean, off the top of my head, I wouldn't lump them in with Alabama, Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, the overrated Texas job, Rutgers, then you get into Florida, Florida State, LSU, then maybe you start talking Georgia.

They're in that mix. Not top 5, probably somewhere in the next 5.
 
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andycapps

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mre said:
Georgia is a fine job, but I'd put it behind Michigan, Ohio State, SoCal and Georgia Tech, in that order.
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And here I thought we were cool

Lonestar, agree on the facilities, but that'll change in 2017. Ironically thanks to Richt/Pruitt.
 
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Sirpopopop

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Agreed with Randolph's list.

Other schools ahead of Georgia not mentioned - Indiana, Michigan State, Penn State, & Maryland.

They play in the best division in the best conference in all the land.
 
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Karl2177

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Sirpopopop said:
Agreed with Randolph's list.

Other schools ahead of Georgia not mentioned - Indiana, Michigan State, Penn State, & Maryland.

They play in the best division in the best conference in all the land.
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But not Rutgers? Who is this guy? Not a Rutgers fan, that's who.
 
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ryseing

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Balphon said:
Probably, stupid as it may be.
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I hold a firm belief that you should need to win at least your division to get in, if only to avoid a repeat of 2011.

Win the division, but lose the conference championship close and have a good resume otherwise? Fine.
 
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Vanillalite

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You all know me as a GT fan I hate UGA.

That being said can anyone really give me a compelling reason why Bama should be the top flight SEC school and not UGA other than CNS?

Why shouldn't UGA be a top 10 if not top 5 program every year when you look at the whole situation? The fact that just up the road Clemson is 12-0 not UGA despite UGA having greater natural advantages is crazy (other than the conference).

The only knock they have if facilities which are being built. The history nonsense would only matter if the fanbase didn't give a fuck, and trust me they give a ton of fucks.
 
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GoldenEye 007

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Kansas with some great stuff coming out this past week. First was their mascot yacking in a trashcan. Then there's this!

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Randolph Freelander

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ryseing said:
I hold a firm belief that you should need to win at least your division to get in, if only to avoid a repeat of 2011.

Win the division, but lose the conference championship close and have a good resume otherwise? Fine.
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You don't want a repeat of letting the best team in the nation have a shot at the championship?
 
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chaosblade

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Randolph Freelander said:
You don't want a repeat of letting the best team in the nation have a shot at the championship?
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As a Bama fan I'm glad it worked out the way it did, but no, we shouldn't have been there. We had our shot at LSU and blew it. And I got the impression most of the country felt the same way.

I don't really agree with the reasoning though. Imagine if MSU had lost to Oregon and had a fluke loss to Air Force, for example. Then they beat Iowa. 1 loss OSU is sitting out with no shot at a playoff berth because they lost one game, and it happened to be to the eventual division winner? I think conference championships should carry some weight but not be the deciding factor. Division champ shouldn't mean anything though.
 
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GoldenEye 007

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Why not just re-contract the Browns or have them be the team to move to LA or wherever. Transfer the lore/history to the Ravens if it isn't already there and be done with it?

Surely it would end the suffering in Cleveland!?
 
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bucknuticus

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GoldenEye 007 said:
Why not just re-contract the Browns or have them be the team to move to LA or wherever. Transfer the lore/history to the Ravens if it isn't already there and be done with it?

Surely it would end the suffering in Cleveland!?
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Why? the browns make a shit load of money, they could never win a game again and still make a shitload. Only them and the Packers can pretty much say that.
 
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GoldenEye 007

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bucknuticus said:
Why? the browns make a shit load of money, they could never win a game again and still make a shitload. Only them and the Packers can pretty much say that.
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Well I'm sure all NFL teams make money to varying degrees. Just a suggestion! The misery has to be off the charts!

I mean, I really wasn't that serious lol.
 
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mre

Golden Domers are chickenshit!!
Vanillalite said:
You all know me as a GT fan I hate UGA.

That being said can anyone really give me a compelling reason why Bama should be the top flight SEC school and not UGA other than CNS?

Why shouldn't UGA be a top 10 if not top 5 program every year when you look at the whole situation? The fact that just up the road Clemson is 12-0 not UGA despite UGA having greater natural advantages is crazy (other than the conference).

