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InFAMOUS [Mafia] [OT] No Good Karma...

cabot
Waffle and Zeus(unfortunately)
batsnacks(deceased and town)

Someone most people scum read, the two people in the "gossip" (reasonable) AND a confirmed townie?!?!?

And me, but l discount that for this argument.

How do you rationalize scum reading a confirmed town person?

vote: isaacnukem
 
Blarg, to answer your question. when I posted I didn't have a target for the day. Now that I read isaacnukem's I do have a big fat scum read on Isaacnukem.
 

Kyanrute

Member
equally worried as us about what CCS would do, especially in the early game when it behooves a Neutral Survivor to help the as-yet strongest Town.

Neutral CCS balked and lied that he redirected to cabot, to save face

Cohesion Blarg, cohesion. What if town had an investigative role who saw what CCS did? The lie would kill him. Why take THIS risk if he already risked a neutral claim? If he risks one thing, surely he'd risk another too.
 

Zeusy

Member
Zeusy, your case against Blarg makes sense and the only reason I don't suspect him for it is because it's Blarg, he does this shit every game unfortunately.

Who else do you think is scum?

Issac is leaning on scum, but I'm not certain yet. I can smell a lingering scene though...
 

*Splinter

Member
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If CCS Possessed Kyanrute N1, and we got 2 dead N1

I think CCS lied about redirecting Kyan to cabot

I think CCS sent Kyan to Absbro N1; CCS thinking he was helping Town by moving against D1's 2nd-most scum-read, Absbro... but when Absbro died and turned out to be our Doctor, Neutral CCS balked and lied that he redirected to cabot, to save face

Kyan must have been scum to have been Possessed to kill Absbro

That's why Kyan wouldn't vote against cabot Yesterday, because they're scum-mates

CCS just happened to lie in a way that pinned 2 scum to the pressure; straight-up revealed Kyan to be scum, and got cabot to Role-claim as (Odd-Night) Commuter defensively!

shit

VOTE: Kyanrute
I see how it's a thing that's possible to happen, but how likely do you think it is? And why?

I also don't see how cabot's claim helps their situation.

So far, Splinter is giving me town vibes, and I think I'm fairly good at reading him.
*pouts*

Someone most people scum read, the two people in the "gossip" (reasonable) AND a confirmed townie?!?!?

And me, but l discount that for this argument.

How do you rationalize scum reading a confirmed town person?

vote: isaacnukem
I don't know what Isaac is doing, but I'm guessing it isn't "scumread dead townies".

Regardless, why do you think scum would scumread a dead townie?
 
I don't know what Isaac is doing, but I'm guessing it isn't "scumread dead townies".

Regardless, why do you think scum would scumread a dead townie?

The assumption is that his scum read of the confirmed townie was still present while said dead townie was alive. Scum rely on misdirection and trying to remove facts from what we know. So if they try to misdirect us by saying "oh look kawl has to be a godfather" or "oh batsnacks is scum, never mind his role PM in the game opening" that directly hurts us.

I'm merely calling it out as ridiculous and that's it's latent misdirection. Which leads me to scum reading him.
 

Ri'Orius

Member
If CCS Possessed Kyanrute N1, and we got 2 dead N1

I think CCS lied about redirecting Kyan to cabot

I think CCS sent Kyan to Absbro N1; CCS thinking he was helping Town by moving against D1's 2nd-most scum-read, Absbro... but when Absbro died and turned out to be our Doctor, Neutral CCS balked and lied that he redirected to cabot, to save face

Kyan must have been scum to have been Possessed to kill Absbro

That's why Kyan wouldn't vote against cabot Yesterday, because they're scum-mates

CCS just happened to lie in a way that pinned 2 scum to the pressure; straight-up revealed Kyan to be scum, and got cabot to Role-claim as (Odd-Night) Commuter defensively!

I thought about that, but initially discarded it for two reasons. First, I don't expect scum!Kyan would've been so open about being targeted by an unknown ability. Second, if CCS had successfully found scum with his ability, and was hoping to pull a "I'll scumhunt for Town if y'all let me live" strategy, he'd've told us about him.

