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Too Human Coverage April/13/07 (post #922+ for reactions)
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I just watched the video and the graphics are amazing!
+RPG Elements
+UE3 Engine worthy graphics
+Deep Storyline
+Cinematic Camera Angles/Cutscenes.
+Various types of armor/classes.
+4 player ONLINE Co-Op Over XBL
+Jump Button unlike HS
-Some hiccups in frame-rates but it will surely be fixed
Too Human is still my top 4 most wanted game of the year along with Mass Effect, Halo 3 and Forza 2.
I can't wait to try out the demo all we need are demo and TH release dates!
+RPG Elements
+UE3 Engine worthy graphics
+Deep Storyline
+Cinematic Camera Angles/Cutscenes.
+Various types of armor/classes.
+4 player ONLINE Co-Op Over XBL
+Jump Button unlike HS
-Some hiccups in frame-rates but it will surely be fixed
Too Human is still my top 4 most wanted game of the year along with Mass Effect, Halo 3 and Forza 2.
I can't wait to try out the demo all we need are demo and TH release dates!
Ok, the graphics look great and they fixed the camera.
I'm not sold on the gameplay yet. The combat looks very amateur.
The environments, while looking good, look so empty and bare.
When I think of a next gen beat-em up, i would think of amounts of environmental destruction not possible on the previous generation.
Static environments just don't appeal to me.
I'm not sold on the gameplay yet. The combat looks very amateur.
The environments, while looking good, look so empty and bare.
When I think of a next gen beat-em up, i would think of amounts of environmental destruction not possible on the previous generation.
Static environments just don't appeal to me.
as usual, I am going to have to point to the freakin' obvious:
so everybody complaining about those details on animations, details, framerate, keep that in mind.
too human is looking to be a great game!
4 player online co-op with rpg elements and trade between my company and stuff is looking very great in my book!
plus I really like the art style.
so everybody complaining about those details on animations, details, framerate, keep that in mind.
too human is looking to be a great game!
4 player online co-op with rpg elements and trade between my company and stuff is looking very great in my book!
plus I really like the art style.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
The animators should play God of War 2 STAT.
vspectra06 said:
Anyone want to play Guess the God? Baldur we already know, and I'm thinking that the dude in the back is Thor (he had a huge hammer in the scene where he tosses Mimir's head to Baldur plus the reddish hair and moustache). I'd also guess that the one next to Baldur might be Odin (because of these pictures).
What he said.DenogginizerOS said:
I also think the game should not have guns in the same manner as Devil May Cry. It just doesn't look right having this futuristic looking setting, and a dude firing guns exactly like Dante does. It should just be changed to a laser weapon of some kind.
Well the Combat is still pretty bad. (It even has the Devil May Cry Double Gun thing)
I dont see why it cant be compared to those games with better combat. Having "RPG Elements" doesnt excuse it from having crappy combat.
One of the other guys interviewed describes it as an "Action Adventure with RPG elements" Not an RPG with Real Time Combat.
Hopefully they fix the frame rate and add aditional frames of combat animation cause everything else looks pretty good
I dont see why it cant be compared to those games with better combat. Having "RPG Elements" doesnt excuse it from having crappy combat.
One of the other guys interviewed describes it as an "Action Adventure with RPG elements" Not an RPG with Real Time Combat.
Hopefully they fix the frame rate and add aditional frames of combat animation cause everything else looks pretty good
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
World of Warcraft has better animations.
And when I think of Norse mythology, I don't think of gunplay. :lol
And when I think of Norse mythology, I don't think of gunplay. :lol
Well, just watched the footage. Dude this just shot way up my list, amazing, simply amazing. The storyline, graphics, this whole package is going to suck me in I can just tell it now. More discussion on the loot system, epic drops. I foresee big things for this trilogy.
Job well done SK, an amazing improvement from a year ago. I'm certain you guys will iron out any remaining issues.
Want a release date stat, peace.
