Damn asshole courts taking away our ability to post sex tapes of people who didnt consent!
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Gawker (Kotaku parent) Files for Bankruptcy Protection, Ziff Davis (IGN) wants to buy
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Damn asshole courts taking away our ability to post sex tapes of people who didnt consent!
So companies should instead be allowed to mercilessly bully individuals? You have to draw some lines, and in this case a trial determined that those lines were crosses.
He didn't buy the judge and jury. Gawker are responsible for their own shitty practices and it took someone with enough time, money and resentment to finally call them out.
everything that happens to them is their fault. It won't happen to someone else unless they not publically laugh at court orders and act like idiots.
Lets flip this. I find the idea of a company single handedly destroying an individual unsettling.
It happens both ways.
Empyrean Heaven
Member
They're pretty much the reason why everyone in the games media bashes Nintendo.
No one's calling you out for defending gawker, they're calling you out for overblowing this idea of "precedent" and not understanding how freedom of press / the law / the courts work.
SolidSnakex
Member
He didn't single-handedly destroy them. The problem with your argument is that you continue to completely ignore that they broke the law which opened the door for him to help Hogan form a legal standpoint.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Can we start NeoGAF News, Turn the GAF front page into a news site and put Jason Schreier on the payroll ?
Alex Stroud
Banned
lolol ok there sport.
Kadin
Member
I really hope so.
but it's okay for a massive company to single-handedly try and destroy someone for being gay? They're nothing more than bullies and this time they picked on someone who can fight back.
and let's be very clear they did this to themselves. Nobody made them post garbage and taunt a judge.
It's possible, though I honestly was surprised that Giant Bomb remained it's own entity when it was folded back in. But like in that situation, the type of coverage they both provide is very different.
Arkam
Member
Post anything slightly juicy(here, other forums, twitter, etc and they DM asking for more. Sometimes they are nice and respect a simple No. Other times hey hound you. Even going as far as using alt accounts and build fake relationships so you think it is just another insider. I still remember reading my exact paraphrasing of the WiiU specs on a dozen sites that I believed was confidential.
In my personal experience TMZ is the worst. They will straight up cold call you (on the phone) if they get a lead.
I believe in good investigative reporting, but sometimes people cross the line.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Saying that "one person single handedly destroyed a company" is totally disengeous. They destroyed themselves by making stupid decisions in the way that any other company who continually makes stupid decisions might one day find themselves broke. If they had done nothing wrong or unethical, the guy with the grudge would not have been able to do shit, no matter how bad he hated them.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Shoutout to Kotaku's amazing Talk Amongst Yourself-Community and its many great articles.
BibiMaghoo
Member
I don't think the concern is that a billionaire can crush a company for exposing their private life like that. I think it's concerning that it takes a billionaire to do it at all, because that means the little people that don't have the money just have to live with it. That is the worse evil by far.
SirPenguin
Member
Uhh, I view it in the opposite way - we are lucky this happened to a billionaire because who else could fight back? If this had happened to basically anyone else then they would be free to continue their awful practices
I mean, I think I get your greater point, but sometimes the ends truly do justify the means, especially when there are so few "means" available to us
Big Shirtless Ron
Member
This is funny considering that rich buddy is also responsible for bankrolling James O'Keefe's ACORN smear job, which resulted in:
Peter Thiel is not a good guy and wasn't doing this to protect journalistic integrity. That's not to say that Gawker was in the right, and that Hogan doesn't deserve justice (even though I can't stand his racist ass), though. I'm just tired of seeing people paint this as something noble.
Deadpool_X
Banned
I can't speak for the person you're quoting, but for me, it's because they can't write a single article without tossing in their social-political commentary as well. I don't care what a person's stance is, but if I come to a video game site, I want to read about video games, not hear that kind of stuff. I stopped reading Kotaku like 3 or 4 years ago because of that garbage.