Nobody would've held "you killed the Doctor!" against him. Half of Town was ready to lynch AB, he was the right choice for a Town-aligned killer (in fact that's a lot of our reaction to his death: someone who wants to be on Town's good side got a shot off last night).

But now that I think about it some more (and probably overthink it, I'll admit), if CCS had found scum, perhaps his whole ploy was based on the idea that he'd tell Town he'd work for us while clearly demonstrating to scum that he wasn't. Because yeah, if CCS had immediately pointed us at scum, he'd've been dead that night, 100%. He ended up dying during the day, but if he'd convinced us to put up with him he'd've been reasonably safe from both scum and town.
 

Flame_AC

Member
I feel like the problem with Blarg's theory in Kyanrute/CCS possession is that, why wouldn't CCS have saved himself from being lynched with this spectacular, likely incriminating evidence? If CCS had brought something similar to Blarg's theory up to try and explain our N1, I'm 99% positive they would have lived, at least during the days, for a while. (Scum might have decided to kill the witch to stop a weak-cop from running around.) So, the fact that CCS didn't do this makes me feel like they were telling the truth, or at the very least weren't lying about / possibly protecting scum Kyan.
 

cabot

Member
Greetings, here we go.


Cabot's first point is really stretching it. Trying to create artificial dirt on AB? Well, we now know that AB was town.

Can we not get a running commentary of events and instead get a nice up to date summary of your thoughts and feelings?

I scumread TheG pretty hard from the few posts he made, and I instantly don't like this shade thrown at me for the most pointless of things. I won't deny that there are valid reasons to chase me as scum right now after whats happened, but highlighting this particular post seems bizarre, and the beginning of forming a narrative against me.

Someone most people scum read, the two people in the "gossip" (reasonable) AND a confirmed townie?!?!?

And me, but l discount that for this argument.

How do you rationalize scum reading a confirmed town person?

vote: isaacnukem

This is far too easy. Tell me why scum isaac would be this transparent. I naturally scumread your playstyle, Zipped, that's why I consider you a scumread. But trying to be as objective as possible, I can't ignore the signs. I mean, look at this:

You agree with me and I know I'm town. That's enough for right now. It's still day 2, lots of time to swap votes and get better reads.

vote: CCS

Sorry CCS but after getting burned in DGRonpa1 I just can't trust neutrals anymore. You are still a threat to town in my book.

I am leaning against a Cabot vote, mostly because we both disagree with batsnacks original assessment of Time's reads from yesterday.


Like this is such a bizarre reason to town read someone. He agrees with me, I am town, therefore he is town?

Bullshit.

I don't read the constant 'I know I'm town' comments as anything but pandering, I hate it. I hate this.

I really scumread you Zipped, but I always scumread you, so I don't see myself as objective. I'll leave it up to others if this looks scummy, but to me it does.

Basically TLDR: You're vote on isaac seems to easy, and I'd like you to explain to me why scum isaac would act like he would.

Cohesion Blarg, cohesion. What if town had an investigative role who saw what CCS did? The lie would kill him. Why take THIS risk if he already risked a neutral claim? If he risks one thing, surely he'd risk another too.

Ri kind of covers this, but my entire point on CCS was he would lie to suit himself and nothing else, why wouldn't he lie to cover him killing AB?

Sure, killing me makes sense from his perspective, I brought him into the limelight (in fairness, Splinter was the first person to react to his reaction back in D1), but because of his alignment and role, and the fact we don't have 2 NKs this night, we can't discount the theory that CCS lied about targeting me. I've been scumreading you because you took so long to decide on CCS, which was weird. It's a pretty clear cut case, I don't know why that decision required such a long delay. Your questioning of my claim today is also suspect.

I was pretty clear. I got overexcited and claimed far too early, then the rest of it happened. I feel you keep bringing up this claim to justify your mislynch when I flip town so you don't look suspicious. That's my current theory.

