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TheJollyCorner
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Jesus F'in H Christ... who actually gives a shit about FF1 and FF2?
FFIV, V, and VI deserve juiced up, high-res, reworked, enhanced 2D sprite versions much more... and here's the kicker, Square-Enix: people actually WANT these games enhanced. I won't be greedy and say I'd rather have more-realized 3D PlayStation 2 quality remakes (I'd rebuy all at full price, no doubt
), but even just beautifully redone 2D would be appreciated.
We already have reworked versions of FF1 and 2... three goddamn times over (Wonderswan, PS1, and GBA).
What do we get with the later, greater 2D FF's? A slightly (and I mean like a sliver of slightly) prettied up FFIV for GBA and FFVI with no graphical enhancements, but some cheap additions.
I use to be a big Square whore... but now even I'm starting to question some of these decissions.
I hope this is just the beginning of the FF Anniversary announcements, but this says "HAPPY 20 YEARS FF" to FF fans about as much as me giving my wife a stumbling donkey-punch as a thoughtful anniversary gift. -_-
FFIV, V, and VI deserve juiced up, high-res, reworked, enhanced 2D sprite versions much more... and here's the kicker, Square-Enix: people actually WANT these games enhanced. I won't be greedy and say I'd rather have more-realized 3D PlayStation 2 quality remakes (I'd rebuy all at full price, no doubt
), but even just beautifully redone 2D would be appreciated.We already have reworked versions of FF1 and 2... three goddamn times over (Wonderswan, PS1, and GBA).
What do we get with the later, greater 2D FF's? A slightly (and I mean like a sliver of slightly) prettied up FFIV for GBA and FFVI with no graphical enhancements, but some cheap additions.
I use to be a big Square whore... but now even I'm starting to question some of these decissions.
I hope this is just the beginning of the FF Anniversary announcements, but this says "HAPPY 20 YEARS FF" to FF fans about as much as me giving my wife a stumbling donkey-punch as a thoughtful anniversary gift. -_-
I'm pretty sure that they've ECLIPSED Mario-whoring. I mean, even Nintendo wasn't so bold as to remake the original Super Mario Bros. as many times (and in as many places) as we've seen FF1. And Nintendo has also released several more IPs under the Mario banner, and while they may not be everyone's cup of tea, at least it's offering a more varied scope.RevenantKioku said:
I mean, if we're gonna compare, we might want to pair them on equal terms. Sorry, I side with them being closer to the EA/Ubisoft comparison here, though not quite THAT far off the deep end.
Pureauthor
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Amir0x said:
No, it's really got nothing to do with pretense. I understand the mechanics behind the game are solidly executed. And that's it. From then on, it's just all up to whether or not one enjoys the game/whether or not those mechanics should have been implemented in the first place. And since enjoyment is entirely subjective, I have no claim as to whether or not it's a good game on that premise. And frankly, I see no reason why anyone else should have that claim either.
Pureauthor said:
Are they solidly executed? What didn't you enjoy about the game, then? All I am saying is, if you didn't enjoy the game there's really no reason to say "oh yeah Metal Gear is great, it's just not for me." If you like action games or stealth games, but not Metal Gear, then there's a very real reason for that. And while it's always subjective, that doesn't mean it's bad to just say so.
More specifically on topic, these announcements augment why SquareEnix has lost sway with me. Fortunately, companies like Atlus have picked up the slack... at least for now.
Chris Michael
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Amir0x said:Yes really!
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not like there's anything more to contribute to the thread anyway.
Red Blaster
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Terrell said:
Yep, instead they just ported it and charged 20 bucks for it.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
cool. i'll probably get these eventually when they're closer to 20 bucks or so, though. i've already got the PSOne re-released
:rollseyes
I cant believe you people are arguing with Amir0x, wow good luck with that! I mean no offense to Amir0x but seriously come on. I've seen this far too many times, Amir0x posts some gaffers get outraged 2 or 3 pages later and still the same discussion over the same thing with probably some bans here and there.
I cant believe you people are arguing with Amir0x, wow good luck with that! I mean no offense to Amir0x but seriously come on. I've seen this far too many times, Amir0x posts some gaffers get outraged 2 or 3 pages later and still the same discussion over the same thing with probably some bans here and there.
Woo, these might be the first FF games I don't buy since DoC!
What on earth is the point in this? You can get both games ON THE SAME CART for GBA. Is there a massive non-GBA-owning PSP audience?
I got halfway through FF1 on the WSC, halfway through it again on PS1, and finally completed it on GBA. No way am I doing that bloody volcano dungeon again.
What on earth is the point in this? You can get both games ON THE SAME CART for GBA. Is there a massive non-GBA-owning PSP audience?
I got halfway through FF1 on the WSC, halfway through it again on PS1, and finally completed it on GBA. No way am I doing that bloody volcano dungeon again.
Pureauthor
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Amir0x said:
Fundamentally, I don't like the sneaking around.
