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MASS EFFECT: ANDROMEDA – Gameplay Series #1: Combat

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Zakalwe

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i-Lo said:
I remember seeing the (gorgeous) model that they used for designing female Ryder. I think people are misinterpreting when some are saying that the models don't look good. It's down to the tech. It was the same issue with Miranda Lawson who was based on Yvonne Strahovski (who is stunning). To me, something just looks off and if I had to guess, the hair tech (and the style) could use a change.

Then again, that's the beauty of using character customization options.
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Not sure there's much beauty involved in Bioware's character customisation options. :p
I've actually managed to make some decent and even pretty looking characters in DA:I, but the rest are pretty limited. Especially with hair options, which Bioware have always been awful with.
 
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shinobi602

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matrix-cat said:
A good way to convey that the Ryders aren't seasoned soldiers would be to not have them gunning down dozens upon dozens of enemies with all manner of heavy ordnance in literally every trailer. Like, don't tell me they're just humble adventurers but then focus 90% of the marketing effort on all the different ways you can murder guys.

"Shoot from mid-air, use a flamethrower, respec on the fly to be ready for any murdering occasion, don't allow your enemies a moment of respite! Your weapon craves blood, and its thirst shall be slaked! Oh, but you're not a soldier, though".
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Which trailers? The only footage that shows heavy combat is the recent gameplay trailer focusing on combat...which of course will show just that. Did you not think there'd be a lot of shooting in a Mass Effect game?
 
masterkajo

masterkajo

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Zakalwe said:
To be fair, she looks like a normal person who isn't photogenically perfect. The things people are pointing out as "weird flaws" are things you'd find on every day people.

I don't get it:

"I hate when games make their characters look like supermodels"

"Man, these people look freakishly normal!"

I know we're not a hive-mind, but still.



Mass Effect 2 was the calm before the storm. It was absolutely required to be that way as a mid-entry, imo, and set 3 up perfectly (even if 3 dropped the ball by relegating most of its scope to the codex).
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I totally agree that Mass Effect 2 has to be the calm before the storm. But you end that game in the absolutely same position as Mass Effect 1.

IMO, Mass Effect 2 should have been about finding some way to possibly stop the Reapers. Explore different options and gather everyone to focus on the main thread. This means curing the Genophage, broker peace between Geth and Quaran, finding something akin the Crucible (though I hate the Crucible idea... would habe been awesome if it was another trap and you can decide to build or not). The ending could have been the Arrival mission but similar to the suicide mission. Voilà.

And Mass Effect 3 should focus entirely on the fight against the Reapers but a lot of choice where to fight, who should fight where and when. It could be a shorter game but play out totally differently depending on the choices on the previous games... if only.
 
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Zakalwe

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masterkajo said:
I totally agree that Mass Effect 2 has to be the calm before the storm. But you end that game in the absolutely same position as Mass Effect 1.

IMO, Mass Effect 2 should have been about finding some way to possibly stop the Reapers. Explore different options and gather everyone to focus on the main thread. This means curing the Genophage, broker peace between Geth and Quaran, finding something akin the Crucible (though I hate the Crucible idea... would habe been awesome if it was another trap and you can decide to build or not). The ending could have been the Arrival mission but similar to the suicide mission. Voilà.

And Mass Effect 3 should focus entirely on the fight against the Reapers but a lot of choice where to fight, who should fight where and when. It could be a shorter game but play out totally differently depending on the choices on the previous games... if only.
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There's no should really, you have a preference and that's fine. I think it was perfect the way it was, and I really liked how the Reaper threat tied into the Collector threat.

Had ME3 not forgotten Harbinger completely it could have paid off really well, too.
 
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ironcreed

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Tovarisc said:
Tones don't come over well in such short sentence without emoji. If you meant that as joke then my bad. People just seem to go into knots about some others not being in love with Ryder models, so making it personal wouldn't surprise me at this point.

Reveal of FemRyder + Combat trailer vs. every other showing of her highlights how her model suffers from lack of good lightning. She looks good in combat trailer.
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I even poked fun at her grin by posting a Joker smile video yesterday. It's all good. I am just not bothered by it because I always use the character creator and am also used to the fact that Mass Effect has always had some jank on the side. But even with said jank, this game is still a massive improvement over the old games.
 
