Schadenfreude
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Speaking of KlK (again), when are we getting the "Don't lose your May" subtitle, seda? This one is ticking me off. I hate seeing sloppy/unfunny subtitles.
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Go to figure-gaf, and understand that money isn't an issue for who they are targeting
mightynine
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Because at that price, you don't need a lot of sales to make money.
The part after Satsuki betrayed the mom, she tried to fight her 1 on 1 and was stopped mid tracks with one hand on her throat and another down there. I remember it being random as hell and stupid to begin with. Then the same happened when Ryuko was under mind control
Could be wrong but I remember it was something "off" like that. Unnecessary bth
Like I said, those shots could just be edited out, replaced with a previous establishing shot or something. It doesn't seem too terribly difficult. The hardest might be the start of episode 21.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
What? Satsuki's mom straight
felt her up in the pool and touched her private areas
molestation
Satsuki
EDIT: Thinking about it now, this is just as fucked up as what we saw in SAO. Not sure why KLK gets a free pass here.
Schadenfreude
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No, he's pretty much right.
Nope, that how they pretty much play out, with
the last one with Ryuuko being the most explicit of the 3.
Heh, your mind probably blocked out the memory. Those moments were so shocking and unexpected.
The worst being the beginning of episode 21 which is literally
Raygo, a mind altered Ryuko and Nui having a three way grind session in the buff as a metaphor for dressing Ryuko in Junketsu. It's meant to show how much of an inhuman evil bitch Raygo is.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
It's okay, your brain probably suppressed those sick scenes. I've said it once but I'll say it again, I'm not sure how KLK gets a pass when it comes to creepy
rape/molestation
BTW, your avi is awesome haha
I think most of the GAF community was creeped out by the whole thing in KLK as well, it just seems like there was a bigger reaction here because of the live watch of SAO. I remember a lot of negative comments coming up in the OT about those scenes. I'm sure there were a scant few that were fine with it, but overall it didn't really sit well and mostly felt unneeded for the story to progress.
KLK would have been better without those moments. I don't like them. It's too extreme a trait to give a an evil character in what is otherwise a very light-hearted action series. Which is precisely why I would have no problem with them editing those moments out for a Toonami airing.
If they do pass on KLK because of there is too much to censor, then they better damn well get TTGL on the block! Unless Aniplex want's to charge a ridiculous amount, there is no reason it couldn't air on US TV because it already has once before.
If they do pass on KLK because of there is too much to censor, then they better damn well get TTGL on the block! Unless Aniplex want's to charge a ridiculous amount, there is no reason it couldn't air on US TV because it already has once before.
Dr.Palutena
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I would like say, be it "on purpose" to make "a point"" or via satire, the use of serious issues simply to illustrate that someone is evil is not only lazy, but irresponsible story telling. People tend to get caught up on the idea the criticism simply comes from a point of condemning something because it should be "censored" or "not exist" but mostly it's a matter of these things typically being handled very very irresponsibly (and w.r.t movies and video games being treated as evocative, edgy, new, nuanced).
Which is why everyone hates Mark Millar, the patron saint of using rape as a plot device.
Jokes aside, I agreee 110%. There are so many other ways to show someone is evil, it just shows a lack of creativity.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
Unnecessary, but not worse than some of the stuff in Adult Swim's original programming.
I wouldn't mind either way if it was cut out or not. It's not a prevalent thing in the show so it wouldn't be noticeable if it was edited.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
Outside of the jelly bean rape scene in Rick & Morty, I can't think of any Adult Swim original programming that pushes the envelope in regards to sexual abuse. Even Family Guy, the king of mainstream edginess, hasn't crossed that line. People take this shit seriously, the way it was portrayed in KLK is not only lazy storytelling, but also offensive. I'm not sure if it should just be swept under the rug.
I watched Toonami.......
Lol jk I had a pretty good weekend. Went to my uncle's house like usual for Memorial Day. Water was too cold to go swimming though.
From what I've seen it looks like a poor mans GTA.
Yeah I have a feeling Redline will come soon.
Same with Sailor Moon.
I really don't want Death Note on the block. I feel like it's one of those "it's been aired enough" shows.
Toonami Archive and Toonami Arsenal? What about ToonamiGAF!?!?!
