I think I have to replay the games then haha.
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Gyakuten Saiban (Ace Attorney Anime) |OT| Eat your hamburgers, Naruhodo-kun
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I think I have to replay the games then haha.
I watched episode 2, they killed Chihiro? I thought she was going to be Ryuuichi's mentor ...
This episode was better than the first one but I still have a few problems with it, the way the police and justice system is portrayed is ridiculous, Mayoi gets immediately arrested, the trial is three days later and the defense doesn't get information except that a witness exists, nothing on the details of what she claims to have seen or any other evidence, the lawyer just walks in completely unprepared and has to come up with a defense right there on the spot.
I can see how this is based on a game, the player has to figure things out on the spot, that's the reason for this set up but so far it doesn't really work in the tv series, at least not for me.
Mayoi is cute enough and the detective is funny (and kind of a moron) but so far no character has really grabbed me. I thought the series would focus on Chihiro mentoring Ryuuichi but it seems like he has to do it on his own because none of the other characters in the opening are lawyers (except for the prosecutor but he's set up as a rival).
This all sounds pretty negative but I am interested in how this gets resolved although some thimgs are very on the nose, the fancy screwdriver got so much focus I'd be surprised if it doesn't turn out to ve an important clue.
I think Chihiro's big case that she wanted to hide evidence for will be this season's overachimg plot, somehow I don't believe the mystery wire tapper and lawyer threatener (and probably killer) will be caught right away, there'd be no reason to hide him in the shadows then. Finding Chihiro's killer could be a reason why Mayoi stays and doesn't return to her own life.
This episode was better than the first one but I still have a few problems with it, the way the police and justice system is portrayed is ridiculous, Mayoi gets immediately arrested, the trial is three days later and the defense doesn't get information except that a witness exists, nothing on the details of what she claims to have seen or any other evidence, the lawyer just walks in completely unprepared and has to come up with a defense right there on the spot.
I can see how this is based on a game, the player has to figure things out on the spot, that's the reason for this set up but so far it doesn't really work in the tv series, at least not for me.
Mayoi is cute enough and the detective is funny (and kind of a moron) but so far no character has really grabbed me. I thought the series would focus on Chihiro mentoring Ryuuichi but it seems like he has to do it on his own because none of the other characters in the opening are lawyers (except for the prosecutor but he's set up as a rival).
This all sounds pretty negative but I am interested in how this gets resolved although some thimgs are very on the nose, the fancy screwdriver got so much focus I'd be surprised if it doesn't turn out to ve an important clue.
I think Chihiro's big case that she wanted to hide evidence for will be this season's overachimg plot, somehow I don't believe the mystery wire tapper and lawyer threatener (and probably killer) will be caught right away, there'd be no reason to hide him in the shadows then. Finding Chihiro's killer could be a reason why Mayoi stays and doesn't return to her own life.
BassForever
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I watched episode 2, they killed Chihiro? I thought she was going to be Ryuuichi's mentor ...
This episode was better than the first one but I still have a few problems with it, the way the police and justice system is portrayed is ridiculous, Mayoi gets immediately arrested, the trial is three days later and the defense doesn't get information except that a witness exists, nothing on the details of what she claims to have seen or any other evidence, the lawyer just walks in completely unprepared and has to come up with a defense right there on the spot.
I can see how this is based on a game, the player has to figure things out on the spot, that's the reason for this set up but so far it doesn't really work in the tv series, at least not for me.
Mayoi is cute enough and the detective is funny (and kind of a moron) but so far no character has really grabbed me. I thought the series would focus on Chihiro mentoring Ryuuichi but it seems like he has to do it on his own because none of the other characters in the opening are lawyers (except for the prosecutor but he's set up as a rival).
This all sounds pretty negative but I am interested in how this gets resolved although some thimgs are very on the nose, the fancy screwdriver got so much focus I'd be surprised if it doesn't turn out to ve an important clue.
I think Chihiro's big case that she wanted to hide evidence for will be this season's overachimg plot, somehow I don't believe the mystery wire tapper and lawyer threatener (and probably killer) will be caught right away, there'd be no reason to hide him in the shadows then. Finding Chihiro's killer could be a reason why Mayoi stays and doesn't return to her own life.
