-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Has Nintendo's handling of the SNES Classic convinced anyone else to build a Retro Pi
- Thread starter oni-link
- Start date
brightsons
Member
Already have a pi3 setup with retropie, a NES Classic hacked with more NES, SNES, and Genesis games, and hopefully my SNES Classic order on Amazon.uk will come through.
I use wireless 360 controllers for my pi3 and 8bitdo controllers and wireless dongles for my NES Classic and if there is lag, I don't notice it (thank god, it would drive me crazy if I did).
I use wireless 360 controllers for my pi3 and 8bitdo controllers and wireless dongles for my NES Classic and if there is lag, I don't notice it (thank god, it would drive me crazy if I did).
Arcade is kinda a separate problem, if you want a snes box for snes games the pi is incredibly convenient.
SmiteOfHand
Member
I mean, I hear you, but would you not need to include the cost of the console, at least in part, and buying the games off the eShop then? As well as factoring that in as part of the convenience equation? Arguing from the perspective of cost being cheap while also saying "don't assume piracy" then failing to include the cost of those legit sources is disingenuous. All told a legit setup is no way comparable from a cost perspective. It isn't a bullet point that can be argued in favor of, particularly if you are starting from nothing.
Buggy Loop
Member
Gaf, where everyone talking about emulating somehow has a huge collection of old console cartridges.
Is this the least believable lie around gaming? I think so..
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
I mean this is an enthusiast gaming forum, unless you've forgotten. If anyone is likely to have a large collection of retro games, it'll be Gaffers.
CuNi
Member
I'd understand that argument, if I could walk into the next gamestop and buy a cartridge for a snes there. But I can't. So except those games that exist for VC, there's no way of getting new game cartridges. So even if it would be piracy, you don't really do any financial Dmg to Nintendo, since you can't get them anywhere else except used.
SmiteOfHand
Member
FWIW I do have a good chunk of my physical collection ripped legit. I wouldn't use that as arguments in terms of costs and convenience, though. There is a shitload of cost, time, and effort sunk into stuff like that. Cheap and convenient would not be how I describe it in any way, shape, or form.
D.Lo
Member
Yep. "it's really cheap compared to the SNES Mini, if you already have all the original carts, hardware to rip carts, and a Wii U and have bought them all on VC and have the knowhow and ability to rip VC games from a Wii U."
The type of person who has all that likely also has a Framemeister or CRT and plays on real hardware anyway. Emulation boxes (outside of super high quality emulation like the original Wii VC with 240p output) are not true enthusiast devices, they're compromises for casual consumption of these games.
Yep same here. It is not cheap or easy.
Robin64
Member
A lot of us do indeed have large retro game collections purely because when we bought them they weren't "retro games" they were just "games".
And as previously mentioned, you can also rip ROMs from VC titles across the three systems they appear on.
CharminUltra
Member
I put together a retro pie already. I'm still getting a SNES classic tho.
late to this thread, but Ars Technica has a pretty long guide about building a RetroPie machine from bottom to top: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017...edition-with-the-raspberry-pi-3-and-retropie/
Zombie James
Banned
Pi's aren't exactly as affordable up here in Canada as it is elsewhere but it's something I've thought about doing for a long while now. Baby steps, though, there are a few projects I have in mind right now that I want to get done before I jump into that.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Basically. There is no way someone is talking an out how much cheaper and easier it is to use the retro pi in comparison to snes mini even if you consider the massive costs and not referring to piracy.
Unlike with disc based media it's not quite as easy to legimately emulate your cartridges so let's drop any pretenses here.
cacophony555
Member
I guess it depends on how you define "purity" but a flawless FPGA implementation (like the Nt mini) is preferable to original hardware connected to a framemeister IMO. Not only is the native 1080p output crisper but it adds zero lag (compared to 20ms for the framemeister upscale).
I would also not be surprised if the quality of some of the NES/SNES emluators that are available on the raspberry pi are at least as good (if not better) than the official NES/SNES classic.
That said, I'm excited to buy a SNES classic, despite owning a SNES + Everdrive + PVM, as well as a bunch of different RetroPie setups.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
switch killed my faith in nintendo build quality anyway
Listen, read my later posts.
I have a Raspberry Pi Zero.
But if I don't have the SNES games, at all then the effort and cost to get to play these 20+1 games seems far higher than getting the SNES Classic.
The whole point of this thread is that this is a viable alternative to a SNES Classic.
Yeah, sure.
About the topic, I haven't interest in the SNES Classic neither get and configure a Retro Pi. Actually, I'm more interested in the Classic systems as just plain toys to decorate my workplac...I mean, my home.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
my pro controller's bluetooth died in 3 weeks and around the same time the screen started peeling off of my switch. I dont really care about one funny drop test.
thechristoph
Sir!
The NES classic did. I did it, played with it for a couple weeks, then put it away. Once it was done and set up, the fun was over. That and I couldn't get the 8bitdo pad to stay connected via bluetooth. I'd always have to do some jumping jacks to sync it every time I started it up...maybe RetroPie is better now.