Actually, there is a reason. I honestly think Metal Gear Solid is a great, wonderful game. I simply didn't enjoy it very much at all.
Actually, as far as threads that have been 'Amir0xed' go, I'd say this is one the better ones.
Pureauthor said:
That's the 'genre' clause. If you don't like stealth games, you should just avoid stealth games. That's a tiny bit different than someone who enjoys RPGs, but hates a certain RPG because it does something they don't like. There's a billion people who enjoys FFVII, but there's just as vocal a crowd that doesn't. Would this crowd say it's a "great game, but I didn't enjoy it"? Does that really make sense, if these are people that enjoy RPGs in general?
Error2k4 said:well I was trying to have fun too! but people take this too seriously
Honestly, this is not serious. No one should take this stuff seriously. I enjoy these discussions with GAFers, that's why I keep having them
I echo jonnyram's sentiments. The only way these games would be worth it is if they were remade to the level that Final Fantasy III for DS was. Not only have these games been ported multiple times already, but there's a GBA game that includes BOTH I and II that goes for $19.99 now. And there's none of that loading that will probably be present in the PSP game. How many people don't have a GBA/DS, again?
TheJollyCorner
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I must be the only person that thinks FFIII DS is eye-bleedingly ugly and would have rather seen a remade 2D version...
... and I'm not even one of these old school 2D purists.
... and I'm not even one of these old school 2D purists.
jaundicejuice
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I was excited, until I clicked the pic and looked at it.
TheJollyCorner said:I must be the only person that thinks FFIII DS is eye-bleedingly ugly and would have rather seen a remade 2D version...
... and I'm not even one of these old school 2D purists.
Heh, no I agree with you there. At least on DS, I would prefer it to be remade in higher quality 2D. At least, that would have improved one of the aspects I disliked about the game.
Dick in a box?TheJollyCorner said:
Pureauthor
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Amir0x said:
I don't like the sneaking around in Metal Gear Solid. That means I dislike stealth genre games. But that is also because sneaking around is something fundamental to the stealth genre. You can't have stealth without sneaking around. It just doesn't happen.
What is fundamental to the RPG genre? It's so incredibly diverse and all-over the place that it would be incredibly difficult to simply find a single thing. Maybe HP bars and stat crunching - but aside from that... I got nothing.
Let's go back to the stealth genre argument. Say person A likes sneaking around and doing the stuff normally done in stealth games. But then say there's a new stealth game with a mechanic that dictates you lose life at a varying rate depending of severity of wounds you receive. 'Bleeding' damage, if you will. Person A may dislike this mechanic. Thus he dislikes the game.
But say there's a genre in which the bleeding damage mechanic is fundamental to the genre itself. Does he get a free pass to say the game from the stealth genre 'sucks' because of the bleeding mechanic, yet can't say that the bleeding genre as a whole sucks due to the 'genre' clause?
Genres aren't really in issue here, as far as I'm concerned. Not to mention, as we've said, RPGs barely have any fundamental mechanics to all of them anyway.
Honestly, this is not serious. No one should take this stuff seriously. I enjoy these discussions with GAFers, that's why I keep having them
I think a lot of people don't enjoy reading these arguments, though. :lol
Mr. Pointy
Member
The minute you think Square Enix are actually properly supporting the PSP, you realise it's just a ruse.
Pureauthor said:
Well, I'm not sure what you mean in the context of the Metal Gear example. So do you agree that there is a difference between people just disliking a genre because it doesn't appeal to them (such as Metal Gear, since you're no fan of stealth games), and people disliking a particular game in a genre because it has a lot of mechanics that are lame to them?
In the ladder example, why should people have to say "Oh yeah it's great, but I didn't enjoy it"? There are people who enjoy everything, so where is the line that says 'this is genuinely great, but I didn't enjoy it' or 'this is a shitty game, but some people still happen to like it'? This in of itself is a subjective decision, of course.
Pureauthor said:
Why, I was voted one of the top posters of 2006 in that GAF thread! :lol More seriously, nobody is forced to read and everyone is welcomed to participate if they like. Up to them, naturally
TheJollyCorner
Member
isn't there some kind of running joke about either Metal Gear or Zelda somehow worming their way into every possible ****ing thread? There's gotta be... :lol
Here's my pedestrian idea for a fantastic Final Fantasy 20th Anniversary release for fans of the series:
Make some nifty 30-40 minute, Amano-inspired animation that somehow tells FF1's story (even if it's in still picture form with some fancy effects/music/narrator/etc.) and create a DVD/Blu-Ray/whatever that is absolutely filled with art, designs, music, making-of info, new CG movies, etc. for all 12 games in the main series. Throw in a playable version of FFXIII on the Blu-Ray and release the son of a bitch on 12-28-07 as a "happy anniversary" present to fans. Toss in some kind of Amano lithograph *signed for the ultra-limited-edition-expensive people* and put a price of around $39 ($129 for the limited edition crystal tin +Amano sig version)... I'd imagine it would pull in quite a bit.