The only knock they have if facilities which are being built. The history nonsense would only matter if the fanbase didn't give a fuck, and trust me they give a ton of fucks.
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This is like asking why Michigan is Michigan, not Michigan State. Or why Texas is Texas, not Aggy. Or why Notre Dame is Notre Dame, not Ohio State. History and tradition do matter, because even in a down cycle you can point at all the trophies you've won and pitch the kids on being part of something special by bringing the school back to playing championship ball.

This isn't to say that Georgia doesn't have history or tradition, because they certainly do. But they're not a Texas, or a Michigan, or a Notre Dame in that department.

Any advantage UGA has in local talent is partially negated by the parity rules in college football. No matter how talent rich Georgia is, UGA can only sign so many players, and they're never going to sign ALL of the top talent in the state, because some kids are always going to leave just because. UGA's talent advantage is also really weakened by the number of strong powerhouse programs in the bordering states: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, South Carolina and Clemson all come into Georgia and steal top recruits.
 
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Just Some Guy

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So when bama goes and loses in the first round of the playoffs again, will it finally end the preseason rankings nonsense that sees 8-12 sec teams ranked in the top 25 next year?
 
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Sirpopopop

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Our new AD Patrick Hobbs smashed all press conference records with his first press conference on the head coach search and his priorities for the school.

Truly, the best AD hire I've seen in a long time anywhere. This guy is going to be better than Tom Jurich. It's already ordained.
 
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GoldenEye 007

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Whatever report came out about Babers and UCF was 100% wrong. Not happening. UCF might have offered but seems like he wasn't going to shake on a deal until after the championship game. Doubt UCF was going to wait for that. Schiano did receive an offer and interviewed but also was waiting around.

So... anybody know anything about Scott Frost out of Oregon? Because he's going to be the coach. I'm at least counting on some sick uniforms.
 
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andycapps

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Vanillalite said:
You all know me as a GT fan I hate UGA.

That being said can anyone really give me a compelling reason why Bama should be the top flight SEC school and not UGA other than CNS?

Why shouldn't UGA be a top 10 if not top 5 program every year when you look at the whole situation? The fact that just up the road Clemson is 12-0 not UGA despite UGA having greater natural advantages is crazy (other than the conference).

The only knock they have if facilities which are being built. The history nonsense would only matter if the fanbase didn't give a fuck, and trust me they give a ton of fucks.
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Pristine level post incoming..

There's a couple things here, when I talk about top jobs in the country, I'm not only talking about historical success. That plays into it, but I'm also talking about the recruiting base, facilities, booster support, financial conditions of the athletic program, what have you done lately?, etc.

Bama is ahead of UGA because their facilities are better at the present time, Saban is the best coach in CFB, and they've won multiple national championships in the last decade. So while their recruiting base is not quite as good as UGA's, they can get players from Georgia, maybe a couple from Louisiana, Tennessee, and really anywhere else they feel like recruiting. That success this decade is what highschool recruits pay attention to, and their facilities are great.

I'm not going to rank programs in a particular order, but with the above being said, I think that UGA ranks just behind programs like Bama, tOSU, and USC.

Like you said, the facilities at UGA are just behind some of those, but the indoor practice field is breaking ground this week and is aimed to be the nicest one in the country. Long overdue, but like I mentioned before, we have Richt and Pruitt to thank for that. That and a couple other things with Pruitt being super aggressive with the admin might have been his undoing, but there's a chance he gets retained if the next coach pushes for full autonomy in his assistant coaching hires (been a holdup with admin in the past). There's some that have brought up an interesting idea that the major donors for the indoor practice facility may have held their donations hostage until Richt was fired. I think that's a very real possibility.

There's no reason that UGA shouldn't be right in that group with the facilities that they have and will have combined with the recruiting base. Especially given they just fired a coach who averages 10 wins a season, fans are obviously wanting more than that. They're wanting championships. Will Leitch wrote a good article on that yesterday.. Basically that UGA for years prided themselves on being the program doing it the right way, that it wasn't all about wins. Well, now you can no longer say that. You may be able to have both in the future, but what they did to Richt kind of sabotages that idea.

