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Mini Mafia III |OT| An Amazing Alien Abduction Adventure

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batsnacks

Member
unofficial vote count

Day 1 votes

batsnacks (1)
gorlak 57
timeaisis 82 (200)
crab 423 (423)

squidyj (1)
haly 58 (115)
ccs 413

gorlak (0)
ourobolus 60 (215)
batsnacks 63 (260)
kawl_usc 175 (323)
timeaisis 200 (493)

ourobolus (2)
lone_prodigy 69 (165)
czartim 106 (169)
haly 115 (202)
crab 423
timeaisis 493

ccs (0)
kawl_usc 90 (132)

kawl_usc (0)
melonrabbit 109 (111)

rabbitmelon (0)
melonrabbit 111 (137)

melonrabbit (1)
kawl_usc 132 (175)
lone_prodigy 395

crab (2)
melonrabbit 137 (237)
kawl_usc 373
batsnacks 375 (441)
czartim 442

lone_prodigy (2)
czartim 169 (442)
haly 202
crab 222 (423)
batsnacks 260 (343)
kawl_usc 323 (347)
melonrabbit 409

timeasis (1)
ourobolus 215

kyanrute (1)
squidyj 259

timeaisis (1)
ccs 310 (379)
kyanrute 491

czartim (0)
kawl_usc 347 (373)
 
S

squidyj

Member
Ourobolus said:
I've come around a bit on LP being possibly Town. possibly
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You have but I have two problems.
1, It doesn't seem to have happened openly as early as kawl seems to think it has, at least not as far as what I've read indicates.
2. You started from a clearly stated position that LP was a goon. Updating that position can mean you recognized the flaw in your disingenuous scum plan and are working to salvage it just as much as it means you are coming around to things.

So If we lynched Time and he was town how would that make you feel about LP?
 
O

Ourobolus

Banned
squidyj said:
You have but I have two problems.
1, It doesn't seem to have happened openly as early as kawl seems to think it has, at least not as far as what I've read indicates.
2. You started from a clearly stated position that LP was a goon. Updating that position can mean you recognized the flaw in your disingenuous scum plan and are working to salvage it just as much as it means you are coming around to things.

So If we lynched Time and he was town how would that make you feel about LP?
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Hm, not sure.
stop figuring out my disingenuous scum plan

I'd have to reconsider a few things.
 
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CCS

Banned
I just don't like inactives.

People I would not lynch today:

Ouro
Bat
Gorlak
Melon
Kawl

People I would prefer not to lynch:

Tim
Time
Haly

People I would be happy to lynch:

Squidy - Policy lynch.
Crab - Not exactly strong scum read, but then none of my reads are. One or two moments that might have been scum tells, and if is scum we won't get many.
LP - Even if he flips town, analysis of voting pattern on him could be helpful.
Kyan - Not sure he's scum, but the way he's playing is almost impossible to tell. Lynch to remove uncertainty.
 
K

Kawl_USC

Member
Haly said:
I think batsnacks is just shooting in the dark but it does strike me as a town play for D1.

I'm more suspicious of Lone_Prodigy backing off of Ouro. I'd like to think they wouldn't be that obvious about it but I'm not too convinced in Gorlak.

Vote: Lone_Prodigy
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Just for the record first person to call out LPs unvote as scummy followed by time and then ccs with saying a scum read of LP.

But I'll admit I feel a bit gas lighted here because I swear I had seen a post before ouros this afternoon about believing the backing off thing. But I'll be damned if I can find it skimming back through the thread quickly.

Mea Culpa

Point squidy.
 
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batsnacks

Member
Kawl_USC said:
Just for the record first person to call out LPs unvote as scummy followed by time and then ccs with saying a scum read of LP.

But I'll admit I feel a bit gas lighted here because I swear I had seen a post before ouros this afternoon about believing the backing off thing. But I'll be damned if I can find it skimming back through the thread quickly.

Mea Culpa

Point squidy.
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I think it was Tim actually

also lol I read this as you feel a bit gassy
 
D

Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
Going to be p. upset if we don't lynch Ouro at this point. It would basically entrench the idea that to succeed as GAFia scum you just post a lot but make sure there's not much of value.
 
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Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
batsnacks said:
it's "better" somehow if he's town?
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I mean, worst case scenario: he's like the least useful town player if he is town. Even squidy's done more and squidy's posted like twice. I'm not going to be weeping tears of sorrow if I'm wrong, especially on D1.
 
