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Too Human Coverage April/13/07 (post #922+ for reactions)
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Wooooo, finally we get to see too human!!!
1) Game looks great and cutscenes seems very nice, a little jerky perhaps, but that'll be polished out or it's the video.
2) I dislike the camera, it's not particularly far away, but for some reason it feels like it's a million miles away, very disorientating.
3) Combat looks naff. It just doesn't look like combat... errrr, it feels very disconnected, like your on auto pilot or something. I really can't put my finger on it... like... maybe it's the awkards animations, the character doesn't really move, he's stiff and his arm flails, but his body doesn't really... maybe that's why. I don't get the sense, that the character is affecting the fight, like I said, autopilot.
4) My "Onimusha (Shin) + Soul Reaver = Too Human" original guess seems pretty spot on, I think.
How are aerial melee attacks done, then? Press a then jiggle the right stick? Or is it automated like DMC, GoW, etc?
1) Game looks great and cutscenes seems very nice, a little jerky perhaps, but that'll be polished out or it's the video.
2) I dislike the camera, it's not particularly far away, but for some reason it feels like it's a million miles away, very disorientating.
3) Combat looks naff. It just doesn't look like combat... errrr, it feels very disconnected, like your on auto pilot or something. I really can't put my finger on it... like... maybe it's the awkards animations, the character doesn't really move, he's stiff and his arm flails, but his body doesn't really... maybe that's why. I don't get the sense, that the character is affecting the fight, like I said, autopilot.
4) My "Onimusha (Shin) + Soul Reaver = Too Human" original guess seems pretty spot on, I think.
Treo360 said:
How are aerial melee attacks done, then? Press a then jiggle the right stick? Or is it automated like DMC, GoW, etc?
Grimm Fandango
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Tieno said:
I suppose. Maybe it's the armor in particular. It just doesn't fit in IMO...
bah, I'm tired. Off to bed finally.
Vrolokus said:
Yeah this is my first and hopefully only IGN weekly and I figured i was the only one who noticed. I assume its trying to turn her being a 7/10 into a 10/10 gaming goddess the same lame way that kristin holt does with that ridiculous makeup.
Even if its not fast paced, why walk so ****ing slow? EDF2017 had you moving this slow, I know I'm not the only one who turned to the side and rolled all the time. i dont want to have to do that and miss out on all these graphics just because the walking speed is too slow.
First time watching -- looking mostly at the visuals which are very nice, clean. Looks like a subtle use of depth of field is in use too. I like it.
Second time watching I listened to what they were saying a little more. Beyond just how it looks it sounds like a really fun game.
+4 player co-op
+character classes
+skill trees
+item gathering/collecting
+epic items/trading items with friends
+long story arc/keep your character into the next games
If the action elements work well enough, and the camera system is as good as they say, it could turn out really, really well.
Second time watching I listened to what they were saying a little more. Beyond just how it looks it sounds like a really fun game.
+4 player co-op
+character classes
+skill trees
+item gathering/collecting
+epic items/trading items with friends
+long story arc/keep your character into the next games
If the action elements work well enough, and the camera system is as good as they say, it could turn out really, really well.
Hmmm, I watched it the first time and just didn't get it. Maybe because I had it full screened. The second time, I "got" it, but I also realized why I didn't get it the first time: the animations are so terrible that it's hard to look past them. This game will live and die by it's animations. The story is there, the graphics are KIND of there (really on/off), the presentation is close to there (animations are part of presentation), but the animations aren't even close to where they need to be. If this game wants to be cool, it HAS to have cool animations or else it will just fall flat. It is plain and simple. What happened to Denis not showing the game until it was completely finished? Isn't that what he was ranting about? Are we to assume that the final game will be close to these horrendous animations (both movement AND combat)? I sure hope not. I see so much potential if they can just get that one HUGE thing right. Also, I wish they would go back and completely redo the art style. The textures/light reflections look slick, but I just don't like the faces and body archetypes. So much better can be done. Oh well. I'm not jumping out of my seat, but an eyebrow has been raised. I'll keep an eye out, but I wouldn't go out to buy it yet based on it's look as of now (story kind of compels me though). I don't see the "it" that should be here yet. Maybe at it's next presentation, it will have that wow-factor. For now though, interesting vision.