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Back-In-Black

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Zakalwe said:
There's no should really, you have a preference and that's fine. I think it was perfect the way it was, and I really liked how the Reaper threat tied into the Collector threat.

Had ME3 not forgotten Harbinger completely it could have paid off really well, too.
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This. ME2 was perfectly fine, it really did feel like the Empire Strikes Back of the series. The problem is that ME3 dropped the ball on everything ME2 setup, it retroactively made ME2 pointless. But, that wasn't ME2's fault.
 
captainnapalm

captainnapalm

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Heckler456 said:
Doesn't matter what you think. It's a haircut. Complain when the character itself is somehow "edgy".

How the hell can a haircut in and of itself even by "edgy"? There are haircuts very similar to that one that are so mainstream that they're even called "bitchy soccer mom haircuts".
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You can't describe a haircut as edgy? But bitchy is ok, I guess.

It's a dumb argument anyway. Cora is clearly an attempt at a cool-looking companion, but she looks dated to me. Not a good look when something is set in the future.
 
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Kyoufu

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Back-In-Black said:
This. ME2 was perfectly fine, it really did feel like the Empire Strikes Back of the series. The problem is that ME3 dropped the ball on everything ME2 setup, it retroactively made ME2 pointless. But, that wasn't ME2's fault.
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ME2 was pointless even without ME3's existence.

You basically did nothing for 95% of the game until the very end. In fact, ME3 actually did more with The Illusive Man and actually displayed why he's such a menacing and sinister character. ME2 never, ever did that.
 
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matrix-cat

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shinobi602 said:
Which trailers? The only footage that shows heavy combat is the recent gameplay trailer focusing on combat...which of course will show just that. Did you not think there'd be a lot of shooting in a Mass Effect game?
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That's just all the more reason why the "they're not soldiers" thing rings hollow. We all know we're going to kill just as many people as Shepard did, with just as much skill; the fact that the Ryders weren't full-time soldiers up until this game seems like a meaningless distinction.
 
prag16

prag16

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captainnapalm said:
You can't describe a haircut as edgy? But bitchy is ok, I guess.

It's a dumb argument anyway. Cora is clearly an attempt at a cool-looking companion, but she looks dated to me. Not a good look when something is set in the future.
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I didn't see anybody call her haircut "bitchy". You seem to be trying to manufacture things to complain about. Don't forget how Vega got relentlessly dogpiled prelaunch for reasons similar to why you're shitting on Cora. And he turned out fine. Good even.

matrix-cat said:
That's just all the more reason why the "they're not soldiers" thing rings hollow. We all know we're going to kill just as many people as Shepard did, with just as much skill; the fact that the Ryders weren't full-time soldiers up until this game seems like a meaningless distinction.
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Well at the end of the day it's still a game. And we haven't given the story a chance to establish these characters yet. I'm sure it'll be nothing close to Nathan Drake level jarring "treasure hunting" slaughter. And that doesn't seem to bother most people so why would it be some kind of huge issue here?
 
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Back-In-Black

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Kyoufu said:
ME2 was pointless even without ME3's existence.

You basically did nothing for 95% of the game until the very end. In fact, ME3 actually did more with The Illusive Man and actually displayed why he's such a menacing and sinister character. ME2 never, ever did that.
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So just like the Empire Strikes Back? Also, TIM was WAY more interesting in ME2 than the cartoon villain he became in ME3.
 
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Heckler456

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captainnapalm said:
You can't describe a haircut as edgy? But bitchy is ok, I guess.

It's a dumb argument anyway. Cora is clearly an attempt at a cool-looking companion, but she looks dated to me. Not a good look when something is set in the future.
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I'm not describing the haircut as anything. The description refers to what type of person wears it. And before you start, if you think that the haircut Cora wears is only worn by edgy people, then you need to get out in a world a little more. It's a pretty common haircut.

As for this being a dumb argument, that I can agree on. There's nothing wrong with her haircut, and I'm not sure why you feel it necessary to keep harping on it. Or do you perhaps want all women to wear their hair long or something?
 
LlamaJohnson

LlamaJohnson

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Are all fans of other gaming series as critical as the ME fans? The amount of nitpicking and trashing creator choices seems to be more prevalent in ME threads than others. What is it? Is it resentment from the "RPG-ness" of ME1 to the "dumbed-down" gameplay of 2 and 3? People still hung up about how 3 ended? There are countless posts about whether or not Bioware should have put FemRyder in the trailers more than she has been. In a gaming universe so rich with story and possibilities, it's bothersome that almost every ME thread devolves into the same arguments.