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CzarTim

Member
Crab said:
Going to be p. upset if we don't lynch Ouro at this point. It would basically entrench the idea that to succeed as GAFia scum you just post a lot but make sure there's not much of value.
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If we voted every player who isn't helping gafia would never do anything else.
 
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Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
because it's ouro, i might pour one out, though

i'll get a gif or something
 
O

Ourobolus

Banned
Crab said:
I mean, worst case scenario: he's like the least useful town player if he is town. Even squidy's done more and squidy's posted like twice. I'm not going to be weeping tears of sorrow if I'm wrong, especially on D1.
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Am I? What if I'm right? Huh? HUH?
 
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batsnacks

Member
Crab said:
I mean, worst case scenario: he's like the least useful town player if he is town. Even squidy's done more and squidy's posted like twice. I'm not going to be weeping tears of sorrow if I'm wrong, especially on D1.
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yeah but that's not "better for gafia meta" if he's mafia all the same stuff still applies. Bad/wrong doesn't mean mafia. Town is wrong and bad too.

He's done more than gorlak who hasn't contributed since thread post #57.
 
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batsnacks

Member
batsnacks said:
yeah but that's not "better for gafia meta" if he's mafia all the same stuff still applies. Bad/wrong doesn't mean mafia. Town is wrong and bad too.

He's done more than gorlak who hasn't contributed since thread post #57.
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The dude usually does work for town too.
 
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YesNOnoNOYes

Member
CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Crab (2)
melonrabbit #137 #237
Kawl_USC #373
batsnacks #375 #441
CzarTim #442

Timeaisis (2)
Ourobolus #215 #504
CCS #310 #379
Kyanrute #491
Ourobolus #504

Lone_Prodigy (2)
CzarTim #169 #442
Haly #202
Crab #222 #423
batsnacks #260 #343
Kawl_USC #323 #347
melonrabbit #409

Ourobolus (2)
Lone_Prodigy #69 #165
CzarTim #106 #169
Haly #115 #202
Crab #423
Timeaisis #493

squidyj (1)
Haly #58 #115
CCS #413

melonrabbit (1)
Kawl_USC #132 #175
Lone_Prodigy #395

Kyanrute (1)
squidyj #259

batsnacks (1)
Gorlak #57
Timeaisis #82 #200

CzarTim (0): Kawl_USC #347 #373

Kawl_USC (0): melonrabbit #109 #111

Gorlak (0): Ourobolus #60 #215, batsnacks #63 #260, Kawl_USC #175 #323, Timeaisis #200 #493

CCS (0): Kawl_USC #90 #132

No active vote for Day 1: batsnacks (has previously voted)


Day 1 ends:
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Automated vote tally here

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K

Kawl_USC

Member
Crab said:
I mean, worst case scenario: he's like the least useful town player if he is town. Even squidy's done more and squidy's posted like twice. I'm not going to be weeping tears of sorrow if I'm wrong, especially on D1.
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People are also allowed to have bad day phases without it being an utter condemnation of our meta.

But I agree our metas trash. That's another conversation.
 
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Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
batsnacks said:
The dude usually does work for town too.
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wut

Gorlak's done a lot of work. He's pushed Kawl, relatively untouched by most other players, went after melon's vote on LP, which is like the only LP vote not discussed to death at this point, pushed batsnacks on squidy. He's not given many reads, I agree, and I'd like to see one before day end for obvious reasons, but in terms of getting other players to have to put forward commentary, he's done better than most other players. Genuinely not sure why you'd be looking at Gorlak as a priority.
 
G

Gorlak

Banned
Kawl_USC said:
I thought the interactions between crab and tim seemed stilted and not genuine. I voted tim and had a dialogue with him since he was around. His responses to me made me feel better about him and so I became more likely that the odd interaction and unease in the timXcrab postings was coming from crabs side. He has since surfaced, and is creating good discussion and putting forth good points, but that's exactly what I expect from crab regardless of alignment. With a player of his caliber I feel you have to latch on to and keep in mind any thing that feels off, rather than buying into what feels right.
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So something about timxcrab felt off, while tim's later behaviour made you feel good about him(tim) so you won't vote him, crab's later behaviour also made you feel good about him (crab), but you will still vote him.

basically tim's not a player of "that" caliber? gotcha
 
K

Kawl_USC

Member
Question for the room: mafia stackijg votes right now or spread out? My gut says spread out since we have so many vote recipients
 
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CzarTim

Member
Gorlak said:
So something about timxcrab felt off, while tim's later behaviour made you feel good about him so you won't vote him, crab's later behaviour also made you feel good about him, but you will still vote him.

basically tim's not a player of "that" caliber? gotcha
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lol
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
Gorlak said:
So something about timxcrab felt off, while tim's later behaviour made you feel good about him(tim) so you won't vote him, crab's later behaviour also made you feel good about him (crab), but you will still vote him.

basically tim's not a player of "that" caliber? gotcha
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Crabs half of the convo always felt weirder than tims. But tims did not feel good either. I mainly voted tim since he was around so that he would take me for realsies and discuss with me. Gun to my head I'd have voted crab over tim come end day even if I hadn't gotten the warm and fuzzies from our discussion.