I moved to Athens, Georgia, more than two years ago, and ever since I got here, I've been told how different it is. Sure, they're crazy about college football in Athens -- I'll never forget the first time I went to a grocery store here, a 4-year-old-boy just randomly started barking in the checkout line -- but people have taken great pains to note that they're not like those people. We love football, but, to borrow a long- hackneyed phrase from baseball, they love it the right way. They would never hire someone solely to win games, in any sport; when Bruce Pearl came on the market after his NCAA suspension ended, Georgia couldn't turn up its nose fast enough. We would never win that way. (Former coach Jim Harrick earned the program a four-year probation, and he is spoken of today only in whispers.) They would never be Tallahassee, they told me, or Happy Valley, places so obsessed with winning that they would ignore, willfully or otherwise, a cancer at its core. This is the place where the hometown cops don't look away when a student-athlete commits a minor crime; the rules are the same for everyone, even if it hurts the team.

College football can take over towns, change their central character, but the whole Georgia thing is that it's something you should be as proud of as they are of themselves. It's a place where a guy can coach for 15 years without winning a national championship, and it's OK, because his teams are competitive every year, he will never embarrass the program or the city and he's a prince of a human being. Sometimes you see him at the dry cleaner. He says hi, and waves, and everyone has an extra bounce in their step the rest of the day.

And it has set the tone for the whole town. I love my adopted hometown, a place where Jason Aldean, Jason Isbell and Cracker comfortably play shows on consecutive nights, where even the philosophy professors have season tickets, where you can run into Michael Stipe and Tim Tebow at the same restaurant on the same night. (The National, get there.) It's a place that loves football but is not of football. It's passionate about football, but not insane about it. You gather every home Saturday to celebrate and cheer, and you welcome others. You don't see fights at Georgia tailgates. They have told me this place is special, different, and I have believed them. This has become my home. I feel good here.

But I can't help but feel something about it changed Sunday morning.

I don't mean to be overdramatic about it: My kids made it to school just fine this morning without being attacked by sharks or anything. But when Georgia athletic director Greg McGarity announced Sunday morning that the university and head football coach Mark Richt had "mutually agreed" that Richt would step down -- which everyone knew was an actual firing -- it felt like a shift in what this school, and thus this town, is about.

For 100 years, Georgia football was Georgia football, the world of Vince Dooley, and Herschel Walker, and Todd Gurley, and yes, Mark Richt. This was its own unique animal, one that wanted to win, sure, obviously, but also wanted specifically to do it its own quiet way. This was a place that looked at Tennessee firing Phil Fulmer, or LSU considering firing Les Miles, and it shook its head and chuckled. We would never be so brash and reactionary: It's different here. And then, Sunday, Georgia football announced that it wasn't satisfied being Georgia football. It wanted to be Alabama football.

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The move to fire Richt was, in this way, the precise reactionary one that Georgia has always claimed it wasn't about. At a bizarre press conference on Monday morning, McGarity attempted to keep up the façade that Georgia remained the classy place you thought it was, heaping praise on the man he had just fired right as he sat next to him. He was able to bathe himself in the Christian good nature of Richt, who answered questions honestly but with no malice or anger toward the executioner a few feet away; Richt, by taking the high ground at every opportunity, allowed McGarity to believe he was somehow still doing things the Right Way, even as he evaded every question and refused to even give a reason for Richt's dismissal.

Richt said he told his players that the way you feel and the way you act should be two different things, and he couldn't have exemplified that any better in his press conference. McGarity tried to pretend he was somehow doing the right thing by Richt by standing beside him, that it meant Georgia football Stood For Something. But the only reason you felt that way was because of Richt.
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mre said:
This is like asking why Michigan is Michigan, not Michigan State. Or why Texas is Texas, not Aggy. Or why Notre Dame is Notre Dame, not Ohio State. History and tradition do matter, because even in a down cycle you can point at all the trophies you've won and pitch the kids on being part of something special by bringing the school back to playing championship ball.

This isn't to say that Georgia doesn't have history or tradition, because they certainly do. But they're not a Texas, or a Michigan, or a Notre Dame in that department.