The assumption is that his scum read of the confirmed townie was still present while said dead townie was alive. Scum rely on misdirection and trying to remove facts from what we know. So if they try to misdirect us by saying "oh look kawl has to be a godfather" or "oh batsnacks is scum, never mind his role PM in the game opening" that directly hurts us.

I'm merely calling it out as ridiculous and that's it's latent misdirection. Which leads me to scum reading him.

Again: give me the thinking of scum isaac doing this play. Right now.

I thought about that, but initially discarded it for two reasons. First, I don't expect scum!Kyan would've been so open about being targeted by an unknown ability. Second, if CCS had successfully found scum with his ability, and was hoping to pull a "I'll scumhunt for Town if y'all let me live" strategy, he'd've told us about him.

Nobody would've held "you killed the Doctor!" against him. Half of Town was ready to lynch AB, he was the right choice for a Town-aligned killer (in fact that's a lot of our reaction to his death: someone who wants to be on Town's good side got a shot off last night).

But now that I think about it some more (and probably overthink it, I'll admit), if CCS had found scum, perhaps his whole ploy was based on the idea that he'd tell Town he'd work for us while clearly demonstrating to scum that he wasn't. Because yeah, if CCS had immediately pointed us at scum, he'd've been dead that night, 100%. He ended up dying during the day, but if he'd convinced us to put up with him he'd've been reasonably safe from both scum and town.

I like this post cause it mainly thought of something that didn't even occur to me. It's most likely too much thinking, but yeah its a new line of thinking that I've not seen yet, and I can credibly accept it from a town perspective.


I scumread zipped more from today's posts, was considering switching votes but Bronx hasn't done anything to change my mind, so that's that.
 

cabot

Member
like batsnacks was confirmed town and he fuckin' sprouted so many stupid, crazy theories I disagreed with.


People have different opinions, cam an.
 

cabot

Member
I feel like the problem with Blarg's theory in Kyanrute/CCS possession is that, why wouldn't CCS have saved himself from being lynched with this spectacular, likely incriminating evidence? If CCS had brought something similar to Blarg's theory up to try and explain our N1, I'm 99% positive they would have lived, at least during the days, for a while. (Scum might have decided to kill the witch to stop a weak-cop from running around.) So, the fact that CCS didn't do this makes me feel like they were telling the truth, or at the very least weren't lying about / possibly protecting scum Kyan.

who are your top scum?
 

Ri'Orius

Member
I feel like the problem with Blarg's theory in Kyanrute/CCS possession is that, why wouldn't CCS have saved himself from being lynched with this spectacular, likely incriminating evidence? If CCS had brought something similar to Blarg's theory up to try and explain our N1, I'm 99% positive they would have lived, at least during the days, for a while. (Scum might have decided to kill the witch to stop a weak-cop from running around.) So, the fact that CCS didn't do this makes me feel like they were telling the truth, or at the very least weren't lying about / possibly protecting scum Kyan.

No "might" about it. Our doctor is dead. If CCS had outed a scum he'd've been NKed for sure. Ergo CCS wouldn't have told us if he'd sent Kyan to AB.

Really my question now is: would scum!Kyan have been forthcoming about having been possessed without knowing what it means? And I really don't know. I think if I were scum I'd've been super cautious about drawing attention to myself like that (heck, I doubt I'd do it as town), but I'm kind of a coward like that.

More experienced players: how do people tend to react to receiving mysterious messages in the night? Is it considered scummy to hide that sort of information?
 
I feel like the problem with Blarg's theory in Kyanrute/CCS possession is that, why wouldn't CCS have saved himself from being lynched with this spectacular, likely incriminating evidence? If CCS had brought something similar to Blarg's theory up to try and explain our N1, I'm 99% positive they would have lived, at least during the days, for a while. (Scum might have decided to kill the witch to stop a weak-cop from running around.) So, the fact that CCS didn't do this makes me feel like they were telling the truth, or at the very least weren't lying about / possibly protecting scum Kyan.

