darkhunger
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They lost the rights as of the last movie.
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Venom, Black Cat & other highly anticipated Spidey spinoffs NOT set in MCU
- Thread starter George Oscar Bluth II
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clay_ghost
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Wow, good job. Will whoever who buy Sony get Spider-Man as part of the deal?
darkhunger
Member
Basically. Sony Pictures IS the Spider-Man franchise right now.
clay_ghost
Member
Disney better watch Sony pictures like a hawk then.
Imagine if WB buys Sony Pictures lol...
darkhunger
Member
Or Fox... They would have the X-Men, Spider-Man and F4 all under one umbrella. The MCU would be a third rate universe compared to whatever comes out of that.
They lost the rights but they are bidding to get them back:
http://screenrant.com/james-bond-25-film-rights-bidding-war/
But whoever gets it will always be at risk to their contract expiring and MGM/EON choosing another studio. Its just not a good license to count on unless you buy MGM/EON.
MrMephistoX
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I had actually thought Sony bought MGM/EON until recently but then researched and realized...yep that was a dumb move not to buy it when they had the chance. The next license is only for one film too so it's kind of a shitty unreliable horse to hitch oneself to...that said there's an article circulating that fucking Kaz Hirai bid for it on a reconstructed Doctor No set on the Sony lot so good on him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/20/business/media/james-bond-sony-mgm-eon-productions.html
darkhunger
Member
So it looks like Amy Pascal keeps on talking and now the Sonyverse is in the "same reality" as the MCU:
http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/ex...-movies-happen-in-the-same-reality-as-the-mcu
...and Feige agrees.
http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/ex...-movies-happen-in-the-same-reality-as-the-mcu
...and Feige agrees.
EchoChamber
Member
So yes but not yes?
So this is basically a Marvel Netflix/ABC situation? Like "Yeah technically, doesn't mean you'll see them with anyone else"?
Patrick Klepek
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Seems like Feige is walking a fine, fuzzy line because he wants Sony to be happy and knows hardcore fans understand the difference.
George Oscar Bluth II
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They're set in the same reality until Feige says no. If there's no crossover, then those spinoffs don't really matter in the MCU.
Here's a quote from Amy Pascal when asked about Venom and Spider-Man appearing together on screen at some point.
http://heroichollywood.com/amy-pascal-venom-ruben-fleischer/
I'm telling you now, once Spider-Man's deal with Marvel Studios is done (after Homecoming 2) he's moving straight into Silver Sable country, they aren't even trying to hide the fact at this point.
Make your peace with it now.
http://heroichollywood.com/amy-pascal-venom-ruben-fleischer/
I'm telling you now, once Spider-Man's deal with Marvel Studios is done (after Homecoming 2) he's moving straight into Silver Sable country, they aren't even trying to hide the fact at this point.
Make your peace with it now.
This is such a mistake. Like... Wait. Just 3-5 years and let this shit get set up properly.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
They're certainly trying!
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Feige already said yesterday, no Spider-Man in Venom. It's a pipe dream for Sony that won't happen.
Pretty much.
oh yeah, peace made
it makes no difference - 2 solo movies & 3 team ups in the MCU is a gift
Here's how it'll probably be...
There's two universes, right?
MCU Universe: Tom Holland Spidey Prime is swinging around, trying to join the Avengers, hanging around with Tony Stark, etc etc. In this universe, all the MCU characters exist.
Sony Universe: Tom Holland Spidey Beta is swinging around (a Spider-Man who happens to look like Spidey Prime), Venom is eating people, Black Cat and Silver Sable are also doing things of cinematic interest. In this universe, no MCU characters exist.
So two different worlds who each have a seperate Spider-Man, albiet ones that look identical.
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Wait... now Spider Man can't appear in Sony's Spider-Man universe?
But how does this work if Feige is sayin Spidey won't be in Sony's movies?
I don't think there is a clearer answer to it than Pascal/Sony wanting to let their spin offs ride off of the MCU, Feige not wanting anything he's not involved in to be a part of the MCU, and fumbling for a diplomatic way to hold both of those conflicting views in public.
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Yeah I think we know this is the base problem, but Sony has the upper hand on the rights here, so I'm trying to understand if Sony gets to have Spider Man Tom Holland in their universe or not.
My logical guess is yes, but it will be stories that never bring up the MCU characters and solely are about Spidey vs Villains...
But some here are saying that Feige says Sony ain't getting Spidey?
Pai Pai Master
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Because Tom Holland is not a robot and can't appear in every single thing Sony wants to do with this property. They want to build an entire cinematic universe around a single character and they can't have him in this movies if they're still working with Marvel Studios for the MCU movies.
He's signed for set number of films which will be his MCU appearances. If they decide to keep him on and sign him up for more films, you bet your ass they will be more MCU movies and not these half-assed uninspired spinoffs, because the MCU movies will be the ones making serious bank. at that point there's little Sony can do other than recognize they CAN'T do a Spider-Man universe on their own and that they need Marvel to keep Spider-Man profitable for them.
I'm not saying it's Feige's call, but they have to make the smart business decision when it comes to signing Holland for more movies. We already know what that will be.