SmiteOfHand
Member
Fair. Sound emu slightly nudges me to original hardware above all else just because how weird and difficult that can be to determine, but that doesn't mean video scalers, even the really good ones, get a pass being part of the chain. In the long run my money is on FPGA hardware solutions, or something similar, being king, even above original hardware. I could even see Nintendo or Sega releasing their own FPGA unit at some point. If they are smart and the economics work out.
That said, soft emu is great and isn't going anywhere anytime soon and has loads of practical uses.
polyh3dron
Banned
nope, got a real SNES. I am considering making a repro cart for the official Star Fox 2 release after the rom inevitably gets ripped from the SNES classic (which I am buying) though
MrMephistoX
Member
Not really if I didn't get in on the pre-orders I'd just order internationally rather than pay scalper prices for the U.S version. $120 isn't too bad compared to $500 when you factor in International shipping.
Affeinvasion
Member
My pi arrives to tomorrow...so I guess, yes.
TheMoon
Member
nevermind the fact that nobody has Starfox 2 ...so... base premise is impossible to achieve anyway
Altered Juice
Member
well I managed to secure a pre-order but I would pass either way.
1.add 20 of those cartridges up.
2.official SNES controllers that doesn't seem to be on sale
3.*googles retro pi SNES case*
1.add 20 of those cartridges up.
2.official SNES controllers that doesn't seem to be on sale
3.*googles retro pi SNES case*
Pilgrimzero
Member
No.
It was the NES Classic BS that got me to get a Pi that does everything. From Arcade to NES to SNES to Genesis etc etc.
It was the NES Classic BS that got me to get a Pi that does everything. From Arcade to NES to SNES to Genesis etc etc.
Mr. Nice_Guy
Member
I know I do, and until you can prove that everyone who talks about roms does not in fact own the software they are emulating, maybe keep the baseless accusations to yourself.
Omegasquash
Member
It has not.
It has served to remind me to upgrade from a Pi2 Retropie, something I've been meaning to do for awhile, but keep putting off.
It has served to remind me to upgrade from a Pi2 Retropie, something I've been meaning to do for awhile, but keep putting off.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
I'm not planning on getting a raspberry pi anytime soon but I've bought tons of snes games, and VC games at least twice thanks to Nintendo's shitty policies.
Now they pull this shit with t he nes and snes classic, I have no problem with people using a Pi to have a single system to play their games.
Now they pull this shit with t he nes and snes classic, I have no problem with people using a Pi to have a single system to play their games.
I have a similar one for my 3b
I always knew Nintendo would make like 500 SNES classics so the price would go up and then they could sell them for hundreds of dollars each on eBay
Maybe not the proper thread, but what are the logistics of modding a SNES to output HDMI? Is it even possible? The CRT I stole from the neighbor's trash stopped working (guess it was there for a reason), so I have no means of hooking it up anymore. I'd love to do a side to side to side comparison between it, the SNES classic, and the Retropie.
polyh3dron
Banned
A Pi probably emulates the NES better than the NES Classic does. That thing's audio is so thin sounding, and the sync is fucked too.
There's no mod like that available yet. Best way would be to get a RGB SCART cable for it and hook it up to a Framemeister or OSSC.
funkystudent
Member
Not really. I am fine with PC / Android based amulators.
If Nintendo doesnt want my money its their problem.
If Nintendo doesnt want my money its their problem.
This. Getting these 20 games legit would be way more expensive than the SNES Classic, and that's before you factor in the hardware cost and the effort to put it all together.
Why is it bullshit to charge people money to play their games on different systems?
They made the games (in most instances) so they get to decide how it is sold.
If you don't like the business model you are free to criticize it (and you can definitely bitch if you could not get a classic when you wanted one), but I am not sure about giving the green light for piracy if you don't like their business practices.
Honestly with Steam, Nintendo VC, PSN etc it seems like it is easier than it has ever been to play these games.
I never played a NES Classic but the lag is horrible on the Pi for NES games so I am skeptical of that claim that it is better emulation (though it might be true because I certainly did not test them both).
I might be extra sensitive to it because I spent 2 billion hours on NES games but they felt horrible to play on the Pi. To the point where I stopped using it. Which is a shame because as I have said multiple times the games looked beautiful on the HDTV with whatever the Pi is doing to them.
BolognaOni
Member
Yep, adding an HDMI output requires synchronized analog to digital conversion and scaling, preferably with minimal processing delay. Definitely qualifies as non-trivial, and certainly requires a dedicated circuit board, so at that point it's going to get done as a separate box.
OSSC is essentially the "mod" for this, so far as it's a community developed product. Framemeister is the commercial option.
SinCityAssassin
Member
I already got my own Retro Pi, the problem is I want to buy this for the family to use and the familiarity of this sort of product is what appeals to them because they have absolutely no interest in using my Pi. Same with the NES Classic.
Similar threads
- Locked