So AoT S2 will air if the first one does good. Now the real question is if SAO did well enough to show the second season.
I... I thought you knew but were too lazy to fix it.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure there were some scenes in the most recent seasons of Family Guy that had more touchy-feeliness happening on screen and went on for a lot longer than the KLK stuff.
Those scenes in KLK were def "C'mon Son" and "Why?" moments but they didn't bother me as much as what happened in SAO. Oddly enough, I noticed this discrepancy in my emotional reactions back when this first aired and I decided to be introspective as to why on a logical scale they are similarly as bad but they didn't get as strong an emotional reaction. What I concluded was
A) Some of the imagery was more "on point" in SAO and really emphasized the helplessness (why tentacles? why tear licking?). It really made me feel (that and the dialogue) that the slugs and Oberon wanted to go "all the way" and would've if it weren't for whatever plot reasons prevented it.
B) It felt a little less forced? (Who would choose slugs as an avatar in an MMORPG?)
C) Without the creeper stuff, I could still buy Ragyo as a threat. Without the creeper stuff, Oberon wasn't even really a thing. I'm not sure if that should matter at all but it felt ever so slightly less lazy because I thought they did a good enough job selling Ragyo as a villain outside the creeper shit.
D) I think the male vs. female and female vs. female dynamics are intrinsically different when it comes to these sorts of acts. It probably plays into the unfortunate sexual double standards in place in many aspects of modern society. Sexual acts (including violence) have equal power regardless of the sex/gender of the perpetrator but I think its hard in our current climate to have as strong a visceral reaction if the perpetrator is female than if they are male.
E) Satsuki and Ryuko had momentary lapses in agency but overall they still were the main characters and they were still in charge (Ryuko gets tossed around too much throughout the series to be fair for my liking but she's still the hero). Asuna was regulated to worthless and then damsel in distress SUPER quick. Her character was destroyed! and those shitty scenes were like the cherry on top of the show's goal to shit on Asuna. It also played up a lot into the hero worship element (only Kirito can save her) that was totally absent from KLK. In SAO it felt creepy AND misogynist whereas in KLK it only felt creepy (though maybe its also misogynist?).
Does any of that make sense? Logically, I don't think KLK deserves any free passes in this regard. I can only argue why I don't think it got as strong a reaction out of me as SAO did.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
I haven't actively followed Family Guy since 2010 so I'll just defer to you in that regard. Still, I have a hard time believing what they showed is anywhere near as risque as KLK considering the episodes air on Fox before coming to AS.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
We interrupt this Kill la Kill discussion to bring you the ridiculous post of a Fairy Tail fanboy.
I think this guy had too much of the "friendship" Kool-Aid.
Also, I don't think the anime has reached the parts where the fanservice becomes borderline porn.
Fairy Tale wants to be One Piece so badly it isn't even funny. *insert Shanks and Gildarts images here*
I don't comment on it much since I don't think it is as popular as One Piece in the US (I think) and starting more shit on Manga v. Manga would veer the topic away from Toonami shows.
I don't comment on it much since I don't think it is as popular as One Piece in the US (I think) and starting more shit on Manga v. Manga would veer the topic away from Toonami shows.
Because the main
"rapey" scene that people point to in KLK wasn't even rapey, that was consensual as fuck (well, as consensual as things can be between an anime adult and her anime minor daughter, but you know what I mean). She wasn't being bound up, fighting, resisting, saying no, or doing anything to suggest she wasn't totally on-board with that bath scene. Hell, it was pretty clear that she was actually intentionally there for it to happen in the first place. That's in stark contrast to, say, any such scene in SAO. Was it weird and creepy and off-putting because of the whole incest angle and the fact that Ragyo is just generally a sinister and menacing lady (and of course the age factor, but really, does anybody take anime ages seriously)? Sure was. But it's a very different beast from what SAO gets vilified for.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
Gucci Messiah
Banned
I really hope you're not trying to downplay the fact that an 18 year old girl in high school got molested by her mother as 'consensual' because that would be a pretty messed up line of reasoning. It was rape, no quotation marks needed. Just because Satsuki didn't fight back against an authority figure that she trusted and has a blood bond to doesn't make it ok.