If I want to read social-political articles or comments, I'll visit one of the 3 news websites I frequent, not a video game site.
friskykillface
Banned
Hulk Hogan wins
shame, I liked going to Kotaku
shame, I liked going to Kotaku
partyphone
Banned
yes but what does this have to do with this case? thiel is still a shitty manbaby billionaire last I checked.
what this does is put a chilling effect on anyone reporting on billionaires.
No it doesn't unless you're posting slanderous shit.
It's more worrying that the only people that can fight back are billionaires.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
WHATCHA GONNA DO BROTHER?
Too good.
Kadin
Member
I love that so many of you can articulate how I feel and say things I couldn't say myself. Just had to say this real quick.
It's pretty amazing to see how this is playing out. I honestly never thought the day would come where the fall of Gawker would ever actually be a real thing. Even after the ruling, I figured they'd find a way to continue on. And now it looks like that won't happen. And I'm perfectly fine with that.
I just hope the guys I liked at Kotaku find a good place to land. That's all I ask.
It's pretty amazing to see how this is playing out. I honestly never thought the day would come where the fall of Gawker would ever actually be a real thing. Even after the ruling, I figured they'd find a way to continue on. And now it looks like that won't happen. And I'm perfectly fine with that.
I just hope the guys I liked at Kotaku find a good place to land. That's all I ask.
SolidSnakex
Member
How many websites, magazines, TV shows etc. have reported on billionaires and are still operating just fine today? The difference between them and Gawker is that they don't think they're above the law.
Kadin
Member
I've been wondering, if Gawker had pulled the video as the Judge ordered them to do, do you think Hogan would have still had a case and this outcome still could have been the end result? Or was their defiance the final straw?
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Best part is that Hogan posted that on his own Twitter a while back. Hilarious.
No it doesn't
Caddyshack
Banned
That's a shame, I had mad respect for them standing their ground to ensure the world got to see an old man fuck his best friend's wife.
/Salutes
/Salutes
Altered Juice
Member
bodied
There would be no case. Hogan's lawyer told Gawker that they would take no legal action if they just took the video down, which they refused obviously.
MegaManTrigger
Banned
Ridiculously oversimplified.
Simply put, don't post something without someone's consent and you won't find yourself in this trouble.
Giolon
Member
While I feel bad for the individuals that had nothing to do with the fuckery, I feel no sympathy for the owners and editors that blatantly flouted the court order to take the story down. It's like walking over 200 yards off the path in Yellowstone despite warning signs, and falling into a boiling acid pit. At some point it's your own fault.
Privacy should mean something, even if someone is a celebrity - and that story was in no way in the public interest.
I am trying to imagine what an IGN owned Kotaku would look like though....they'd probably just merge it into IGN and kill it eventually like 1Up.
Privacy should mean something, even if someone is a celebrity - and that story was in no way in the public interest.
I am trying to imagine what an IGN owned Kotaku would look like though....they'd probably just merge it into IGN and kill it eventually like 1Up.
GB had a lot more core brand strength than Kotaku did. It was personality driven whereas Kotaku is still content driven, and there's nothing really preventing that content from just migrating to IGN. I imagine they'll give it a shot, and operate Kotaku as a sort of higher-brow, more in-depth sister site to IGN, but if it's numbers aren't where they want after 6-12 months they'll just fold it into IGN and lay off all but whatever handful of writers they decide they want to keep.
Journalism that requires the consent of the person being reported on to publish ceases to be journalism and just becomes PR. Gawker was clearly in the wrong with Hogan, and I would say they were probably even in the wrong with Thiel, but good journalism is going to piss off people from time to time, and sometimes those people are going to be billionaires.
Gawker had the resources to fight and get to the point where they lost, but there are smaller outlets out there who don't have the resources to even fight a billionaire, even if they have a winning case.
Jawmuncher
Member
I would kill to be the host of Press Sneak Fucks Daily. You have that on your resume for the future and you're set.
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