All these Japanese names -.- its a good thing I've played AA1 like 5 times otherwise I'd be lost and I've seen this episode lol.
those elements aren't the games fault, but rather because this series is (or was) a parody of the japanese justice system. In context, some of it makes (or rather made?) a lot of sense, sadly
I watch the series on crunchyroll, those are the names in the subs. I only know that the main character is called Phoenix Wright, I used to think his name was Ace Attorney ...
Really? Wow, that's a bit scary.
Crunchyroll offers an alternative English sub track, which I assume is what most fans are using to watch the series.
Yeah, since all names have been localized in all games, watching the first episode without localized names was confusing as fuck. xD
I'm watching through the ipad app, I don't see an option to switch subtitles.
Maybe I just don't find it, I'm new to Crunchyroll.Personally I don't mind because I don't know the characters anyway but I think switching to the track anyone else is using would ne less confusing.
Hydrophobic
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I'm watching through the ipad app, I don't see an option to switch subtitles.
I reserve the right to be wrong on this, but you may not be able to switch subtitles in the app. When I was looking at how to turn subtitles off I came across something that said they made the subtitles a part of the video for the videos you get on apps (as opposed to the internet player) because when they moved from phone to tablet apps the subtitles just weren't scaling.
I like the series because I love the game, but I'm not completely sold on the animation style yet. Something about it just feels ever so slightly off to me. Also holy shit Red White's (I think Masaru Konaka for those of you with the non-localized subs) lines are ridiculous. I always love it when characters in Anime have lines that are completely in English (see: Joeseph Joestar in seasons 2 & 3 of Jojo).
BassForever
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I think you have to do it on PC I dunno if the wiiu app works. Sucks since Crunchyroll always has issues on my laptop compared to my ipad/phone/wiiu :[
The Giant
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Can't change subs on the wii u app.
Are you not interested in actually playing the games first? Ace Attorney is one of the greatest video game series there is, and you're just getting a watered down and incredibly subpar experience by watching the anime in its stead.
No, it's not my kind of game.
BassForever
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Out of curiosity you like mysteries just not a game thats only reading and solving mysteries?
Yes, I like to read but not so much in a game, I also like movies but games with too many cutscenes bore me to death. When I play a game I want to do things myself
I like jump and runs, city builders, action adventures (and even Zelda sometimes annoyed me with too many text boxes) and can spend hours decorating my sims houses. I don't doubt the Ace Arrorney games are good but it's not what I look for in a game. I'm fine experiencing the story this way.
I like jump and runs, city builders, action adventures (and even Zelda sometimes annoyed me with too many text boxes) and can spend hours decorating my sims houses. I don't doubt the Ace Arrorney games are good but it's not what I look for in a game. I'm fine experiencing the story this way.
Magnet_Man
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You are doing things and you are the one exploring the crime scenes and solving the crimes. It's not just you tapping A for 10 hours while watching the characters do the work for you.
It's your choice of course but I think you're making a few assumptions. Hopefully the anime covering the first two games will make you curious about what happens in the third game and prompt you to give it a try, especially since the third game is often considered the best in the series.
It's your choice of course but I think you're making a few assumptions. Hopefully the anime covering the first two games will make you curious about what happens in the third game and prompt you to give it a try, especially since the third game is often considered the best in the series.
BassForever
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I just figured people who liked mysteries would enjoy mystery focused games where you explore areas looking for clues and talk to people trying to figure out the truth.
Kirye
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Everyone looks for something different in a game. I love cars of all kinds, working on them, racing when I was younger, but I can't stand games like Gran Turismo and Need for Speed. Realistic racing games bore the hell out of me.
Huw_Dawson
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The AA games are games of deduction and adventure game puzzles, but they're equally just gripping crime/comedy visual novels.
The fact that the player is required to play a part in deducing the truth (and thus is playing as the character) is what marks the games apart from your normal VN.
Also I have to say that my feeling about this series has soured a lot, mostly because I disliked the 3rd episode a lot. I don't get why they're basically skipping all the tense courtroom moments where Naruhodo/PW has to really struggle and probe the truth.