Did you see the way the majority treated him? No one would've believed him and he knew it

He hinted as much to the Kyan-truth with his explanation of his Power with respects to forcing scum's factional kill, YET THE TELLING OF WHICH ONLY GOT HIM MORE SCUM-READ :/ He was unappreciated and Neutral and felt no obligation to us after that treatment

10 players threw their votes and sense in the trash Yesterday, just admit it you ten
 
No "might" about it. Our doctor is dead. If CCS had outed a scum he'd've been NKed for sure. Ergo CCS wouldn't have told us if he'd sent Kyan to AB.

Really my question now is: would scum!Kyan have been forthcoming about having been possessed without knowing what it means? And I really don't know. I think if I were scum I'd've been super cautious about drawing attention to myself like that (heck, I doubt I'd do it as town), but I'm kind of a coward like that.

More experienced players: how do people tend to react to receiving mysterious messages in the night? Is it considered scummy to hide that sort of information?

They react with the utmost haste towards publicly announcing that message and its contents

Yes it is

And you should be ashamed of yourself for not telling us
 

Kyanrute

Member
Did you see the way the majority treated him? No one would've believed him and he knew it

He hinted as much to the Kyan-truth with his explanation of his Power with respects to forcing scum's factional kill, YET THE TELLING OF WHICH ONLY GOT HIM MORE SCUM-READ :/ He was unappreciated and Neutral and felt no obligation to us after that treatment

10 players threw their votes and sense in the trash Yesterday, just admit it you ten

i admit my vote was full of awesome
 
Your avatar is petty much how I feel after reading that lol. Like you make this case, and at the last second you mention how Splinter could be scum.

It's clear to me after Yesterday, that *Splinter & cabot were theatrically tag-team engaging CCS via "GOOD COP, BAD COP" respectively; *Splint offering pro-CCS survival plans, while cabot tunnelled against CCS
 

Ri'Orius

Member
Did you see the way the majority treated him? No one would've believed him and he knew it

He hinted as much to the Kyan-truth with his explanation of his Power with respects to forcing scum's factional kill, YET THE TELLING OF WHICH ONLY GOT HIM MORE SCUM-READ :/ He was unappreciated and Neutral and felt no obligation to us after that treatment

10 players threw their votes and sense in the trash Yesterday, just admit it you ten

We would've believed him enough to lynch Kyan. And if Kyan had flipped scum I think we'd've been more inclined to believe his "let me scumhunt for you!" claim.

As is you're suggesting that CCS knew of a mafia member, and chose not to tell us about him while claiming that he'd be an asset to town. And that we're all bad people for thinking that maybe he'd lie to us.

If Kyan is scum and CCS knew and didn't tell us, that only makes the ten of us who lynched him righter.
 

Ri'Orius

Member
Assuming you received a message, what happened night one?

*sigh* I did not receive a message. I was only asking because my general inclination would be to hide information, and so I was taking Kyan's choice to reveal as being evidence in his favor.

But if such information is to be revealed on penalty of being massively scumread, then clearly Kyan didn't actually choose to reveal, he just recognized the folly of not doing so. Making it not evidence one way or the other.
 

Ri'Orius

Member
(to be clear: by "general inclination" I mean "whether scum or town". Don't be too open with hidden information. Hide yo name, hide yo role, etc.)
 
cabot, on mobile so quoteing down to your one line is difficult but I'll answer you "right now" (since I just read it).

Scum Isaac is trying to spread misinformation, that's the whole point. What other reason does he have to say that he scum read batsnacks (the one person literally EVERY single one of us should have on our town list)?

Now I can't think of any reason why spreading misinformation and scumreading batsnacks would make sense if he is town. Since, in my thinking, he can not be town that leaves he must be scum. Looking at the action down that thinking strengthens the misinformation idea. So I voted for him.

Honestly with you coming to his defense, it is changing my opinion on you. I'm starting to see why others are scum reading you. It's things that don't make sense for someone from town to do, and then you doing them. That's what's changing my opinion.
 