QVT said:
I saw her in person at E32006, and believe me: she's frigging hot. But the weird wiggle thing she does when she's talking... it was like what those girls do in the late-night adult chat line commercials. "Omigod, like, call us right now, because we're about to get our rocks off just by humping the couch!"
Heh I do that too (the sideways rolling thing). :lol
Graphics, art, and concept are fricking amazing.
But man, that combat looks fricking horrible.
This reminds me of when Jade Empire was coming out, and the developers talked about how "inspired" they were by Japanese fighting games. We all know how that combat system system turned out.
Also, having the melee assigned to an analog stick is really, really dumb. I can't think of any game that's ever been fluid and responsive with your Main Attack assigned to an analog stick.
In any case, I hope that they improve the combat and the animations. No warping around to attack characters, please. Let's see characters with some weight to them, let's see some fluid, realistic physics, not enemies floating like paper in the air, waiting to get smacked around.
They're shooting for the stars, comparing their game to Diablo and Lord of the Rings... wow. I guess we'll see when the demo arrives.
But man, that combat looks fricking horrible.
This reminds me of when Jade Empire was coming out, and the developers talked about how "inspired" they were by Japanese fighting games. We all know how that combat system system turned out.
Also, having the melee assigned to an analog stick is really, really dumb. I can't think of any game that's ever been fluid and responsive with your Main Attack assigned to an analog stick.
In any case, I hope that they improve the combat and the animations. No warping around to attack characters, please. Let's see characters with some weight to them, let's see some fluid, realistic physics, not enemies floating like paper in the air, waiting to get smacked around.
They're shooting for the stars, comparing their game to Diablo and Lord of the Rings... wow. I guess we'll see when the demo arrives.
Looks good so far.
+ Music is awesome.
+ Visuals are high quality.
+ Great Art
+ RPG elements.
+ Open World with lots of exploration.
- Combat looks a little weak, although that might be the animation flaws hurting it.
- Can't stand the circles and target icons coming up all over the place in combat.
- Animation is really stiff and jerky.
- Framerate is kind of low (I'm sure this'll be fixed though).
I think Too Human will end up being a good game, hopefully things come together in the final few months. It reminds me of Soul Reaver way more than anything like DMC, NG, or GoW.
+ Music is awesome.
+ Visuals are high quality.
+ Great Art
+ RPG elements.
+ Open World with lots of exploration.
- Combat looks a little weak, although that might be the animation flaws hurting it.
- Can't stand the circles and target icons coming up all over the place in combat.
- Animation is really stiff and jerky.
- Framerate is kind of low (I'm sure this'll be fixed though).
I think Too Human will end up being a good game, hopefully things come together in the final few months. It reminds me of Soul Reaver way more than anything like DMC, NG, or GoW.
Vrolokus said:
It WILL! I see what they want to do, but it is just NOT going to be a cohesive package unless those animations are liquid-fluid. If the animations were flowing and really accentuating what it was like for him to be slashing his sword around as he zips with that machine quality from enemy to enemy, the game would be REALLY something for everyone to look out for. It is like the simple glue that is missing from the entire presentation. It's like building a ginger-bread house without the materials that actually hold it together. You see the shape and what it SHOULD look like, but it just doesn't look solid and stand out yet. The animations would flesh everything out. Go back and watch those tech demo videos of what the animation in Too Human SHOULD look like. The ones where a guy is just standing in a room doing some kata with different weapons. That looked cool. Why do you think Ninja Gaiden still stands to be possibly the greatest action game ever made? Because it makes you feel like an actual Ninja by playing like BUTTER.
QVT said:
Exactly... I mean what game has ever "lived or died" due to something like animation? Too Human will succeed or fail based on the broad sorts of things that normally affect the success or failure of an action RPG: graphics, controls, story, audio... etc. Big picture stuff.
Does anyone else feel like they don't know that much more about the game? I feel I have a better picture of how it will look, but what the actual gameplay is like is still a bit of a mystery to me.
KTallguy said:
I'm not talking about lowered standards, I'm talking about you can walk THROUGH people. Bboy said it would live or die just by the animations. What about KOTORs animations?
I mean, if it was a Ninja Gaiden esque game then it would matter more(NG is my favorite game as well, for the silkness), but if that is what the biggest complaint is, then Dyack did ok.
