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NHL '12 Playoffs |OT| "The Cup is our destiny this year."
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Cherry's been giving speech lessons.
I still would've preferred if he didn't bring up someone with Bertuzzi's history in a discussion about "how to properly and cleanly stand up for each other".
Who cares.
fuck me thats hilariousI'm sure this will come handy for people here:
I can only laugh about it because he returned 5 min later.
Maximus.
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not be annoying so all is gravy.
I agree with you 100%, and in my opinion Bertuzzi shouldn't be playing hockey if Steve Moore isn't playing. It's a bad example, but just wanted to clarify that's not exactly what PJ was talking about.
I keep bringing up the NFL and how they've handled discipline. Look at the explosion of controversy of Bounty-gate and the New Orleans Saints. How different is that from a team sending a goon out to send a message/get payback/hurt someone???? I'm not a big football guy, but it's certainly clear they're putting in the right measures to defend quarterbacks, ie their star players, and the NHL just seems completely lost and stuck in the past of what's a hockey play and what's dirty.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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No video of the Kesler dive yet? 
Lone_Prodigy
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This game is too much. I CAN'T DRINK IT'S SUNDAY NIGHT.
wsoxfan1214
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I'm sure this will come handy for people here:
:lol :lol :lol
brucewaynegretzky
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So pissed I have to sleep and miss the end of this. Great game. I fully expect the Nucks to pull it out. They've been pretty dominant. Kings win would be pure will from Quick.
Fair enough. Bottom line is there is nothing INHERENTLY wrong with a large majority of headshots. Yes they can be dangerous, but they also have a long tradition in the game. A player with the puck has traditionally assumed the risk to his body. If you disagree with that, it's fine, but quite frankly it ISN'T an absolute truth like you seem to believe it is. The guy with the puck needs to be the most aware person on the ice. Bottom line. The fact that a shot is to the head does not make it inherently "dirty" or "wrong." That's an extremely recent development and certainly doesn't qualify under whatever your definition of "common sense" is. Any regulation of headshots should keep in mind that things like skating with your head down, coasting across the blueline coming into the zone, and making poorly placed stretch passes almost WARRANT a headshot in a lot of ways. Also considering the level the head is at relative to the shoulder very often restricting players from making that contact seriously limits the ability of a lot of players to make legitimate defensive plays.
I understand that you think headshots are per se indecent or something, but realistically there are plenty of other things that could be done in terms of equipment, slowing the game down generally, and player education that could also be effective in reducing injuries. Headshots are always going to happen. To suggest that they are inherently wrong ignores a lot of what made the game great for a long time. I understand the safety concerns, but "headshots" in and of themselves are not the problem. There are other factors at play and you have to weigh what value each one has to the game.
Fair enough. Bottom line is there is nothing INHERENTLY wrong with a large majority of headshots. Yes they can be dangerous, but they also have a long tradition in the game. A player with the puck has traditionally assumed the risk to his body. If you disagree with that, it's fine, but quite frankly it ISN'T an absolute truth like you seem to believe it is. The guy with the puck needs to be the most aware person on the ice. Bottom line. The fact that a shot is to the head does not make it inherently "dirty" or "wrong." That's an extremely recent development and certainly doesn't qualify under whatever your definition of "common sense" is. Any regulation of headshots should keep in mind that things like skating with your head down, coasting across the blueline coming into the zone, and making poorly placed stretch passes almost WARRANT a headshot in a lot of ways. Also considering the level the head is at relative to the shoulder very often restricting players from making that contact seriously limits the ability of a lot of players to make legitimate defensive plays.
I understand that you think headshots are per se indecent or something, but realistically there are plenty of other things that could be done in terms of equipment, slowing the game down generally, and player education that could also be effective in reducing injuries. Headshots are always going to happen. To suggest that they are inherently wrong ignores a lot of what made the game great for a long time. I understand the safety concerns, but "headshots" in and of themselves are not the problem. There are other factors at play and you have to weigh what value each one has to the game.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Because it's a different dynamic. A quarterback is more removed, so they can't really do something "dirty". In hockey there's star players actually doing the dirty stuff. Ovechkin with his knee on knee bullshit for a while, Crosby with stuff he's done, Pronger and all the times he was suspended over his career. There have been plenty of superstars who do it because they can get away with it because they sort of do "protect their superstars" at least on some level. They just don't always protect them the same. It's not really analogous.
Ninja Scooter
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Let's Go Kings!
Coldnoodle
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Schneider is going to win this series...godammit ):
wsoxfan1214
Banned
white dynamite
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Quick keeping them in this. Holy shit.
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
Jesus fcccck Quick.
ZeroGravity
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A goal!
CrazedArabMan
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What a beauty by the Kings.
Coldnoodle
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BROWN IS SUCH A BEAST! BEEEEEEEEEEAST!
Wendel Clark
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lolz
endresults
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YESSSSS. Go back home, ya diving schmucks.
white dynamite
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YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
Ninja Scooter
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KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wendel Clark
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he scored a hat trick right after those rumors came out
I knew there were some Kings fans lying in the weeds!
CrazedArabMan
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I know that feel Nucks fans of outplaying a team and then boom, all it takes is one chance for the other team.... Stupid Preds :/