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[Slime]

I think they should shuffle them around.

Part I: An Unexpected Journey
Part II: Riddles in the Dark
Part III: There and Back Again

 

[Neuromancer]

I would prefer the third movie to cover the time between the end of the Hobbit and FOTR, though.

Yep it would make it pretty easy to ignore.

I don't even know what happens between the two, I suspect I'm not missing much.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

I think they should shuffle them around.

Part I: An Unexpected Journey
Part II: Riddles in the Dark
Part III: There and Back Again

That wouldn't really leave much in the way of narrative for the first film if Riddles in the Dark is saved for the second film.

An Unexpected Party
Roast Mutton
A Short Rest
Over Hill And Under Hill


Riddles In The Dark
Out Of The Frying-Pan Into The Fire
Queer Lodgings
Flies And Spiders
Barrels Out Of Bond
A Warm Welcome
On The Doorstep
Inside Information
Not At Home
Fire And Water
The Gathering Of The Clouds
A Thief In The Night
The Clouds Burst
The Return Journey
The Last Stage


This would be better.

An Unexpected Party
Roast Mutton
A Short Rest
Over Hill And Under Hill
Riddles In The Dark
Out Of The Frying-Pan Into The Fire
Queer Lodgings
Flies And Spiders
Barrels Out Of Bond

A Warm Welcome
On The Doorstep
Inside Information
Not At Home
Fire And Water
Plus White Council stuff

The Gathering Of The Clouds
A Thief In The Night
The Clouds Burst
The Return Journey
The Last Stage
Plus expanded Dwarf stuff/politics/Necromancer end/epilogue

 

[Curufinwe]

Yep it would make it pretty easy to ignore.

I don't even know what happens between the two, I suspect I'm not missing much.

Someone who had never read The Hobbit could say the same thing about it, but thanks for letting us know that you're not interested in something you know nothing about.

 

[Neuromancer]

Someone who had never read The Hobbit could say the same thing about it, but thanks for letting us know that you're not interested in something you know nothing about.

No problem, any time.

 

[StealthGoblin]

You mean like the story of what Gandalf was up to while he wasn't with the company? Just having him vanish for like the whole movie will feel odd, it will just be an unanswered question.

That stuff is already in the two movies. No need to shoot extra stuff for that. My point was that shooting new stuff and spreading things even more thinly is not what I want.

 

[Curufinwe]

Maybe it's nostalgia talking, but I would love to see them bring back Aragorn, Boromir, Faramir and Denethor for a bridge movie. And the Balrog. Show Balin (or one of his followers) actually writing in the book that Gandalf reads from in Moria in FOTR.

Spoiler

2951 - Sauron reveals himself in Mordor, and starts raising Barad-dûr anew. Estel, later known as Aragorn, comes of age and is told about his heritage; the Corsairs of Umbar officially ally themselves with Mordor and destroy great monument commemorating Ar-Pharazôn's victory over Sauron
2953 - Last meeting of the White Council. Fengel, fifteenth king of Rohan, dies. His son Thengel returns to Rohan to succeed him.
2956 - Aragorn first meets Gandalf the Grey
2957-2980 - Aragorn as Thorongil serves in the armies of King Thengel of Rohan, and Steward Ecthelion II of Gondor
September 22, 2968 - Frodo Baggins is born
2978 - Birth of Boromir
2980 - Arwen pledges her hand in marriage to Aragorn; Frodo Baggins loses both of his parents in a boating accident; Aragorn, in the service of the Steward of Gondor Ecthelion II leads a taskforce south and kills the Captain of the Haven, ruler of Umbar; Samwise Gamgee born;[15] Théoden, son of Thengel, becomes seventeenth king of Rohan after the death of his father.
2982 - Birth of Meriadoc Brandybuck (Merry)
2983 - Birth of Faramir
2989 - Frodo Baggins comes under the guardianship of Bilbo Baggins; a company of Dwarves, led by Balin, try to recolonize Moria
2990 - Birth of Peregrin Took (Pippin)
2991 - Birth of Éomer
2994 - Balin is killed; the dwarf-colony in Moria is destroyed
2995 - Birth of Éowyn
3001 - Bilbo Baggins turns 111, passes the One Ring on to Frodo Baggins, and leaves the Shire. From now on Aragorn and Gandalf intermittently hunt Gollum
3002 - Lalia Clayhanger, the matriarch of the Took clan, dies, aged 119, and possibly pushed by Pearl Took;[16] Bilbo settles in Rivendell
3007 - Gilraen, Aragorn II's mother passes away at the age of 100 years
3014 - Saruman begins using his influence to weaken Théoden, king of Rohan
3017 - Gollum is released from Mordor; Aragorn finally tracks him down in the Dead Marshes, and brings him as a captive to King Thranduil's halls in Mirkwood

 

[agrajag]

I don't like the idea of film 3 being mostly Sauron/Appendices stuff. This movie is THE HOBBIT and the climax of the films should be stuff from The Hobbit.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

I don't like the idea of film 3 being mostly Sauron/Appendices stuff. This movie is THE HOBBIT and the climax of the films should be stuff from The Hobbit.