Even if you don't play it, 8 million do. Fancy internet engrish doesn't fix that, either.
I'd like to also bring up Kingdom Hearts here. What about that combat system? People still liked the game.
goldenpp72
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world of warcraft is an old MMORPG in which not being able to walk through people would be odd, I think we need to have a bigger standard for a more condensed action/rpg with only a few characters being playable at the same time.
I think the worst thing right now is not knowing the date, the date and some commentary on what improvements they are planning would really, really make me happy
I think the worst thing right now is not knowing the date, the date and some commentary on what improvements they are planning would really, really make me happy
goldenpp72 said:world of warcraft is an old MMORPG in which not being able to walk through people would be odd, I think we need have a bigger standard for a more condensed action/rpg with only a few characters being playable at the same time.
I think the worst thing right now is not knowing the date, the date and some commentary on what improvements they are planning would really, really make me happy
WoW wasn't a game comparision, it was in response to live or die by the animations.
The better comparisions are Kingdom Hearts and KOTOR, both action RPGs.
I watched the trailer, and the game does have a very convincing look.
However, the combat looks really "blurry", not really organized like in world of warcraft.
I hope it doesn't end up like Marvel Ultimate Alliance, where you had coop, but it was just a mindless hack fest, with no crowd control, no management of the monsters' target (aggro management to speak mmo language) and no healing.
This really could ruin the game in coop for me.
However, the combat looks really "blurry", not really organized like in world of warcraft.
I hope it doesn't end up like Marvel Ultimate Alliance, where you had coop, but it was just a mindless hack fest, with no crowd control, no management of the monsters' target (aggro management to speak mmo language) and no healing.
This really could ruin the game in coop for me.
goldenpp72
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kotor doesn't allow you to jump or even really do actions on your own, kingdom hearts is a more fair example but.. that's a ps2 game and hardly regaurded as something that changed the way we think about games.
This game needs to work out any and all kinks that are this blatant if it hopes to achieve 'amazing' status, as it is now, it looks like a game id tread through for the awesome scenery and plot, but the combat would hopefully be a big draw of the game as well.
This game needs to work out any and all kinks that are this blatant if it hopes to achieve 'amazing' status, as it is now, it looks like a game id tread through for the awesome scenery and plot, but the combat would hopefully be a big draw of the game as well.
Thunderbear
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QVT said:
Kingdom Heart's animation shits all over Too Human. It doesn't have a deep fighting system but animation wise you can't even compare them.
And your World of Warcraft comparison doesn't work for me either. It doesn't pretend to be anything other than a MMORPG. Too Human is pretending to have a great combat system (often spoken about) and it looks horreondous at the moment.
WOW.
This game looks pretty amazing right now. The combat animations don't look too smooth like God of War, but I'm alright with that. I didn't know this was more of a RPG with different classes and talent trees, and loot ala World of Warcraft. Kinda reminds me of the old PSO. Did they say there was additional side quests and missions? I hope this game excels because co-op with something like this would be Too Cool.
This game looks pretty amazing right now. The combat animations don't look too smooth like God of War, but I'm alright with that. I didn't know this was more of a RPG with different classes and talent trees, and loot ala World of Warcraft. Kinda reminds me of the old PSO. Did they say there was additional side quests and missions? I hope this game excels because co-op with something like this would be Too Cool.
BboyDubC said:
Well yeah, the combat in zelda looks smoother and has way more fluidity, but this game obviously has tons of moves and you can do a lot more stuff.
My main point was that the combat is not looking good enough to carry the game as an action title, but it might be good enough for an action/RPG or an adventure title. Even jade empire was almost good enough, it just needed a few tweaks. This looks better than jade empire's combat.
It all depends on how much time i'm going to be spending in battle. If i'm constantly assaulted by 100's of enemies all through the game, then this combat doesn't look like it will be sufficient.
If the game is paced more like jade empire then this might even be above and beyond what you would normaly expect in the combat catagory.