Any advantage UGA has in local talent is partially negated by the parity rules in college football. No matter how talent rich Georgia is, UGA can only sign so many players, and they're never going to sign ALL of the top talent in the state, because some kids are always going to leave just because. UGA's talent advantage is also really weakened by the number of strong powerhouse programs in the bordering states: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, South Carolina and Clemson all come into Georgia and steal top recruits.
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Nailed all this, but I do have some differences with your analysis that I put up above.

I do think that there are some areas of the team that UGA could really improve in the future with a different focus in recruiting. One constant on Bama's teams is their lines. OL and DL are best of the best. UGA has always focuses on QB's and skill position players. That's Richt's wheelhouse. If we start recruiting thinking about our lines, things could quickly change. As of now, our OL recruits this year are already looking better than they have in a few years at least.
 
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Sirpopopop

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Another great thing about Patrick Hobbs that I feel you all should know: he's an ethical dude. He was Chris Christie's ethics ombudsman.
 
Nialrot

Nialrot

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GoldenEye 007 said:
Whatever report came out about Babers and UCF was 100% wrong. Not happening. UCF might have offered but seems like he wasn't going to shake on a deal until after the championship game. Doubt UCF was going to wait for that. Schiano did receive an offer and interviewed but also was waiting around.

So... anybody know anything about Scott Frost out of Oregon? Because he's going to be the coach. I'm at least counting on some sick uniforms.
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Pretty excited about this hire. Going to be fun watching UCF football with Frost at the helm. Should be able snag some of that Florida speed and put it to good use.
 
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GoldenEye 007

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Sarye said:
GoldenEye 007, looks like Scott Frost (Offensive Coordinator Oregon) is your man. Looks like a good hire.
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Nialrot said:
Pretty excited about this hire. Going to be fun watching UCF football with Frost at the helm. Should be able snag some of that Florida speed and put it to good use.
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Yeah just completely out of left field. Apparantely Sciano was always the frontrunner, but took too long. Frost was 1B. Don't know much about him, but the more I see on paper, the more I like. Great pedigree and experience in the coordinator ranks - both offense and defense.

Only concern is he's obviously never had to build a staff. But otherwise looks like a really solid pickup.
 
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Karl2177

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Frost is who I wanted for Iowa State, but I guess Campbell's alright lol. Frost is a good pickup. Hopefully he can deliver a quality staff.
 
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mre

Golden Domers are chickenshit!!
andycapps said:
Couple of those gifs belong in next week's OP, but especially the Muschamp one. I really hope that Smart doesn't bring Muschamp along with him so I have to try to like him. He may be a UGA grad, but he's embarrassing.

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I'll see if I can find it, but there was one of Muschamp losing his shit like this, but it was right before a break, so the gif ends with CBS' fall leaves graphics. It was the cherry on top.

Edit: can't find the long version, but here's a short one:

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:jnc
 
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andycapps

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mre said:
I'll see if I can find it, but there was one of Muschamp losing his shit like this, but it was right before a break, so the gif ends with CBS' fall leaves graphics. It was the cherry on top.
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The funny thing is, look at the guys on the sideline.. They don't know how to respond to his outbursts.
 
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JCX

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Of course I have a weekend at a comedy club in Ann Arbor this weekend. Very tempted to wear an MSU shirt on stage.
 
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Mac the KNife

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JCX said:
Of course I have a weekend at a comedy club in Ann Arbor this weekend. Very tempted to wear an MSU shirt on stage.
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If you have heckler-based set, you'd be good to go.

So apparently all the hotels in Indianapolis are taken up by some big high school swim meet. Bravo Big Ten, Jim Delany and the City of Indianapolis.
 
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bucknuticus

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Mac the KNife said:
If you have heckler-based set, you'd be good to go.

So apparently all the hotels in Indianapolis are taken up by some big high school swim meet. Bravo Big Ten, Jim Delany and the City of Indianapolis.
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When I went 2 years ago vs sparty a lot of the bars ran out of beer before the game
 
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andycapps

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Mac the KNife said:
If you have heckler-based set, you'd be good to go.

So apparently all the hotels in Indianapolis are taken up by some big high school swim meet. Bravo Big Ten, Jim Delany and the City of Indianapolis.
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This is where we can be glad that Indianapolis isn't hosting the CFP anytime soon.
 
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