The CG part is kind of pushing it, since making new movies of popular scenes from 12 games isn't quite that easy, but this little fantasy idea of mine was assuming S-E had been planning this little party at least for the past couple years.
...or they could just port FF1 and 2 to PSP.
Here's my pedestrian idea for a fantastic Final Fantasy 20th Anniversary release for fans of the series:
Make some nifty 30-40 minute, Amano-inspired animation that somehow tells FF1's story (even if it's in still picture form with some fancy effects/music/narrator/etc.) and create a DVD/Blu-Ray/whatever that is absolutely filled with art, designs, music, making-of info, new CG movies, etc. for all 12 games in the main series. Throw in a playable version of FFXIII on the Blu-Ray and release the son of a bitch on 12-28-07 as a "happy anniversary" present to fans. Toss in some kind of Amano lithograph *signed for the ultra-limited-edition-expensive people* and put a price of around $39 ($129 for the limited edition crystal tin +Amano sig version)... I'd imagine it would pull in quite a bit.
The CG part is kind of pushing it, since making new movies of popular scenes from 12 games isn't quite that easy, but this little fantasy idea of mine was assuming S-E had been planning this little party at least for the past couple years.
...or they could just port FF1 and 2 to PSP.
Get used to it FF fans. *holds Biohazard umbrella above head*
To add something constructive to this thread, I think it's okay for SE to do this. Just don't charge 5800 Yen each. I think ultimately Famicom Mini versions of the first two would have been slightly more interesting.
To add something constructive to this thread, I think it's okay for SE to do this. Just don't charge 5800 Yen each. I think ultimately Famicom Mini versions of the first two would have been slightly more interesting.
TheJollyCorner
Member
cvxfreak said:
hey now... that BioHazard 10th Anniversary Umbrella Briefcase thing (or was that just for the 5th year?) is nothing to be ashamed of.
Kobun Heat
Member
"Good morning, Kawazu-san. Thanks for having me here today, to a meeting in your opulent Executive Producer office."
"Congratulations, Hirai-san, on becoming president of SCE, our former most important industry partner."
"Thank you. As the new president, it's my job to pick up where Kutaragi-san left off and continue to forge strong relationships with software makers."
"Of course. Well, I'm not sure what we'll really be able to do for the PSP at this point. We'd only be able to make our money back on ports of PlayStation 1 games, but that ship has pretty much sailed after PS3."
"Please. I'll take anything."
"I'll put another SaGa game on it! I'll make it myself!"
"Oh, man. When I said anything, I didn't mean it."
"Well, that was my last idea. We don't have any other old content that's not already earmarked for DS or Virtual Console. Unless we ported some old GBA games to PSP. Hahahahahaha!"
"Hahaahaahahahahahahaha!"
"Hahaahahahahaahahahaahahahahahahah!"
"..."
"Haahaha... why did you stop laughing?"
"Could... could you do that?"
"...I'll talk to some people."
TheJollyCorner
Member
Avalon said:Is Amano even involved with FF anymore?
he still makes the logos.
He has a pretty good relationship with Yoshinori Kitase, from what I remember reading in an interview back when FFX was released. Too bad Kitase can't make another FF utilizing Amano's art-style it seems.
I'd love to see another Amano/Naora art collaboration like FFVI. One of the most interesting (and wasted, due to technical limitations) artistic atmospheres in any FF, or RPG for that matter...
Mr. Pointy
Member
Kobun Heat wins again.
Mr. Pointy
Member
Also, I don't suppose anyone would know if Square actually have something decent coming out for the 20th anniversary?
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Wow, this is terrible...who exactly are these aimed at? The people who don't have Playstations, Game Boy Advances, DSes, NESes, DoCoMo Cell Phones, or Wonderswans, but really, really like FF enough to buy them on PSP, but don't like them so much that they already emu'd them?
Man oh man, and we thought RockmanRockman's sales were borked.
As for FFT:LW, when I saw Balthier was being added, my instant reaction was "woohoo!", but then I thought about how well adding a character into a pre-existing story without Matsuno's involvement would go...now, I'm not so sure. I guess we'll see on that one.
Man oh man, and we thought RockmanRockman's sales were borked.
As for FFT:LW, when I saw Balthier was being added, my instant reaction was "woohoo!", but then I thought about how well adding a character into a pre-existing story without Matsuno's involvement would go...now, I'm not so sure. I guess we'll see on that one.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Heh. Considering multiple Cids, it would be pretty funny to start seeing multiple Balthiers too.Zen said:
Err, in the same way it meant III through IX made their way to WSC and GBA?Link316 said:
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
ethelred said:
You know, it's funny, I own all those systems but never actually played any of these specific FF, I always say I will pick up all the FF games one way or another....eh...well I guess I can't help it, I do have to many games to go through my backlog as is.
RevenantKioku
PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
JoshuaJSlone said:
FFV's MID TO BE RENAMED TO BALTHIER IN NEXT FFV REMAKE.