I'm sure the Battle of the Five Armies will be at the forefront of the narrative and serve as the big climax to the film a la the Battle of the Morannon in ROTK. Peter will milk that battle for all it's worth. The Necro/appendices stuff will probably be dealt with earlier on, then a short foreboding of what's to come via the epilogue with a shot of an incomplete Barad-dûr and a ghostly figure entering it.

 

[maquiladora]

fuckin spoilers! although return of the king is pretty spoilery

The Desolation is a geographic area of wasteland caused by Smaug, it's not really spoilerish.

 

[richiek]

I agree, although maybe it will be three 2 hour movies, and six hours total isn't really that long.

Then why not make them two 3 hour movies if that's the case? I'm pretty sure Jackson is making three 3 hour Hobbit films, especially considering how much footage Jackson shot.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Then why not make them two 3 hour movies if that's the case? I'm pretty sure Jackson is making three 3 hour Hobbit films.

More revenue with three 2 hour films. Now that Batman and Harry Potter are finished, WB are relying on Tolkien and Superman for the next few years before the inevitable Batman reboot and Justice League film.

 

[Candeldandel]

I was talking to a friend yesterday, and while she's looking forward to this movie (like no one else I know), she is rather worried about Aragorn and whether or not he'll be making an appearance at the end of these Hobbit movies; does anyone know if he'll show up? I don't remember him actually being in The Hobbit, but now that there's going to a third movie, does it increase the chances that he'll be able to shine some light on the narratives right before the LOTR story begins?

Disclaimer: I'm not that versed in Tolkien time-lines, so I dunno if I got that right, :lol

 

[Edmond Dantès]

I was talking to a friend yesterday, and while shes looking forward to this movie (like no one else I know), she is rather worried about Aragorn and whether or not he'll be making an appearance at the end of these Hobbit movies; does anyone know if he'll show up? I don't remember him actually being in The Hobbit, but now that there's going to a third movie, does it increase the chances that he'll be able to shine some light on the narratives right before the LOTR story begins?

Disclaimer: I'm not that versed in Tolkien time-lines, so I dunno if I got that right, :lol

If you go by the film timeline, he would be around 27 during The Hobbit and would most probably be in Rivendell at that time. So, a brief nod to his character while Bilbo and co are there is possible. He wouldn't feature heavily, just be in the background.

If you go by Tolkien's actual timeline then he would be 10 and still known as Estel.

Born in TA 2931
Hobbit happens around TA 2941

Whatever happens, Viggo won't be in The Hobbit, a younger actor may be cast, but still a very minor role.


As for the third movie it seems only stuff relevant to The Hobbit will feature and anything post Hobbit, pre LOTR will be omitted.

 

[UraMallas]

Whatever happens, Viggo won't be in The Hobbit, a younger actor may be cast, but still a very minor role.

Why is he not in The Hobbit? Is it because he didn't want to be or they just didn't cast him?

 

[Loxley]

Why is he not in The Hobbit? Is it because he didn't want to be or they just didn't cast him?

Aragorn isn't in the book, and unlike Legolas - who isn't in the book either but can feasibly be added in - there's no real place to add Aragorn where it would make any sense (at least not that I can recall).

 

[Felix Lighter]

Between characters aging slowly and characters that basically don't age at all, it's probably not going to be all that clear to the average viewer that the Hobbit takes place 60 years prior to the Fellowship of the Ring if they don't make a special point of it.

 

[Loxley]

Between characters aging slowly and characters that basically don't age at all, it's probably not going to be all that clear to the average viewer that the Hobbit takes place 60 years prior to the Fellowship of the Ring if they don't make a special point of it.

I think this is part of the reason why they have the opening (potentially prologue) with Frodo and Bilbo (as shown in the trailer), to establish that Bilbo is telling a story from his past, "While I can honestly say I've told you the truth, I may not have told you...everything.".

 

[Freshmaker]

Just heard about the trilogy revelation - wow, this is heavy.

Not in my wildest dreams did I think we would get this .. a prequel trilogy.

It's like poetry.

 

[Mr Cola]

I think this is part of the reason why they have the opening (potentially prologue) with Frodo and Bilbo (as shown in the trailer), to establish that Bilbo is telling a story from his past, "While I can honestly say I've told you the truth, I may not have told you...everything.".

I know its only a small part but im particularly looking forward to this, I imagine its one of the first things they penned a few years ago, how to bridge the films for the uninformed cinema goer. That and its great to see that Ian Holm is given full respect as Bilbo, it would have been very easy for them to brush over him somewhat.

 

[Loxley]

Okay, I'm into this...

 

[Neuromancer]

What exactly are those glasses supposed to look like?

 

[Edmond Dantès]

What exactly are those glasses supposed to look like?

The key to a very secret

Spoiler

tunnel leading into Smaug's lair.

 

[Neuromancer]

Ohhhhhh

 

[bengraven]

What exactly are those glasses supposed to look like?

Dwarven.

