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Comic Nerds, can we talk about how messed up Marvel's Celestial Madonna arc was?

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It's worse than Slayven makes it seem. Angel and the girl (Husk) have sex in the sky while the X-Men and her parents/siblings watch.

In broad daylight, directly in front of the sun, while they cheer him on.

Angel might be the weirdest long running character in history, the dude's character is all over the place and has done pretty much everything but become god.
 

Game Guru

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And we're done here. Pregnancy is always weird in comics. Always.
 

Dalek

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That's sorta endearing.



Don't tell me they killed him...

Why does marvel hate the runaways so much? ;___;

Worse. They Tom King basically character assassinated him. There's basically no way he can ever come back from the hole they wrote him into.

Some time later, Victor moves in with Vision after getting an internship in Washington, D.C. It is later revealed that Victor is actually acting as an undercover agent for the Avengers, with orders to spy on Vision and his family due to their increasingly erratic behavior.[12] It is revealed via flashbacks that during his time with the Runaways, Victor had secretly developed an addiction to vibranium, which for him acts similar to narcotics used by humans. After using the vibranium in a special piano given to Vision by Black Panther, Victor misjudges the strength of his powers and accidentally kills Vision's son, Vin.[13] Victor's cybernetic heart was ripped out of his body by Vision's wife Virginia, seemingly killing him. With his final thoughts, he is at peace, knowing that he "will never be Victorious."[14]
 
One day, Marvel/DC will actually let a woman write a pregnancy story, and actually let the superhero have a normal child that they don't lose to time travel or the multiverse that also doesn't have superpowers.

One day.
 

kswiston

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One day, Marvel/DC will actually let a woman write a pregnancy story, and actually let the superhero have a normal child that they don't lose to time travel or the multiverse that also doesn't have superpowers.

One day.

Normal kids are just killed in crossover events for shock value.
 

Squalor

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One day, Marvel/DC will actually let a woman write a pregnancy story, and actually let the superhero have a normal child that they don't lose to time travel or the multiverse that also doesn't have superpowers.

One day.
And comic book nerds will rage on the Internet.
 

Slayven

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In broad daylight, directly in front of the sun, while they cheer him on.

Angel might be the weirdest long running character in history, the dude's character is all over the place and has done pretty much everything but become god.

Dude started as a hardcore vigilante calling the Avenging Angel. He been every which way but loose
 

Sandfox

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One day, Marvel/DC will actually let a woman write a pregnancy story, and actually let the superhero have a normal child that they don't lose to time travel or the multiverse that also doesn't have superpowers.

One day.
Superheroes having normal children a waste, and depending on how the powers work it makes more sense for them to be inherited.
 

PSqueak

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Worse. They Tom King basically character assassinated him. There's basically no way he can ever come back from the hole they wrote him into.

Some time later, Victor moves in with Vision after getting an internship in Washington, D.C. It is later revealed that Victor is actually acting as an undercover agent for the Avengers, with orders to spy on Vision and his family due to their increasingly erratic behavior.[12] It is revealed via flashbacks that during his time with the Runaways, Victor had secretly developed an addiction to vibranium, which for him acts similar to narcotics used by humans. After using the vibranium in a special piano given to Vision by Black Panther, Victor misjudges the strength of his powers and accidentally kills Vision's son, Vin.[13] Victor's cybernetic heart was ripped out of his body by Vision's wife Virginia, seemingly killing him. With his final thoughts, he is at peace, knowing that he "will never be Victorious."[14]

Jesus christ, this infuriates me in the same level of Karolina cheating on Xavin with absolutely no second thought.

And Chase and Nico used as cannon fodder for a shock value battle arena bullshit arc.

And Molly becoming a third rate X-men character.

Please tell in the very least Klara is okay.
 
Superheroes having normal children a waste, and depending on how the powers work it makes more sense for them to be inherited.

How.

