Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Yeah he certainly is. Guillermo certainly didn't have that kind of patience, which is understandable of course.
Also, new promotion image revealed.
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The Hobbit - Official Thread of Officially In Production
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Also, new promotion image revealed.
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Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Gets tiresome yes. He's still the man for the job, regardless of the mixed reception of his previous two films.
That's why it's generally a good idea to avoid Hobbit related threads apart from this one.
Candeldandel
Member
Why yes, yes I am. Actually, I'm quite tired of the just general negativity I see on forums (not just GAF) :\ And you wonder why I've been a jr. for so long! :lol
In regards to the PJ ... discussion, I usually just watch for Edmond Dantes, Loxley, or someone else from this official thread to swing in and put the fires out, heh. If I can't add something level-headed or informative, I just gotta step back
yep im done with that thread, a third of the posts trolls, another third of the posts dont even read your argument (or worse read and refuse to acknowledge or understand it) and the final third actually looking to debate a little bit on the matter, which can be found much more reasonably in here.
Does Warner Brothers/Peter Jackson also have the movie rights for this book?
I read this way back after the last LOTR movie was released, and it had some great material on Gandalf and Saruman if I remember right. The announcement of a third movie definately has potential if Jackson can include parts of this book in the movies.
I read this way back after the last LOTR movie was released, and it had some great material on Gandalf and Saruman if I remember right. The announcement of a third movie definately has potential if Jackson can include parts of this book in the movies.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Sadly no.Does Warner Brothers/Peter Jackson also have the movie rights for this book?
I read this way back after the last LOTR movie was released, and it had some great material on Gandalf and Saruman if I remember right. The announcement of a third movie definately has potential if Jackson can include parts of this book in the movies.
I agree that there is some great material in there. Well worth reading.
overthehill99
Member
Is there a definitive version of The Hobbit (book)? Amazon seems to have two different nice looking hardcover ones.
vicissitudes
Banned
People aren't hating on PJ, just questioning this move specifically. I think PJ is a good director, I just think two Hobbit films will likely be better paced than three, especially since the decision to add a third one was made after all the principal shooting is already done.
There was talk about a "bridge" film before production even started. I think they originally intended to do two movies once production started and then saw all of the material left on the cutting room floor (which probably amounted to like 30-45 minutes) and they just decided to go ahead and flesh out the rest of the 90 or so minutes it would take to complete another film with stuff from the appendices. Like PJ said, they didn't want to leave anything undone since this will probably be the definitive version of Tolkien's work (with LOTR) for at least the next 20 years when another remake is bound to happen.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
The Annotated Hobbit and the 75th anniversary edition are two of the best.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0618134700/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0618968636/?tag=neogaf0e-20
This one is famed for having Tolkien's own original illustrations.
The Alan Lee illustrated version is also worth tracking down.
http://i.minus.com/ibbQuWuO1PQix9.jpg
Especially for illustrations such as these:
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
FYI, when they were talking about the 'bridge film', they were talking about doing The Hobbit in one movie and then the second movie would be the bridge film.
There are a number of posts in that cesspool of a thread calling Jackson a "greedy asshole" or some variant, along with people saying "fuck you Jackson". It's unnecessarily vicious rhetoric that's normally reserved for threads about Politicians or Diablo 3. I mean, given how people reacted when this was just a rumor I certainly expected some backlash should it become official, but I had no idea it would get this ridiculous. It's why I bailed out of that thread after four pages.
I understand the concern completely, however I don't understand why people are so cynical when we haven't even seen the first damn movie yet. How can people say a third movie wouldn't work when, at this point, we have only a vague idea of what's being included in the first two films? Lets put down the torches and pitchforks, take a deep breath, and wait to see the finished product.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
I mentioned it in the other thread, but I'll ask in this thread. Has anyone seen the Sharkey's Purist Editions?
Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_-BsZDaXo
This was inspired by the original The Two Towers: The Purist Edit:
Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_-BsZDaXo
BertramCooper
Banned
Because the decision to make it a trilogy is being made FIVE MONTHS before the first installment hits theaters, well after principal photography wrapped.
It was written and produced as two films. And now, at the very last minute, they're expanding it to three. It's absurd.