 

[Mr Cola]

no 3d for this cowboy, 2d, 24fps all the way

 

[Neuromancer]

Dwarven.

Gotcha.

The idea of dwarves toiling away to make plastic 3D glasses is somewhat amusing.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

no 3d for this cowboy, 2d, 24fps all the way

2d 24fps, 3d 24fps, 2d 48fps and 3d 48fps for me.

And if I can get a ticket to the London premiere.

 

[Felix Lighter]

2D 48 fps is how I'm hoping to see it the first time. I probably won't have a lot of choices in my immediate area though.

 

[Candeldandel]

Oh man, those glasses are actually really cool... I hope I can grab a pair; I'll prolly end up seeing it more than once anyway, so why not in 3D?

2d 24fps, 3d 24fps, 2d 48fps and 3d 48fps for me.

And if I can get a ticket to the London premiere.

Ahh! You'll have to post hella pictures if you manage to get one. Good luck!

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

2d 24fps, 3d 24fps, 2d 48fps and 3d 48fps for me.

And if I can get a ticket to the London premiere.

I plan to do this as well. Minus the London part.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Third Hobbit film's production costs unclear

Previously, the budget for the two movies was estimated, probably conservatively, at $500 million. A source says the production cost of the third could run between half and two-thirds as much as one of the other two films thanks to work that's already been done. (Marketing No. 3 will add to the total.) But the final cost is not yet known because the studio is awaiting a full script for the third movie.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hobbit-movie-news-peter-jackson-lord-rings-trilogy-356696


Off topic: The final post count of this thread is going to look pretty embarrassing for me when it's all said and done.

 

[Kud Dukan]

So they will be doing a few extra weeks of additional filming next June. From everything that has been said, it seems like the majority of the content for this trilogy has already been shot, and they are just going to spread it across three films (with additional scenes) instead of doing it in two.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

So they will be doing a few extra weeks of additional filming next June. From everything that has been said, it seems like the majority of the content for this trilogy has already been shot, and they are just going to spread it across three films (with additional scenes) instead of doing it in two.

Pretty much.

 

[Loxley]

Third Hobbit film's production costs unclear

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hobbit-movie-news-peter-jackson-lord-rings-trilogy-356696


Off topic: The final post count of this thread is going to look pretty embarrassing for me when it's all said and done.

We can both hang our heads in shame

 

[Edmond Dantès]

We can both hang our heads in shame

Indeed.


In other news, this horse has been cast in The Hobbit.

Could be one of Beorn's buddies or Smaug's snack.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Trailer 2 - The one attached to Brave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpdYKhv3EK0

 

[Edmond Dantès]

The new shots:

 

[Lamel]

The new shots:

Quoted for visibility.

 

[Fix The Scientist]

I hope that forest isnt mirkwood, mirkwood needs to be way more creepy.. almost otherworldly. This was my major complaint with the original 3 movies. shit forests.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

I hope that forest isnt mirkwood, mirkwood needs to be way more creepy.. almost otherworldly. This was my major complaint with the original 3 movies. shit forests.

They're probably running from the Wargs in that scene, so a different, more normal forest.

The Bilbo shots are most certainly in Mirkwood though.

 

[Mr Cola]

It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out of your door. You step into the Road, and if you don't keep your feet, there is no knowing where you might be swept off to.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

How much The Hobbit is worth.

Inaccurate now, considering the appendices.

And the definitive version of The Hobbit is 351 pages long.

 

[Felix Lighter]

I understand what they're getting at but money/time spent per page are meaningless statistics when the movies aren't exactly page for page recreations of the books. Fleshing out the Hobbit to better fit with the Lord of the Rings trilogy was always going to make it significantly longer. Whether or not a third movie has a negative impact or a positive impact, who knows?

 

[bengraven]

It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out of your door. You step into the Road, and if you don't keep your feet, there is no knowing where you might be swept off to.

 

[Neuromancer]

Ca-ching!

 

[Dmax3901]

Trailer 2 - The one attached to Brave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpdYKhv3EK0

I may be slightly intoxicated, but fuck me if I didn't get stupidly excited thinking this was a brand new trailer for a whole 30 seconds...

 

[LegendofJoe]

My excitement for these movies took a big hit with the announcement of an additional film. That said has there been any mention of what additional content they're going to include? If they're attempting to do a bridging film between the story encapsulated in the Hobbit and the beginning of FOTR all will be forgiven. If they're just going to drag out the plot of the Hobbit while interspersing bits from the appendices I will not be pleased in the slightest.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

My excitement for these movies took a big hit with the announcement of an additional film. That said has there been any mention of what additional content they're going to include? If they're attempting to do a bridging film between the story encapsulated in the Hobbit and the beginning of FOTR all will be forgiven. If they're just going to drag out the plot of the Hobbit while interspersing bits from the appendices I will not be pleased in the slightest.

The later seems more likely now, rather than a bridge film.

 

[Mr Cola]

Rewatched the two towers, that Sam speech at the end :[, its writing and acting like that that gives me hope for the hobbit.