molnizzle
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So wait.... they're making a Venom movie... without Spider-Man...?
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Venom, Black Cat & other highly anticipated Spidey spinoffs NOT set in MCU
- Thread starter George Oscar Bluth II
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So wait.... they're making a Venom movie... without Spider-Man...?
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
EdibleKnife
Member
Correct. Which is why I personally consider it inherently dumb.
MugiwaraCole
Member
Haha, yes sorry, Bob Odenkirk. I love how that didn't stop people from congratulating me for the suggestion anyway.
Bill Odenkirk: But I'm telling you...I'm not an actor!
Sony: Shut up and get out there, Bob!
Yes. It's dumb, but they insist they're going to do it because I guess Tom Rothman and Avi Arad need to look busy to keep their jobs.
Still a monumentally stupid idea, but whatevs.
Glass Rebel
Member
Officially, I don't think they have said whether Peter will make an appearance or not unless I missed it.
Realistically, movie is scheduled for October 2018 and they have announced the director and the lead so far.
I don't think they know what they're doing.
edit: correction, Tom Holland is officially not involved in this Sony shit
DoctorFling
Member
The Aunt May movie lives
Probably won't be Tomei though, Sony are far too incompetent for her
Probably won't be Tomei though, Sony are far too incompetent for her
Imperial Bishop
Banned
Feige had to go medieval when the cameras were off
Amy Pascal: Of course, naturally every single one of Sony's planned Venom, Black Cat, Silver Sable, Mysterio and Kraven spin-offs are going to be crammed into MCU continuity!
Kevin:
MugiwaraCole
Member
"So this is how the MCU dies. With thunderous applause." ~ Feige during that interview/when Tom Harry's casting got general audiences excited
EdibleKnife
Member
"Hmm he seemed much more intense in Better Call Saul"
MrMephistoX
Member
Cautiously optimistic most of the folks responsible for ASM2 are gone...I didn't even think it was that bad compared to Spider-Man 3. Honestly Spider-Man has the most fleshed out rogues gallery in the Marvel Universe on par with Batman. Homecoming is a Sony joint so I don't see why they can't include Holland and just not mention the avengers in Venom or the Black Cat films. Hell they could just keep him in high school like the first few years of the comic. He's basically a cameo in the MCU anyway so why can't he cameo in the Spider-Man spin offs?
Fox and Sony should talk about a FF cross over.
Fox and Sony should talk about a FF cross over.
My guess is they'll more-or-less be in their own self-contained universe, but they'll make references to Spider-Man. I'm not privy to the exact details of the Sony/Marvel Spider-Man contract, but I also get the feeling Sony may try to independently cast Tom Holland as Spider-Man to make appearances in their Venomverse. I worry about that because then you get general confusion and devaluation of the IP in the public's eyes if Sony's movies are shit. It could make Marvel shy away from having anything to do with Spider-Man after the initial contract runs out.
It's also frustrating because if Sony's movies suck, they are effectively removing villains and secondary characters from possible inclusion in the MCU Spider-Man movies. I would've loved to see if the MCU could create a really compelling Venom storyline, but alas, that seems like it will be off the table now.
Dom & Co have to stop a heist by super heroes? Hmm. Yeah maybe their cars could be literally "suped" up. So they can fly and teleport and shit.
MrMephistoX
Member
Lol FF as in Fantastic 4 but I like where you're going with this. Spider-Man has always had stronger FF connections in the comics.
MisterHero
Super Member
Kill all the spin-offs
Let Raimi make Spider-Man 4 & 5 the way he wants, alongside the Holland movies. Introduce Miles Morales. Also, build up for Spider-Men.
Have a nice day
Let Raimi make Spider-Man 4 & 5 the way he wants, alongside the Holland movies. Introduce Miles Morales. Also, build up for Spider-Men.
Have a nice day
I'll see myself out.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Well, you can sell any movie if the approach is done well. People line up for a Guardians of the Galaxy ride, shit is weird.
What will probably go wrong is that Sony was having an issue getting the centerpiece of the Spider-Man Universe correct. The odds that they'll be able to magically do something special with these side characters is slim to none. If their approach is boilerplate superhero movie, these are dead on the vine. Nobody really cares to begin with if there isn't a Spider-Man in it, so the approach has to be fresh.
What will probably go wrong is that Sony was having an issue getting the centerpiece of the Spider-Man Universe correct. The odds that they'll be able to magically do something special with these side characters is slim to none. If their approach is boilerplate superhero movie, these are dead on the vine. Nobody really cares to begin with if there isn't a Spider-Man in it, so the approach has to be fresh.
Without even establishing the characters in the film universe first. I'm struggling even with calling them spin-offs when they have very little connective tissue to begin with.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Feige to introduce every character getting a spinoff into the MCU and immediately kill them off.
MugiwaraCole
Member
How is Spidey just a cameo in the MCU? Iron Man 4 jokes being bullshit aside, he's integral to this iteration of the character.
And please never utter that last sentence ever again. Jesus Christ.
I throwed up a little.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
What about my highly anticipated Trouble movie? In what universe will it take place? Even if it's Universal's Dark Universe, it needs to happen Sony. Audiences worldwide are clamoring for it.
Flow-Walker
Banned
They already announced Tom Hardy is Venom and Ruben Fleischer is directing.
Glass Rebel
Member
Yes, I said that.
Very relieved to hear this and hope it stays that way. At any rate, Tom Holland staying far away from the Sony spin-offs would please me, even if that might be likely to change.
darkhunger
Member
He's not officially involved yet but Sony has said they are looking to bring him in on the spinoffs.
EchoChamber
Member
Why Sony pictures isn't dead yet?
Flow-Walker
Banned
SONY never said that, an anonymous source to THR said that.
MrMephistoX
Member
Not Homecoming obviously but he's only got a bit of screen time in Civil War so I'm just wondering what prevents Sony from including Tom Holland in Venom and the other spin offs? They agreed to share Spider-Man not sell him to Disney. Obviously a FF is never going to happen but canon wise it would be awesome.
As someone who really like the ASM films and Garfield especially I'll be hyped as fuck to see Venom duelling it out with Carnage onscreen.
darkhunger
Member
Amy Pascal said that in the Feige confused look interview.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Gambit was kind of great in the 90s cartoon.
Did they confirm if this was Eddie Brock Venom or not? The only way I see this movie having even a remote chance of working is if they go with Flash Thompson one man army Venom. I feel like that's the only version that could work as a solo story, especially with needing to go into an origin without freaking Spider-Man.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
That Venom movie man. Out of all the superhero movies that one is gonna be a wildcard. Idk what to think. It's all too crazy right now.
Fallout-with-swords
Banned
Have we still not gotten confirmation if Tom Holland's Spider-Man can appear in both of these universes? Venom, Black Cat, etc. not showing up in the MCU was assumed, the big debate was whether Spider-Man could be in both universes.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
It's sounding like Sony's movies can reference the MCU but Spider-Man and the rest of the MCU won't acknowledge them.
Glass Rebel
Member
Marvel "Notice Me Senpai" Universe
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
AKA, the TV and Netflix universe.