Wiggum2007
Junior Member
Peter you have my permission to make it 3 movies if you include the talking animals
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Well what do you know. These have just been registered to MarkMonitor, which operated TheHobbitAnUnexpectedJourney.com and TheHobbitThereandBackAgain.com
Harry Potter
Banned
I like Riddles in the Dark.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
No, just did a search on http://www.domaintools.com/.
It's been mentioned in a news article as well.
Stuff from forums tend to make the news these days, you just have to look at what happened with the 'trailer 2' issue from a month ago for a good example of that.
maquiladora
Member
Edmond Dantès;40455792 said:
Riddles In The Dark refers to something we'll surely see in the first film though, can't see that being used as a title for 2 or 3.
Nick Laslett
Member
I believe this is a fairly inaccurate and misleading statement.
The approach Peter Jackson has taken to making “The Hobbit” is an organic, iterative process. You only have to watch the 8 Production Diaries that have been released to know this. He has stated many times that the script is not fixed and is being continually re-written. These revisions and changes will now continue well into the post-production period.
The Principle Shoot for “The Hobbit” lasted 266 days, this was completed on 6th July 2012. The production was not divided into 2 movies, it was one continuous production broken into 2 shooting blocks, with a break to give the cast and crew some time-off.
I assume that when the production team assessed the material available they concluded that they had enough to support 3 movies instead of 2. So instead of trying to cram all of the material prepared into two movies, they now have the luxury of being able to spread the good material over a longer running time. They have planned 2 months of additional shooting next summer to support movies 2 & 3. http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/25/three-hobbit-movies-still-possible
Nick Laslett
Member
How the new film titles for “The Hobbit” trilogy work.
Film One = ‘An Unexpected Journey’
Film Three = ‘There and Back Again’
These are the two existing titles, with poster and logo materials already produced etc.
Film Two = either “Riddles in the Dark” or “Desolation of Smaug”
This gives a pretty good idea where the story breaks are for movies 1,2 & 3 for the “Riddles in the Dark and “Desolation of Smaug” titles to work for the 2nd film.
Film One = ‘An Unexpected Journey’
Film Three = ‘There and Back Again’
These are the two existing titles, with poster and logo materials already produced etc.
Film Two = either “Riddles in the Dark” or “Desolation of Smaug”
This gives a pretty good idea where the story breaks are for movies 1,2 & 3 for the “Riddles in the Dark and “Desolation of Smaug” titles to work for the 2nd film.
This is a pretty big surprise, because it would mean film one climaxes with the Dwarves captured by the Goblins of the Misty Mountains, Gandalf coming to the rescue and Bilbo left behind. This is pretty early in the events of “The Hobbit”. This also implies that there is a lot of prologue material about Thrain II in Dol Guldur, White Council meeting, discovery that the Ringwraiths have returned etc.
maquiladora
Member
Spotted at the Olympics:
Karine Sergerie of Canada.
Karine Sergerie of Canada.
Felix Lighter
Member
I recently watched all the blog videos. They actually showed some of the filming of the Riddles in the Dark scene in blog videos, while at the same time making it a point not to show scenes from the second film. If that scene isn't in the first movie, I'd be very surprised.
I first suspected that the first film would end with
in the production videos.
I first suspected that the first film would end with
the eagle rescue from the goblins and wargs but it was pointed out to me that they've shown scenes as far out as the barrel ride
I don't know what to make of this news... I'm a big fan of PJ's LOTR (especially the SEE versions), but three Hobbit movies strikes me as odd...
But I'm still awaiting that glorious day when the SEE of all the Hobbit movies with all the documentaries etc arrive. It'll be so good
But I'm still awaiting that glorious day when the SEE of all the Hobbit movies with all the documentaries etc arrive. It'll be so good
Except there's no way you can possibly know this. We just have to wait and see.
Felix Lighter
Member
The book does focus almost completely on Bilbo but it isn't told from his perspective. It has an omniscience narrator that you could suggest is future Bilbo but the narrator discusses things that even future Bilbo couldn't possibly know.
Whether it was 2 movies or 3, though, I can guarantee that the films were never going to be an adventure told through one characters eyes. Events that happened out side of Bilbo's adventure were always going to be part of the movies.