Job well done SK, an amazing improvement from a year ago. I'm certain you guys will iron out any remaining issues.
Want a release date stat, peace.
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1) it looks *alot* better than what was previously shown.
2) like someone suggested, they should consider changing the bullet guns to cool energy based guns that have nice sound effects and visual effects
3) tighten up the animations of main character (more realistic flow and attacks) and of the enemies. Combat *has* to be at least as good as the God of War games to truly make this game feel like something special (easier said than done).
4) tighten up framerate and add more details and "WOW" effects all over
5) make the RPG aspects deep, yet as user-friendly as possible. This is the perfect game to help bring non-hardcore RPG gamers into RPG gaming by walking them through it in an easy manner and truly rewarding them with new abilities and strengths at each level up.
6) add in a ton of cool weapons and enhancements and some hidden or hard to find ones like Diablo is well-known for
7) make the world more living + breathing with more NPC's who chatter and walk around realistically
8) add in some cool abilities later in the game that players can't wait to get to. For example, one of the classes could gain the ability to permanently hover around at will rather than walk.
9) Polish, polish, polish. What do all the great games have in common? Polish. God of War, Halo, RE4, Gears, Ninja Gaiden... etc. All had unbelievable levels of polish and just felt "right". If this game doesn't feel "right" (e.g. like perfect dark zero, advent rising, etc.) I'd rather have a AAA game in january '08 than a pretty good game in august '07...
2) like someone suggested, they should consider changing the bullet guns to cool energy based guns that have nice sound effects and visual effects
3) tighten up the animations of main character (more realistic flow and attacks) and of the enemies. Combat *has* to be at least as good as the God of War games to truly make this game feel like something special (easier said than done).
4) tighten up framerate and add more details and "WOW" effects all over
5) make the RPG aspects deep, yet as user-friendly as possible. This is the perfect game to help bring non-hardcore RPG gamers into RPG gaming by walking them through it in an easy manner and truly rewarding them with new abilities and strengths at each level up.
6) add in a ton of cool weapons and enhancements and some hidden or hard to find ones like Diablo is well-known for
7) make the world more living + breathing with more NPC's who chatter and walk around realistically
8) add in some cool abilities later in the game that players can't wait to get to. For example, one of the classes could gain the ability to permanently hover around at will rather than walk.
9) Polish, polish, polish. What do all the great games have in common? Polish. God of War, Halo, RE4, Gears, Ninja Gaiden... etc. All had unbelievable levels of polish and just felt "right". If this game doesn't feel "right" (e.g. like perfect dark zero, advent rising, etc.) I'd rather have a AAA game in january '08 than a pretty good game in august '07...
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
open_mouth_ said:
ding ding ding
Unless they have a much better build that they haven't shown, this game is far from ready.
:lol60_gig_PS3 said:
What is wrong with some of you? I was reading all the comments on here, and it totally killed my hype for this game and I actually expecting to see what some people are saying on this board. After watching the video I must say I am fairly convinced GAF is LOOKING for crap to bitch about. Thank GOD!
GAF: Poor framerate, Bad Animation
Reality: Movie starts: " Too Human Is a Work in Progress. Everything You Are About to See is Running in Real-Time on the Xbox 360. NOTE: Many Optimizations Will Continue to be Made to the Framerate, Textures, Animations, Audio, Etc."
As usual GAF ignores "little things" like this.
GAF: Combat looks slow and boring.
Reality: It's about half a step slower than Ninja Gaiden and DMC, the fastest action games of last generation....and this is an RPG. For example: First scene of combat shows the main character do a 2 hit combo with a sword to a guy that throws him up in the air, then jumps up does a juggle on him in the air that sends him flying 20 feet back, then switches to guns mid-air, turns around, aims and fires at 3 other enemies on the ground BEFORE the player even touches the ground. All this happens in ONE second. The character also has the ability to dash, just like in Ninja Gaiden in a matter of a milisecond from one area of the screen to another. Not only am I going to say some people are smoking crack, I'm also going to say there is no other action rpg out there that has combat that looks ANYWHERE near the combat in TOO HUMAN. PSO, Diablo, Fable....etc....look like snails compared to this game and THOSE looks boring. This looks welll....like DMC.