Having a normal kid presents a shitload of things and directions they can take the character in. giving the child super-powers gives them two. Either the kid is a hero too, or they turn evil. Or they die.
 

Squalor

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How.

Having a normal kid presents a shitload of things and directions they can take the character in. giving the child super-powers gives them two. Either the kid is a hero too, or they turn evil. Or they die.
So the vast majority of all hero comics.

Formula seems to be working just fine (from a financial standpoint, not necessarily a quality one).
 

Slayven

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Superheroes having normal children a waste, and depending on how the powers work it makes more sense for them to be inherited.
It kinda of bothered me how they hand waved how Stature got her powers. With that reasoning every avenger should develop growing and shrinking powers
 

kswiston

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Jesus christ, this infuriates me in the same level of Karolina cheating on Xavin with absolutely no second thought.

And Chase and Nico used as cannon fodder for a shock value battle arena bullshit arc.

And Molly becoming a third rate X-men character.

Please tell in the very least Klara is okay.

Chase and Nico made it through Avengers Arena. I never read the followup.
 

Mindwipe

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One day, Marvel/DC will actually let a woman write a pregnancy story, and actually let the superhero have a normal child that they don't lose to time travel or the multiverse that also doesn't have superpowers.

One day.

The sliding timelines don't let a child grow up.
 

Sandfox

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How.

Having a normal kid presents a shitload of things and directions they can take the character in. giving the child super-powers gives them two. Either the kid is a hero too, or they turn evil. Or they die.
If a kid is normal in a Superhero book that means they won't really be doing anything.
Chase and Nico made it through Avengers Arena. I never read the followup.
Outside of Mettle to set the tone of the book, AA only killed off characters like Reptil that people didn't like.
 
Mantra was actually a pretty fun book just like a lot of the pre-Marvel Ultraverse titles. It sucks we may never see any of those characters again.

For a really messed up comic involving a pregnancy, look no further than this gem:



They graphically depict the birth and aftermath in the comic. I was a bit surprised the first time I read that issue.

Fun fact, the original cover for this book had a more explicit warning about its contents

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Given what Slay has posted, I now want a similar warning in front of all comics that deal with the topic of childbirth and pregnancy

"Warning: This comic book contains an unintentionally revealing look into a male comic creator's fetishes and hangups about a woman's body."
 
I immediately thought back the the Carol Danvers mess with the OP, like many people.

One bit of trivial-- Mantis sort of crosses over to two different universes during her pregnancy. A character who is clearly meant to be her shows up in Justice League of America and then in an Eclipse comic-- all written by Mantis' creator, Steve Englehart.

DC Comics: Willow[edit]
After leaving Marvel Comics, writer Steve Englehart carried Mantis' tale through three other companies before returning to Marvel.[13]

In DC Comics' Justice League of America #142, she appears as Willow. Asked where she came from, Willow replies, "This one has come from a place she must not name, to reach a place no man must know." (Mantis refers to herself as "this one"). After two issues, she leaves to go give birth.

Eclipse: Lorelei[edit]
In the Eclipse Comics series Scorpio Rose #2 (according to Englehart's website [1]), the character calls herself Lorelei. By this time, she has given birth to a son. What would have been issue #3, a "lost" Lorelei/Scorpio Rose story, was later published in Coyote Collection #1 from Image Comics, the character's fourth company. Lorelei is later name-dropped in Englehart's 2010 novel The Long Man (page 355, mass market paperback edition).

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Given what Slay has posted, I now want a similar warning in front of all comics that deal with the topic of childbirth and pregnancy

"Warning: This comic book contains an unintentionally revealing look into a male comic creator's fetishes and hangups about a woman's body."

To be fair, that warning could appear on a lot of comics that have nothing to do with pregnancy as well.
 

Parallax

best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
One day, Marvel/DC will actually let a woman write a pregnancy story, and actually let the superhero have a normal child that they don't lose to time travel or the multiverse that also doesn't have superpowers.