It's not a different beast, sexual abuse is sexual abuse and that topic is extremely upsetting to me. I'd rather it not be portrayed at all.
It's not a different beast, sexual abuse is sexual abuse and that topic is extremely upsetting to me. I'd rather it not be portrayed at all.
I totally forgot about Robot Chicken, that has definitely pushed the rape envelope as well. Although it's kind of different in that they portray male on male instead of male on female; I think that's intentional.
The best show. The. Best. Fucking. Show.
so fucking good
Schadenfreude
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Yes! YES! All must know the glory of HxH.
HxH deserves all the hype it gets.
BassForever
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Considering the whole reason that scene happened was to
unlock Satsuki's full power
trying to get off sexually from the grope scene, she was primarily there to awaken her daughters true strength in preparation for the promised day
Way to prove my point.
Have you seen it?
Time to eek my way past bad panel questions.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
Hunter X Hunter Episode 131
And....this..
is...to...go...
even...further...
BEYOND!!!
And....this..
is...to...go...
even...further...
BEYOND!!!
It actually wasn't that bad. There was one question about subs, one about weekdays, one about AoT having a cut opening once..
Okay maybe it was.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
Not trying to be a dick but I'm not surprised that scene didn't bother the king of uncle phil reaction pics. I don't give a shit if the purpose was to 'awaken her true strength' because it was a poorly executed scene on a serious topic. I don't take sexual abuse lightly or brush it off in any form of entertainment, that shit was just sickening.
i might need to take a break from posting because I'm starting to get pissed off.
It helps that Jason is a champ online and off.
lmao
yea there isn't really anyway to turn those scenes into anything positive. Shit is a little 2edgy4me. It doesn't even make sense since the show is light hearted as hell
That was my first time hearing/seeing him speak. To me, he seems like such a loose cannon on his twitter but on the panel he was downright pleasant and friendly.
Hunter X Hunter Episode 131
And....this..
is...to...go...
even...further...
BEYOND!!!
Just wait until it all comes together.
Hunter X Hunter Episode 131
And....this..
is...to...go...
even...further...
BEYOND!!!
Had to go into the anime thread to make sure what all the fuss was about. I have to agree, that portion of the manga is just nuts to begin with. I don't even think I could imagine how insane it would be animated.
While still being an 'a-ha' moment in the series as to what was going on, it didn't make those sections any less creepy or even necessary. Even if it the purpose wasn't
for either party to "get off" in any way, it was highly sexualized every time. It completely flies in the face of the way they discuss sexualized tropes with both Ryuuko and Nudist Beach early in the series.
I do agree with your comments on SAO. I feel bad about this, but I feel that a lot of what Crocodile said earlier is applied to differences between the two about how individuals view male v male, male v female, and female v female. I won't go any farther into that because I feel he best articulated that in his previous post.
I don't think I buy that whatever Ragyo's intentions were (with regards to why as opposed to like how far she might go) really "excuse" those scenes or their perversity on a logical axis.
I'm sorry you feel this way and I hope nothing I've said has contributed to this. If so I apologize. If you think you need a break to "recharge" feel free to do so. I would like some feedback on my earlier post though just regarding the emotional implications (as opposed to the logical ones). If you think my thought processes are faulty I'd appreciate being called out on them so I can re-evaluate.
BassForever
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Hey I call it like I see it and the klk scene was really over blown by people where as sao deserved the flak it got. The first time watching sao I felt uncomfortable watching it. KLK it honestly just felt par for the course in a show that was already being overly sexualized from episode 1 when Ryoko's battle suit was shown. Its a weird scene and I'd be just as happy without it, but its not a make or break scene for a whole series.
No I agree that the scene is unnecessarily over sexualized and I could happily live with out it, but it didn't piss me off or disturb me the way the sao scene did because of the context. My comments were strictly comparing the two scenes, KlK's scene made me sigh and shake my head while feeling a bit weirded out, SAO's scene actually pissed me off and I felt disgusted that I was still watching the series.
In KLK being overly sexualized is like being friends in one piece or believing in yourself in Naruto, its the shonen magic that makes characters stronger. Again I think the scene was a bit too over the top, but in the context of its own series and in context of why it happened I wasn't disgusted or upset by it, I was weirded out.
I hope that makes sense
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