Other things worth noting: The opening scene has the best tree I've ever seen in a videogame. The atmoshphere is incredible, from the graphics, art style settings to the music. The part where the girl tells him "it's just a handshake" send chills down my spine.
Shadowrun fans. You can rest easy. Now I understand why Shadowrun is a fps. Too Human WILL satisfy all of you Shadowrun next gen needs. Yeah the elfs are missing from what I saw but all the cyernetic upgrades, magic and futuristic weapons and settings are here with combat that puts any other action RPG to date to shame.
Camera system. Look incredible. Hope it really pans out like they wanted to. It's got a camera that enters a cinematic mode triggered by certain spots you in a particular area. It showed the pack of characters going around a corner into a tunnel. The camera actually pans back by itself, allows for a really cool view of the characters taking the corner, then zooms back in. It sounds like you could probably hit a button and pull the camera back into normal position instantly when you needed it you don't want it to do this, but from what I saw, it's something like the one in Sonic Adventure and Ninja Gaiden, but much less erratic, and seems to work. Another scene shows the camera getting to these three LOTR-type stone statues. The camera pans around to the front of the statues and circles them to give you a view of the area.
Scale. Scale, scale, scale. The environments are freaking HUGE and scale up and down an incredible amount.
Awesome character design. I so wanna be the guy with fur that rips heads.
Finally: 4-player co-op
PSU can go to hell.
Seriously folks, those of you that have been detracted by some of the comments on this board, please don't. Go watch the video. You'll say wow. Dennis, I am a believer. When is this coming out?
S8 RoXoRz said:
I'm not so sure. I think that this dude is Loki. His design could have changed, of course. And of course he could have more than one look.
mambadragon
Banned
According to SK, this game is a mix of God of War, Devil May Cry, Diablo 2, World of Warcraft, and the Lord of the Rings movies.
I'm surprised they didn't add in boobs and Jesus while they're at it.
I'm surprised they didn't add in boobs and Jesus while they're at it.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
njp142 said:
Well. Some may say that Denis thinks he is Jesus when in reality he is a boob. :lol
I really like how enthusiastic the developers are. It makes me really want to see this game do well. I can't say I'm the biggest fan of their charcter designs so far, but I'm usually not a fan of western character design anyway. (Like in Oblivion, for example, the character seem to be too stiff for me.) I have no idea if the gameplay will be as good as they say, butI sure do hope so.
4 player co-op sounds great, and I can only hope the game surpasses Phantasy Star Universe. We need more 4 player co-op games. If they could include splitscreen 4 player like in the old PSO, I'd be very happy.
4 player co-op sounds great, and I can only hope the game surpasses Phantasy Star Universe. We need more 4 player co-op games. If they could include splitscreen 4 player like in the old PSO, I'd be very happy.
AltogetherAndrews
Member
I guess it's pretty in the way we've come to expect from mid-level next-gen games, but I kind of wish these developers would focus a bit more on making the animation pleasant to watch. Maybe they move in a realistic way, but then perhaps realism is not the best choice when it comes to action games. Not too fond of the human character models either, but I think that's just SK design style that I happen to disagree with so I'm not going to get hung up on that. Nice music though.
"Theres a reason why were making a trilogy, Huge huge worlds."
SK confirmation that Bluray is needed?
Can anyone explain to me whats the deal with the story? I havent followed this game at all so all Im seeing are Nordic gods set in the future using guns. I mean is this even based on earth or...what?