Of course I can know that, a 3 part movie that spans 3+ years is different than a single movie, even if each part is made to have an ending.
fabricated backlash
Member
I wouldn't want anyone else near this project as a director to be perfectly clear, but stretching the Hobbit into a 3 part affair just seems na unnecessary and massively bloated affair.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Its a 300 page book spread across what'll likely be a minimum of 6 hours. I'm a big fan of backstory, but I'd much rather there be two movies and all of this stuff go into an extended edition. I just can't see the narrative of The Hobbit (what is in the actual book) being very well executed when spread so thin. Part of the charm of The Hobbit was that it was a self contained, relatively short fantastic adventure. Now this won't be self contained, it definitely won't be relatively short and the adventure will be interrupted by a lot of things that, while nice, aren't key to the tale of The Hobbit.
Like I said, I'd rather all of the extra stuff go into an extended edition.
You mean like the story of what Gandalf was up to while he wasn't with the company? Just having him vanish for like the whole movie will feel odd, it will just be an unanswered question.
Felix Lighter
Member
I can definitely understand peoples concerns if they were expecting the movies to follow the story and tone of the Hobbit closely. I always expected that Peter Jackson's Hobbit was going to tell Bilbo's story but at the same time try to keep the tone consistent with his LoTR Trilogy. I'd imagine one of the best ways to do that is to roll the updates back into the Hobbit that were introduced later.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Battle of Five Armies would be decent and at least the general public would have no issues with the pronunciation of Smaug.
maquiladora
Member
Edmond Dantès;40476392 said:
Yeah I could see that. Film 2 would focus on
Laketown and Smaug as the climax
Battle of Five Armies, Necromancer/Sauron and how that ties into LOTR
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
OT
Corey Olsen known as the Tolkien Professor has written a new companion piece to The Hobbit, which is scheduled for a September release.
Synopsis
There will be a plethora of Hobbit tie-ins come Autumn/Winter and most of them will be cheap cash-ins and mostly awful, but this will certainly not be one of those.
Corey Olsen known as the Tolkien Professor has written a new companion piece to The Hobbit, which is scheduled for a September release.
Synopsis
There will be a plethora of Hobbit tie-ins come Autumn/Winter and most of them will be cheap cash-ins and mostly awful, but this will certainly not be one of those.
InvincibleAgent
Member
How anyone could think "The Desolation of Smaug" is a good title is beyond me. Good for people who read the book? Sure. Good for the general public, who are 80% of the audience? No, it's horrible.
I advocate Riddles in the Dark and The Battle of Five Armies. I know the Riddles in the Dark chapter happens early, but hell, they changed the meaning of "The Two Towers," why not this?
I advocate Riddles in the Dark and The Battle of Five Armies. I know the Riddles in the Dark chapter happens early, but hell, they changed the meaning of "The Two Towers," why not this?
Felix Lighter
Member
They actually made a Riddles in the Dark reference in the Fellowship of the Ring movie. That definitely wouldn't prevent them from using it outside of the actual scene but I have a feeling that they wouldn't.
Neuromancer
Member
The middle of the Battle of the Five Armies movie should just be a blank screen for 45 minutes.
Little Old Man
Member
Just as an aside, if anyone is interested Games Workshop has a 2 page advert in this months White Dwarf for its (inevitable) Hobbit range. Of course, it was just a picture of the cast at this moment in time, but more details will probably be released in October/ November.
Unfortunately GW has become more tight lipped than ever, so it is unlikely much will be spoiled until then. Also if it follows LOTR releases, the miniatures released before the film will be mostly of characters/armies we already know of, with any surprises held back until early next year (ala Fellbeast, Mordor Trolls etc).
Shame there won't be a Deagostini 'Battle Games in Middle Earth' type series released again. It was such a cheap way to get the miniatures!
Unfortunately GW has become more tight lipped than ever, so it is unlikely much will be spoiled until then. Also if it follows LOTR releases, the miniatures released before the film will be mostly of characters/armies we already know of, with any surprises held back until early next year (ala Fellbeast, Mordor Trolls etc).
Shame there won't be a Deagostini 'Battle Games in Middle Earth' type series released again. It was such a cheap way to get the miniatures!
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Yeah the Desolation of Smaug does not strike me as a good title.
Skellig Gra
Member
fuckin spoilers! although return of the king is pretty spoilery
I agree, although maybe it will be three 2 hour movies, and six hours total isn't really that long.
I would prefer the third movie to cover the time between the end of the Hobbit and FOTR, though.
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