The fact that the player is required to play a part in deducing the truth (and thus is playing as the character) is what marks the games apart from your normal VN.
Also I have to say that my feeling about this series has soured a lot, mostly because I disliked the 3rd episode a lot. I don't get why they're basically skipping all the tense courtroom moments where Naruhodo/PW has to really struggle and probe the truth.
BassForever
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Can confirm, the alt English track localizes miso ramen to burgers, I laughed pretty hard and was very happy CR went that extra step for the alt track. Will be awkward if see have a scene of them actually eating ramen though lol
Hydrophobic
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Eat your hamburgers, Apollo
I could see them trying to stick as close to the game's localization given that they're already going to the extra mile of using the localized character names.
His Japanese isn't bad. I don't think this is a case of intentionally bad English so much as it is a case of Japanese-English. Also if you haven't heard any other Japanese VAs do English lines, a lot of them tend to sound like this guy did.
Fair point. I guess the the amount of english lines and him repeating them draws more attention here. So I guess he is Japanese from his name, just uses a lot of English to seem cool.
King Gilga
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Honestly outside of Maya I don't like anyone's voice in this, it all sounds so wrong, so wrong.
Daria Morgendorffer
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Is there really no way to change the subtitles on the crunchyroll app?
I wanted to watch the latest episode in bed but I really prefer the localised subs.
I wanted to watch the latest episode in bed but I really prefer the localised subs.
RecRoulette
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I almost jumped out of my chair when
That'll do Wright.
the cornered theme played.
That'll do Wright.
Herr Starr
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That was great, particularly considering that the end of this case is one of the worst endings in the entire trilogy. The show handled it in a way that felt much more satisfying. Glad to hear two more tracks from the game too, with hints at a third one (Turnabout Sisters).
Birth of a legend right here.
Magnet_Man
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Hey they fixed the running animations in the opening! Now it just looks dumb for being out of place and generic!
Herr Starr
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You can watch the opening? I tried, and it made me want to rip my ears out.
Magnet_Man
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It's like looking directly into the face of madness. This was not the work of a single person, but an entire team crafting, reviewing, and designing this opening before leaning back in their chairs and saying "Yes, this will do".
Huw_Dawson
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The opening is bonkers. The closing is really sweet, though.
One other amazing thing about the alt English sub: it keeps a lot of Redd White's inane words from the game loc.
The sub team is doing a really great job - but boy oh boy is this a visually poor show. There's at least two pans to the 3d background models that are used for the court watchers. They're terrible. Plus a lot of very mangled or otherwise very strange looking faces, hands, and drawn art appearing blurry because it's been zoomed in on after being drawn. And some outright wonky stuff, like last episode how Mia's age changed on the TV between shots from 28->27.
The thing is though, as the show's gone one, it does seem like they're adding more and more animation. The bit with Wright's face pushing Redd White's face out was great. It's just very occasional.
Maybe the BR version will be fixed up?
One other amazing thing about the alt English sub: it keeps a lot of Redd White's inane words from the game loc.
The sub team is doing a really great job - but boy oh boy is this a visually poor show. There's at least two pans to the 3d background models that are used for the court watchers. They're terrible. Plus a lot of very mangled or otherwise very strange looking faces, hands, and drawn art appearing blurry because it's been zoomed in on after being drawn. And some outright wonky stuff, like last episode how Mia's age changed on the TV between shots from 28->27.
The thing is though, as the show's gone one, it does seem like they're adding more and more animation. The bit with Wright's face pushing Redd White's face out was great. It's just very occasional.
Maybe the BR version will be fixed up?
Aaron Strife
Banned
Is Redd's dialogue different in the Japanese names track? Interesting if so, way more effort than I'd expect to be put into this.
In the video games, Maya's favorite food is changed from ramen to burgers between the JP/US versions.RangerBAD said:
The Japanese names track keeps it as ramen.
Nocturnowl
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I don't know what random trope thing gets me the most but the explosion of sunflowers just made me want to object at my tv screen.