SK confirmation that Bluray is needed?
kidding
Can anyone explain to me whats the deal with the story? I havent followed this game at all so all Im seeing are Nordic gods set in the future using guns. I mean is this even based on earth or...what?
jett said:
Criticize it all you want, but fyi, when a preview starts up and has a notice about frame rate and animation, and how it's going to be optimized, and then people bitch about how the frame rate and animation needs to be optimized, it's not the game that looks bad, it's the people that look like dumb-asses.
My impression was that they seem to have spent a lot of time on the mythology and cutscenes, and not a lot of time on the combat or animation. That seems to be the company's modus operandi though -- production values over gameplay.
For all the hubub about the cinematic camera, it is a straight-up over-the-shoulder cam 90% of the time. To me, that feels like a pretty big step backwards. I hate over-the-shoulder for beat-em-up gameplay, and the likes of God of War and DMC have proven the effectiveness of a less character-focused, more pulled-back camera.
For all the hubub about the cinematic camera, it is a straight-up over-the-shoulder cam 90% of the time. To me, that feels like a pretty big step backwards. I hate over-the-shoulder for beat-em-up gameplay, and the likes of God of War and DMC have proven the effectiveness of a less character-focused, more pulled-back camera.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
If you look at youtube videos of God of War and God of War 2, the animation just shreds Too Human's animation. Granted, this Too Human preview video is of an unfinished build and Denis said blah blah blah BUT if you are going to promote your game as something that gamer's haven't seen before, your alpha build should at least look like something gamer's have seen before.
Denis Dyack
Banned
It looks like my job is done here. I am glad many seemed to like what they have seen so far and interest has been peaked. I will be posting more at IGN and TooHuman.net (now that new 3.0 site is going to be up soon - it looks really nice and the forums are much improved - Those really interested in Too Human should check it out - Hannar and Mocheeze really have it together). Together with the IGN , they started asking questions that dug very deep - which is where SK likes to put gold. Matt's coverage of the game next week will be substantial - this was a teaser to set up for next week. I am very much looking forward to hear what he has to say as he as actually played.
We of course listen to all the comments, especially ones the gameplay. Please keep in mind that in games like Diablo or Titans Quest (both of which i like very much), the gameplay revolves around a single mouse click for combat and we do feel we are making significant advances compared to that. We are not trying to be like DMC or GOW2 - and we really love those games too!
It is always difficult to understand how a game plays without actually playing it (one would think this obvious but this is unfortunately not case today). This was why I have been so critical of the process of E3 where most games were not played. We don't want anyone to say Too Human is the best game ever by looking at this video. If we have caught you interest then we have done our job. Try to remember that at least we are letting the people play Too Human, and I can assure you that this is very rare.
We always try to offer something new in each game we create and feel we will deliver the goods with Too Human. I hope you enjoy the rest that it to come and the game when it is finally released.
Denis
We of course listen to all the comments, especially ones the gameplay. Please keep in mind that in games like Diablo or Titans Quest (both of which i like very much), the gameplay revolves around a single mouse click for combat and we do feel we are making significant advances compared to that
. We are not trying to be like DMC or GOW2 - and we really love those games too! It is always difficult to understand how a game plays without actually playing it (one would think this obvious but this is unfortunately not case today). This was why I have been so critical of the process of E3 where most games were not played. We don't want anyone to say Too Human is the best game ever by looking at this video. If we have caught you interest then we have done our job. Try to remember that at least we are letting the people play Too Human, and I can assure you that this is very rare.
We always try to offer something new in each game we create and feel we will deliver the goods with Too Human. I hope you enjoy the rest that it to come and the game when it is finally released.
Denis
AltogetherAndrews
Member
Denis Dyack said:
Oh I'm sure you are. Nothing wrong with that preview coverage, is there? :lol
Confidence Man
Member
jimbo said:
Animation doesn't look like it's been improved much if at all in the year since it was shown last. Doesn't give one a lot of hope that another six months of "optimization" are suddenly going to turn this jittery, choppy moving combat system into a ballet.
border said:
Excellent!