We would've believed him enough to lynch Kyan. And if Kyan had flipped scum I think we'd've been more inclined to believe his "let me scumhunt for you!" claim.

As is you're suggesting that CCS knew of a mafia member, and chose not to tell us about him while claiming that he'd be an asset to town. And that we're all bad people for thinking that maybe he'd lie to us.

If Kyan is scum and CCS knew and didn't tell us, that only makes the ten of us who lynched him righter.

I don't believe you

If you were truly willing to put yourself in the right, you'd be voting against Kyan Today after the CCS fact

but you aren't
 

cabot

Member
cabot, on mobile so quoteing down to your one line is difficult but I'll answer you "right now" (since I just read it).

Scum Isaac is trying to spread misinformation, that's the whole point. What other reason does he have to say that he scum read batsnacks (the one person literally EVERY single one of us should have on our town list)?

Now I can't think of any reason why spreading misinformation and scumreading batsnacks would make sense if he is town. Since, in my thinking, he can not be town that leaves he must be scum. Looking at the action down that thinking strengthens the misinformation idea. So I voted for him.

Honestly with you coming to his defense, it is changing my opinion on you. I'm starting to see why others are scum reading you. It's things that don't make sense for someone from town to do, and then you doing them. That's what's changing my opinion.

oh wow, you scumread me? its only you and the rest of the world, buddy.



spreading misinformation is a bad thing, but it doesn't always mean scum, it could be neutral. It could be Town pulling a weird gambit. Why are you so eager to rule out neutral?


If you're scum, why would you put the confirmed town as a suspicious target?
 

Ri'Orius

Member
I don't believe you

If you were truly willing to put yourself in the right, you'd be voting against Kyan Today after the CCS fact

but you aren't

I'm strongly considering voting for Kyan, but I'm worried about falling for a theory because it's clever rather than because it's likely.

But you tell me, Blarg: suppose Kyan is scum. Suppose CCS knew that. Why do you still think we should've kept him around? If we can't trust him to help us hunt scum, and if he was in fact actively hiding scum from us, why should we have let him sick around?
 
spreading misinformation is a bad thing, but it doesn't always mean scum, it could be neutral. It could be Town pulling a weird gambit. Why are you so eager to rule out neutral?

If you're scum, why would you put the confirmed town as a suspicious target?

Why would you do it as a neutral or as town? It doesn't make sense at all, it makes the least sense as town. Now isaacnukem could be neutral, you do have a point there. But I'm sticking to my guns, I think isaacnukem is scum.
 

cabot

Member
Why would you do it as a neutral or as town? It doesn't make sense at all, it makes the least sense as town. Now isaacnukem could be neutral, you do have a point there. But I'm sticking to my guns, I think isaacnukem is scum.

i dont spend my time trying to think of reasons why someone did things as a particular alignment. I just expect it to happen.


Please tell me why scum isaac would give the read list he gave.
 
I'm strongly considering voting for Kyan, but I'm worried about falling for a theory because it's clever rather than because it's likely.

But you tell me, Blarg: suppose Kyan is scum. Suppose CCS knew that. Why do you still think we should've kept him around? If we can't trust him to help us hunt scum, and if he was in fact actively hiding scum from us, why should we have let him sick around?

Sacrifical leverage, my friend

And CCS could've been gaming for another Night just to turn Kyan unto himself, and by himself I mean Kyan

CCS could've been openly supporting Kyan but in reality was planning on mirror-backstabbing him, because early-game Neutrals love Town

You gotta think like a Neutral, Ri'

wildcard it
 
I see how it's a thing that's possible to happen, but how likely do you think it is? And why?

I also don't see how cabot's claim helps their situation.

*pouts*

Highly likely, given N1

cabot's claim wasn't to help, it was to harm

It was anti-CCS fire, an offensive strike, the coffin nailer
 
i dont spend my time trying to think of reasons why someone did things as a particular alignment. I just expect it to happen.


Please tell me why scum isaac would give the read list he gave.