And yea basically to the last statement. I've been personally fucking "got" by scum!crab. So I'm a probably a bit biased.
 
B

batsnacks

Member
Crab said:
wut

Gorlak's done a lot of work. He's pushed Kawl, relatively untouched by most other players, went after melon's vote on LP, which is like the only LP vote not discussed to death at this point, pushed batsnacks on squidy. He's not given many reads, I agree, and I'd like to see one before day end for obvious reasons, but in terms of getting other players to have to put forward commentary, he's done better than most other players. Genuinely not sure why you'd be looking at Gorlak as a priority.
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I didn't get any of that personally, all I see MO#1 vote me all day despite no one reacting to him vs me, then probably switching at the very end np. No one is pressured cause his vote and mindset haven't moved past hour 1.
 
G

Gorlak

Banned
Kawl_USC said:
And yea basically to the last statement. I've been personally fucking "got" by scum!crab. So I'm a probably a bit biased.
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Crab is eloquent for sure and knows how to sway people (his push for Ouro is noted), but I don't see what your problem was with the discussion with CzarTim.

Who would be your next to go candidate?
 
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CCS

Banned
If Crab is not scum, lynching ouro isn't terrible, even though I wouldn't do it.

If Crab is scum, obviously we should lynch him instead of ouro.

Decisions decisions...
 
K

Kawl_USC

Member
Gorlak said:
Crab is eloquent for sure and knows how to sway people (his push for Ouro is noted), but I don't see what your problem was with the discussion with CzarTim.

Who would be your next to go candidate?
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The back and forth just felt off to me. Hard to put my finger on why beyond the earlier post I quoted (or responded to tim quoting which I didn't feel was good from crab.

Right now my order of lychees is probably Crab>Time>LP>Ouro.

In fact,

Vote: Timeaisis

I do love a good horse race
 
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Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
CCS said:
If Crab is not scum, lynching ouro isn't terrible, even though I wouldn't do it.

If Crab is scum, obviously we should lynch him instead of ouro.

Decisions decisions...
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I don't really want to ask you questions because you have the glorious luxury of being able to have a genuinely untainted perspective, but in the event that there are better lynches than Ouro, you really need to be arguing for them. Being an Innocent Child and trying to go with a policy lynch is a godawful idea. If you go through a particular line of reasoning and come to a particular conclusion, we know it is genuine. If you just lynch on policy, one of the few opportunities we have for that genuine reasoning is just gone. Anyone can policy - that's why they call it policy. You don't have much time left and you really need to be making a positive case.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
Crab said:
I don't really want to ask you questions because you have the glorious luxury of being able to have a genuinely untainted perspective, but in the event that there are better lynches than Ouro, you really need to be arguing for them. Being an Innocent Child and trying to go with a policy lynch is a godawful idea. If you go through a particular line of reasoning and come to a particular conclusion, we know it is genuine. If you just lynch on policy, one of the few opportunities we have for that genuine reasoning is just gone. Anyone can policy - that's why they call it policy. You don't have much time left and you really need to be making a positive case.
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I already told him this, but maybe he'll listen to you.
 
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Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
Kawl_USC said:
I already told him this, but maybe he'll listen to you.
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Ever since Harry Potter, if I try leading people immediately want to lynch me. :'( I was leading in Danganronpa as badass town that nailed that bastard neutral who went on to win, but nobody remembers that.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
squidyj said:
Is it too late to start a Kawl bandwagon?
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Look if any one else will come around on crab, let's do it. But I'd rather put people feet to the fire and make this a race instead of letting the ouro lynch walk up unopposed, especially as I am not scum reading ouro. I can't take crab up from 2 to 3 so I can do the next best thing and move Time up.

And I'll insist on everyone taking a stand and making a case.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
Crab said:
Ever since Harry Potter, if I try leading people immediately want to lynch me. :'( I was leading in Danganronpa as badass town that nailed that bastard neutral who went on to win, but nobody remembers that.
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The worst part is you didn't even get a scum win from that masterpiece of fake town theater.

And you blew any trust any town will ever have in you.
 
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