Episode 4
Wow, that was actually a great episode. I didn't really think much of how they'd manage future courtroom scenes after the first case's, but they pulled this one off well. There were some really ugly shots to the 3D modeled crowd several times, which was just terrible looking. But there were some visually neat effects going on, notably the use of cut-ins when Phoenix was trying to grasp at straws.
I feel better about this show now. The use of music for the climax was good, too. And they fixed the running animation in the opening and the color of the pillars Phoenix and Edgeworth are standing on (I'll still be skipping it after this, though).
Wow, that was actually a great episode. I didn't really think much of how they'd manage future courtroom scenes after the first case's, but they pulled this one off well. There were some really ugly shots to the 3D modeled crowd several times, which was just terrible looking. But there were some visually neat effects going on, notably the use of cut-ins when Phoenix was trying to grasp at straws.
I feel better about this show now. The use of music for the climax was good, too. And they fixed the running animation in the opening and the color of the pillars Phoenix and Edgeworth are standing on (I'll still be skipping it after this, though).
Here's the Pachinko version of this episode, for anyone who would like to compare how it handled it with this latest episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ7ffRfMEqI
Magnet_Man
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They could've done anything even slightly related to the games. Something like Gun X Sword's where silhouettes of the characters are shown but don't reveal them in the intro until they appear in the show. All while showing locations or evidence from the games.
Or if we gotta be generic, it starts with Phoenix asleep at his desk, then Maya wakes him up and shows the TV and she's flipping through the channels and each one shows a different location like Global Studios, Gourd Lake, Berry Big Circus, Lordly Tailor, so on. Then a series of transitions of him investigating the scenes in slide-show or brief animated segments getting annoyed at Gumshoe, finding a clue on the ground, getting manhandled by a witness, whatever. Go to court for the theme song's chorus where Phoenix and Edgeworth are throwing "Objection"s at each other, Phoenix starts to look defeated when Maya pats him on the back, gives a "ganbare~" pose or whatever, turns into Mia with fancy pants animu effects, they nod to each other, Phoenix yells Objection, Edgeworth does his "defeated / angry" pose, Phoenix and all the main characters gather in anime formation, he points at the screen, title card, court doors close. And then just use one of the hundreds of samey jpop songs about "never giving up" or "change fate".
But no. Let's do running, running in the rain, walking on the beach, the golden chains of yaoi fanfics, SUNFLOWERS!!!!!!, more running, title.
digitalflame
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Why is this so good? I thought pachinko was supposed to be where dreams die (or so Konami has led me to believe)
Also, what's the general consensus on the OST? Pursuit-Cornered felt really underwhelming to me...
Another alright episode. Watching an Engrish speaking Redd White with the alt subs is pretty jarring to me imo. The 3D crowd is also pretty weird and kinda out of place. There are a lot of strange close-ups of Redd White but I guess that's to be expected when he's trying really hard to lie and be overly dramatic on the stand.
Same. I didn't notice the Cornered arrangement until someone pointed it out. Its fine but not as energetic and thrilling as the original theme.
Same. I didn't notice the Cornered arrangement until someone pointed it out. Its fine but not as energetic and thrilling as the original theme.
Reposting from the AnimeGAF OT:
Ace Attorney #4
I object to this completely lifeless adaptation. Thinking about it, I don't believe the game was as good for its story as it was for having you play through it while the plot unfolded, and taking agency away leaves a very bare-bones plot that is barely at around Detective Conan AO tier. The way things have been so far gives me little hope for later cases, even if the next one is going to have Oldbag in it.
Also, it looks like the poor bellboy who signed the affidavit was completely ignored for this adaptation, so I guess that means
Ace Attorney #4
I object to this completely lifeless adaptation. Thinking about it, I don't believe the game was as good for its story as it was for having you play through it while the plot unfolded, and taking agency away leaves a very bare-bones plot that is barely at around Detective Conan AO tier. The way things have been so far gives me little hope for later cases, even if the next one is going to have Oldbag in it.
Also, it looks like the poor bellboy who signed the affidavit was completely ignored for this adaptation, so I guess that means
they won't even pay attention to him when he shows up again in a later case.
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