No answer I give you will ever be enough. Done playing this game with you. This is my final response to this as I feel we are running circles. I've explained that, in my mind, his actions make no sense. It makes the least amount of sense as town, because it's blatantly being mistrustful, spreading misinformation and not being pro town. Out of the two remaining alignments, I think spreading misinformation is more scum aligned , so he is scum.

Scum Isaac gives that list because he wants to cause trouble, which he is succeeding at based on our rambling on about it.
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
Apologies for not posting so much today, been busy moving into a new apartment. Apparently some shenanigans involving kyan, blarg, and isaac is going on; I'll respond to that in a bit.
 
No answer I give you will ever be enough. Done playing this game with you. This is my final response to this as I feel we are running circles. I've explained that, in my mind, his actions make no sense. It makes the least amount of sense as town, because it's blatantly being mistrustful, spreading misinformation and not being pro town. Out of the two remaining alignments, I think spreading misinformation is more scum aligned , so he is scum.

Scum Isaac gives that list because he wants to cause trouble, which he is succeeding at based on our rambling on about it.
You're the only one troubled by that list. I put him there as a lark. He was confirmed town but if he wasn't town I would've voted for him as scum and yet I didn't. You're the one making out too much something out of nothing. Also, you seem to have been more active now that the spotlight's trained on you.
 

Zeusy

Member
Quick question the day doesn't end on Saturday right? It goes until Sunday? Because it's my birthday tomorrow and I highly doubt I will be active at all tomorrow...
 

Kawl_USC

Member
Birthday yesterday, traveling all night and now spending time with my nephew for the first time. So I'll probably be a bit sparse this day phase. Weekend phase suuuuuck.

There's literally no way scum Cabot doesn't just stick to his fuck neutrals stance. His flip flopping makes me town read him pretty strong.

Sky still seems scummy, but I'll admit I've only had time for a cursory read of the new day phase.

Blarg is going in hard. His revisionism of last day phase is getting pretty old. Trusting ccs especially when he only introduces additional deaths was never smart given the clarifications. Could see him doing this song and dance as the sacrificial scum that he always plays as.
 

Flame_AC

Member
Despite cabot's being weird, I am still in the cabot town club (population 2?).

If I had to give you who my top scum were, I'd say one of Bronx-Man and issacnukem, potentially both, but at the very least one of them. I continue to feel uneasy about Blarg, but what can you do about that. I like the theory of Kyanrute/CCS thing put forward by Blarg, even if it doesn't make 100% sense, I like it for its creativity.
 
Birthday yesterday, traveling all night and now spending time with my nephew for the first time. So I'll probably be a bit sparse this day phase. Weekend phase suuuuuck.

There's literally no way scum Cabot doesn't just stick to his fuck neutrals stance. His flip flopping makes me town read him pretty strong.

Sky still seems scummy, but I'll admit I've only had time for a cursory read of the new day phase.

Blarg is going in hard. His revisionism of last day phase is getting pretty old. Trusting ccs especially when he only introduces additional deaths was never smart given the clarifications. Could see him doing this song and dance as the sacrificial scum that he always plays as.

Revisionism? Keep on ignoring CCS' merits, they only benefited you and bets lol

You got yourself good and you still don't see it

Tell me something I don't know
 
I got hard circumstantials here and none of you are willing to act on them

My scum reads make the most sense out of anyone's here

Go ahead then, listen to cabot again, go for Bronx
 

Kawl_USC

Member
Revisionism? Keep on ignoring CCS' merits, they only benefited you and bets lol

You got yourself good and you still don't see it

Tell me something I don't know
Yes his potential meat shield in a situation where he doesn't purposefully screw us over benefited me and bats, and yet every other part of every other situation damaged town. Shockingly not everyone plays mafia selfishly.

I know that is a completely foreign idea to you though.
 
Yes his potential meat shield in a situation where he doesn't purposefully screw us over benefited me and bats, and yet every other part of every other situation damaged town. Shockingly not everyone plays mafia selfishly.

I know that is a completely foreign idea to you though.

How is saving you not pro-Town?
 
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