Krowley said:
Am I the only one that was actually listening to him talk? He said he wanted to take the Japanese way of doing combat/action, and compared his game to DMC, while keeping the Western way of STORYTELLING. In other words, he wants his game to play like those cool Japanese action titles (DMC, NG), and it is FAR from that. This is an action game. Why kid yourself. Sure you are doing other things like doing intel with spiders and what not, but when has the game shown ANYTHING other than fighting at it's center? If it was a KOTOR style game we would have seen that by now. Call it what it is. It is what he's shown. It is meant to be an action game that is COOL. He clearly wants it to be that style, but it is far from there now. Even if it only wanted to be an "action/rpg" like Jade Empire. It is freakin NEXT GEN. Animations being fluid are NEXT GEN (which makes Ninja Gaiden games far ahead of their time). Last gen we only had a few gems. In next gen, nice animations should be STANDARD.
MrSardonic
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:lol IGN had to include a ****ing disclaimer.
The game looks so mediocre from a gameplay perspective.
Looks like they spent too much time obsessing about "film" and "adaptive camera" and forgot to make the gameplay compelling. Oh well, maybe someone can cannibalise or improve on the idea behind the camera system.
The game looks so mediocre from a gameplay perspective.
Looks like they spent too much time obsessing about "film" and "adaptive camera" and forgot to make the gameplay compelling. Oh well, maybe someone can cannibalise or improve on the idea behind the camera system.
Krowley said:
I agree with your post. I was just trying to find something to compare the game to earlier but there aren't really many titles that people know. There are a lot of obscure things which have bad animation in the final game, though.
Its sorta like DoA versus Tekken. DoA is much more fluid, but Tekken is the better game(please don't try and debate that :lol )
BboyDubC said:
Indeed!!
They all talked about how to string combos and all that stuff, so in a way they DO consciously want to be in the footpath of heavy action genre such as DMC and NG. And yet what they've shown us that it's just a B-class action game.
Maybe they should start advertising the game exclusively as an RPG from now on, forget about mentioning combos/DMC/GOW entirely. Because as soon as you mention those type of games, people expectations are in line with the standards those games have set
BboyDubC said:
Well i'm not going to damage control for it... I just don't know... he also says that it's not like god of war and that it's more of an RPG. If it's as much of an action game as you seem to expect, then this combat might be a bit of a problem... At least it doesn't look as fun as other games in that genre..
:lol nahh i have no opinion on tekken vs DOA... i'll take you're word for it.
Also to everybody.. I watched the video again and i have to say that people earlier in the thread are right. The combat does look better on the second viewing for some reason. I think it still looks problematic, but it looked relativley fun and i started noticing little things and a certain sense of organization about it.
MrSardonic said:
Fixed.
Next-gen BASIC standards even call for better looking stuff than that. Gears has big, blocky, husky men, yet they still animate well, show their weight, slam into cover, shift with power, etc. All of the sports games are showing smooth animations this gen, pretty much every game. This game has the worst looking movement/combat of this gen, and even compared to most games LAST gen.
I wanted to say that earlier but was afraid I'd sound like I was trolling. Seriously, it seems like the concept of Untold (combat, co-op, online, rpg element/leveling, exploring, classes, etc) in the future but with better graphics and a much bigger budget.KennyL said:
Thunderbear
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Fredrik said:
I'm the opposite... I can't think of a game that I like that has bad animations.
See the distinction to me is simple animations are fine, bad aren't. These are trying to be Ninja Gaiden or Devil May Cry (which they keep referring to in the interview) and it's nowhere near that. Reason I feel so strongly about it is that I want to like this game, but if the animations stay the way they are, I am staying away from it.
Pope Benedict XVI
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Looks really great to me. Although I cringed when one of the characters refers to another one as "first wolf" in his best i'm-a-bad-ass voice. That just made me a bit worried that the dialogue might have a rubbishy fantasy fan-fic style to it. On the other hand, the norse mythology stuff and the music gives me a lot of hope that it will be fine
GHG said:I'm impressed. I don't even know what all the fuss about the animations is about, they don't look that bad. They're fine IMO. Everybody just expects HS animations these days, and you know that isn't gonna happen
This is next-gen. It SHOULD be happening. It was even happening last-gen. We don't need HS level animations, but it isn't even matching the animations of games like Zelda, KH, and other basic platformers. With the types of combos/movements he's doing, you NEED smooth, buttery animations to connect them to make it look cool, or the combat just falls flat on its face (like it does in the video).
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