And what movie are you watching? Pretty much all the combat I saw the camera IS pulled back. Besides, that's not even the point. The point is, you actually DO NOT control the camera. Unlike those other games, everything you saw in this video is the camera managing itself. The right analog stick is used for combat. Let me say this again: there is no camera micro-management.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Denis Dyack said:
I know I have been giving you a hard time in this thread, but I also want to commend you on Too Human. It is very hard to take on such a large project with so many gameplay elements and not have fans of the various genres feel a little underwhelmed when they don't see things they expect from those genres (i.e. animation in an action game on par with GoW2). However, if you can pull it off, I think the Frankenstein assembly of all these genres could create a wonderfully unque experience that will drive gamers to try it out. I fear the monster that this game could become, but on the other hand if care and devotion crafts this game into an entirely unque entity, then gamers will be grateful to you and your team.
Dot50Cal said:
Just my speculation, but I'll spoiler tag it just in case someone doesn't want to know.
I think that the last game will feature Ragnarök in some form and then end in the "rebirth" of the world with most of the gods and their lore gone. Seeing how they just fought a war against cyborgs and whatnot, they'll probably steer clear of technology.
DenogginizerOS said:
The game looks quite good, but what the hell is up with that character animation, especially when in battle? There's no weight to the actual battle sequences. They may LOOK cool, but the character looks like he's just swinging around a stick. He SHOULD be looking like he's this big strong badass who is just pummeling the crap out of the enemies around him. Instead he looks like this.
Besides that... It's lookin niiiiiiice. My excitement for this game is back.
What "other games" are you playing? God of War and DMC feature little-to-no camera management at all. They have a more cinematic camera that uses basically no over-the-shoulder stuff. God of War even does the "it zooms in when you enter melee combat" thing that they are touting in the video (with the right analog stick used for evasion, NOT camera control).jimbo said:
Router said:Unless you press the back button.
And that is exactly WHY it's on the BACK button.
Do you guys even watch these videos? Seriously. I've already stated above that you can stop the camera from its cinematic mode if you want to and pull it back in. Your post pretty much confirms that there is no camera micro-management.
Denis Dyack said:It looks like my job is done here. I am glad many seemed to like what they have seen so far and interest has been peaked. I will be posting more at IGN and TooHuman.net (now that new 3.0 site is going to be up soon - it looks really nice and the forums are much improved - Those really interested in Too Human should check it out - Hannar and Mocheeze really have it together). Together with the IGN , they started asking questions that dug very deep - which is where SK likes to put gold. Matt's coverage of the game next week will be substantial - this was a teaser to set up for next week. I am very much looking forward to hear what he has to say as he as actually played.
We of course listen to all the comments, especially ones the gameplay. Please keep in mind that in games like Diablo or Titans Quest (both of which i like very much), the gameplay revolves around a single mouse click for combat and we do feel we are making significant advances compared to that
It is always difficult to understand how a game plays without actually playing it (one would think this obvious but this is unfortunately not case today). This was why I have been so critical of the process of E3 where most games were not played. We don't want anyone to say Too Human is the best game ever by looking at this video. If we have caught you interest then we have done our job. Try to remember that at least we are letting the people play Too Human, and I can assure you that this is very rare.
We always try to offer something new in each game we create and feel we will deliver the goods with Too Human. I hope you enjoy the rest that it to come and the game when it is finally released.
Denis
Job well done sir, job well done. The hard work is showing and I simply cannot wait.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Well, it does look pretty interesting, except for the combat. The animations need to be fixed. Why are people being so defensive about that fact? We know its an unfinished build. People should take it as constructive criticism and move the hell on. The guy looks like he using telekinesis or some shit. This is a next gen game, and the quality of the animation looks worse than some of the stuff we saw last gen, when they were in their unfinished states.
Aside from that, I'm digging just about everything else.
Aside from that, I'm digging just about everything else.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Goreomedy said:
Thank you. I will most definitely be in your party of 4. Hopefully, Too Human will yield the co-op experience we were hoping for with Crackdown.
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