One day.

graydon creed has already come and gone
 
There's going to be a whole generation that grows up thinking the Avengers were always a big deal, without having any idea that aside from like two runs they were perpetual garbage until the end of the millennium and everyone liked the X-Men instead.

The X-Men didn't sell and by the early 70s Marvel was just reprinting reruns. ( issues #67–93).

The Celestial Madonna arc ran in the spring of 1975, just as the new X-Men lineup including Wolverine, Storm, Colossus, etc was released.

The good things about the Celestial Madonna were the origin of the Krees, the origin of the Vision, the death of the Swordman, revelations about Immortus and Kang, This tied a lot of loosed ends seemingly covering more than a decade.

The Korvac Saga, the Bride of Ultron, the Nefaria Trilogy were some of my favorite Avengers story. The series fell off a cliff after that.
 
To be fair, that warning could appear on a lot of comics that have nothing to do with pregnancy as well.

Baby steps...

Actually, what would be interesting to see is how many childbirths actually proceed along a realistic timeline, as in Slay's examples a lot of these births just end in weirdness and superheroes seldom (if ever) actually have to expend time and energy rearing their progeny the way normies would. In Miracleman, the baby
reveals its super intelligence and powers shortly after its born
and just vanishes, cya. Neat, they don't have to deal with the struggle of childrearing so we can get back to the action.
 
Spider-woman's pregnancy happened like, a year ago and was still weird as shit. She had the baby in a skrull hospital in the middle of a black hole surrounded by aliens.

It's weird.



I don't even wanna know what weird perversions go through Mark Millar's head.

I read Ultimatum, that's enough.
That was Jeph Loeb.
 

Lagamorph

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Bad writing, bad relationships with women, and having a large demographic of people who will still buy it?

Well, I meant more an explanation for the image itself, like what's actually happening in the comic that the image could possibly relate to.
 

Gattsu25

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Okay, looks like comics are weird as hell.

I mean, I expected that I guess but...man...some of these?

Anyway, Saga is pretty good I take it?
 

Sesha

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Worse. They Tom King basically character assassinated him. There's basically no way he can ever come back from the hole they wrote him into.

Some time later, Victor moves in with Vision after getting an internship in Washington, D.C. It is later revealed that Victor is actually acting as an undercover agent for the Avengers, with orders to spy on Vision and his family due to their increasingly erratic behavior.[12] It is revealed via flashbacks that during his time with the Runaways, Victor had secretly developed an addiction to vibranium, which for him acts similar to narcotics used by humans. After using the vibranium in a special piano given to Vision by Black Panther, Victor misjudges the strength of his powers and accidentally kills Vision's son, Vin.[13] Victor's cybernetic heart was ripped out of his body by Vision's wife Virginia, seemingly killing him. With his final thoughts, he is at peace, knowing that he "will never be Victorious."[14]

That's monumentally fucking stupid. What fuckheaded editor approved that shit?


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Makes you look on their interactions in X-Men: Apocalypse in a different way.

Although basically the entire team used to hit on Jean or fantasize about her.
 

Veedot

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Worse. They Tom King basically character assassinated him. There's basically no way he can ever come back from the hole they wrote him into.

Some time later, Victor moves in with Vision after getting an internship in Washington, D.C. It is later revealed that Victor is actually acting as an undercover agent for the Avengers, with orders to spy on Vision and his family due to their increasingly erratic behavior.[12] It is revealed via flashbacks that during his time with the Runaways, Victor had secretly developed an addiction to vibranium, which for him acts similar to narcotics used by humans. After using the vibranium in a special piano given to Vision by Black Panther, Victor misjudges the strength of his powers and accidentally kills Vision's son, Vin.[13] Victor's cybernetic heart was ripped out of his body by Vision's wife Virginia, seemingly killing him. With his final thoughts, he is at peace, knowing that he "will never be Victorious."[14]

I just had a mix of rage, sadness, and confusion. My life was better off not knowing this, I just assumed the runaways were just in comic limbo.
 
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