Jest Chillin
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I find it kind of funny that so many people are acting obtuse to what the obvious move here is. Pull Tom Holland's Peter-Spidey into Sony's Spiderverse while having his original existence in the MCU inspire someone else to take up the mantle after he's gone. Enter Miles-Spidey into the MCU.
It's a win/win for everyone except the people who blindly demand that movie Spiderman always be Peter.
Sony gets a running start on their universe and they get an established Peter-Spidey. Marvel Studios gets Peter to start with before moving to Miles with a natural inspirational origin. You get the benefit of choosing to pull from the Miles-stepping-into-big-shoes stories from the books or not and without being constricted to the same old same old relationship dynamics (romantic, friendship, rivals, whatever).
It's a win/win for everyone except the people who blindly demand that movie Spiderman always be Peter.
Sony gets a running start on their universe and they get an established Peter-Spidey. Marvel Studios gets Peter to start with before moving to Miles with a natural inspirational origin. You get the benefit of choosing to pull from the Miles-stepping-into-big-shoes stories from the books or not and without being constricted to the same old same old relationship dynamics (romantic, friendship, rivals, whatever).
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Eh, this is a bit illogical. Spider Man wasn't bombing in Sony's hands in the first place, but it just wasn't taking off like MCU
But I gotta imagine you're wrong that Sony can't negotiate films without Holland in his schedule... if Sony wants to, they can make these standalone universe films starring Tom Holland. That's what seems to be the truth.
And do remember that the Stars of the MCU have made many non-MCU films during the course of the MCU rev up post-Avengers.
So scheduling isn't a good answer for Sony as to why they shouldn't bother. At worst, Sony decides they will pursue Holland only after he completes his MCU arcs. But it seems likely they will sign him on to pull into their Spidey only movies soon.
Amy Pascal's most recent quote (featured on this page) implies he could appear. And even if Spider-Man doesn't make a physical appearence, his existence could well be hinted at.
I don't know, man. It's a logistical nightmare.
Sony's rights include Miles, unfortunately.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Now, let's change this quote a little bit:
Yeah, this is just absurd.
Which is not to say that they can't make a good Venom stand-alone movie, but this whole thing is going to be such a mess.
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I don't think Sony has any intention of making a Spider Man universe where MCU Spider-Man doesn't appear. I think the entire point of Sony's move is to ride the success of the MCU.
Sony's goal is likely: Book Tom Holland to appear as Spider-Man in between his MCU shoots, creating a series of films akin to Sony's previous Spider Man films where only Spidey and his typical villains are the focus. No need to mention the MCU, despite making sure it is the same actor/Spidey by association.
wait oh my god
Glass Rebel
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I'll start getting worried about Venom when I hear that it's gone into production. Right now I'm treating it the same as that Sinister Six movie.
Mix Master
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SpideySenses
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Sony/Pascal need to be going to Jeph Loeb if they want to be in the "MCU", Feige obviously doesn't want the movie MCU connected but I'm sure they could come to a mutually beneficial partnership with the TV division.
Jest Chillin
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I don't see how that conflicts with what I'm saying. Both Marvel Studios and Sony would have had to make concessions with each other for this to work. There's no way Sony's giving up Peter Parker. So having Marvel Studios help start their Peter in exchange for Marvel Studios getting to use Miles in their MCU seems like the obvious play here.
Sony gets Peter and a jumpstart to their universe. They still get production credits on any Miles stuff in the MCU. Marvel Studios get a Spiderman and they have zero problems so far introducing lesser known characters, so making Miles good shouldn't be a problem for them.
It's seriously a situation where all entities win.
Tom Holland is signed for six movies, with five of those six already spoken for (Civil War, Homecoming, Infinity War, Avengers 4, Homecoming 2). Assuming that contract doesn't stipulate that Marvel needs to also give permission on any movie Holland appears in, Sony certainly could put him in a Venom movie if that's their right...but why would they burn an appearance on a spinoff? And then be forced into expensive renegotiations just to get him on board for a third solo movie that they would otherwise already have him committed to?
All Feige said was that Spider-Man won't be in the Venom movie, not that Sony can never use him in one of their movies. That might be the case -- I don't think any of us knows what that part of the deal is -- but even if it were, I can't see it as anything but a waste on Sony's part. Especially when the whole point of a spinoff is to build up peripheral characters that can exist independently of the main franchise.
Sony is already getting a jump on Miles with the animated movie.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Actually, according to my sources, the Inhumans show is secretly part of the Mutant X Cinematic Universe.
Makes so much more sense.
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Sony using Holland for a movie doesn't burn one of the six he's signed for at Marvel Studios. Sony would need a new contract for him on their own and Holland will have 6 MCU appearances no matter what.
Jest Chillin
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That doesn't conflict with what I'm saying either. Animated is always completely separate.
Marvel Studios doesn't need complete and total ownership of every iteration of the character in order to benefit from the character appearing. Spiderman is the one character that isn't in the MCU already that can effectively be brought in without a ton of baggage. If that means Miles, it's still worth it.
Or each other frankly. How has Luke not been approached by someone from SHIELD yet?
Megawarrior
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a Black Cat movie!? Make that one next instead of Venom!
shhh! no, let sony make and fail Venom so they let Marvel handle everything - including Black Cat
and the suspension of disbelief gets even worse considering how 99% of all MCU activity happens in New York but they just so happen to miss each other every time