Back on topic, I'm excited as hell for this game. I like the combat improvements. The more fluid the better. Nothing I hate more than a bad combat. I've played as an Engineer or Sentinel mostly....it'll be cool to throw some powers from another class in there too.
 
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shinobi602

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matrix-cat said:
That's just all the more reason why the "they're not soldiers" thing rings hollow. We all know we're going to kill just as many people as Shepard did, with just as much skill; the fact that the Ryders weren't full-time soldiers up until this game seems like a meaningless distinction.
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They're still soldiers, they have military training, it's just not the main draw of their character. In Mac's words, they're "part explorer, part soldier, part guide". They just haven't really been in real world combat scenarios. The distinction is there because of the game's direction. It's more to explore and discover what's in this new galaxy rather than hunker down and fight a war. Of course, there's going to be fighting along the way. I think it'll all fit within the context of the game when we finally play it.
 
captainnapalm

captainnapalm

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Heckler456 said:
I'm not describing the haircut as anything. The description refers to what type of person wears it. And before you start, if you think that the haircut Cora wears is only worn by edgy people, then you need to get out in a world a little more. It's a pretty common haircut.

As for this being a dumb argument, that I can agree on. There's nothing wrong with her haircut, and I'm not sure why you feel it necessary to keep harping on it. Or do you perhaps want all women to wear their hair long or something?
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I'm harping on it, because you keep nitpicking every little thing and arguing semantics and then I have to reply?

Great for you that you think there's nothing wrong with it. I think it looks terrible and dated and is a failed attempt at being edgy and cool.
 
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Heckler456

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captainnapalm said:
I'm harping on it, because you keep nitpicking every little thing and arguing semantics and then I have to reply?

Great for you that you think there's nothing wrong with it. I think it looks terrible and dated and is a failed attempt at being edgy and cool.
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I'm nitpicking? That's rich.

What's the point of sharing your opinion if you're not looking to have it challenged or questioned, or maybe even changed? Besides, I'm not arguing against you not liking her haircut. I'm arguing against the reasoning behind it, which is flawed. The point is that people sometimes just don't like a thing, and that you have to recognize the fact that you not liking it doesn't mean that that thing is "terrible, "dated", or "a failed attempt" at anything. You just don't like it.
 
captainnapalm

captainnapalm

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Heckler456 said:
I'm nitpicking? That's rich.

What's the point of sharing your opinion if you're not looking to have it challenged or questioned, or maybe even changed? Besides, I'm not arguing against you not liking her haircut. I'm arguing against the reasoning behind it, which is flawed. The point is that people sometimes just don't like a thing, and that you have to recognize the fact that you not liking it doesn't mean that that thing is "terrible, "dated", or "a failed attempt" at anything. You just don't like it.
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These are clearly my opinions. I'm not saying they're universal truths. A lot of people seem to like the designs. Lucky them. They're more pumped for the game than I am.
 
prag16

prag16

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Heckler456 said:
I'm nitpicking? That's rich.

What's the point of sharing your opinion if you're not looking to have it challenged or questioned, or maybe even changed? Besides, I'm not arguing against you not liking her haircut. I'm arguing against the reasoning behind it, which is flawed. The point is that people sometimes just don't like a thing, and that you have to recognize the fact that you not liking it doesn't mean that that thing is "terrible, "dated", or "a failed attempt" at anything. You just don't like it.
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Yep. I don't like it either. But the difference is I'm not on some mission to declare it objectively horrible. I like my approach better, when it comes to passing subjective judgment on things. The haters of Sara's face should take note too.
 
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Herne

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For some reason I can't get excited about this, but I bought it anyway because it's Mass Effect and I'm sure I'll love it. The latest video does look very good, though. To travel down a well-beaten path, however, Sara still looks weird for some reason and I just can't put my finger on it.

Oh well. Played with FemShep last time and I went with a female Inquisitor (for the tragic romance option), so I might go with Scott for this one.
 
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Staf

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prag16 said:
Yep. I don't like it either. But the difference is I'm not on some mission to declare it objectively horrible. I like my approach better, when it comes to passing subjective judgment on things. The haters of Sara's face should take note too.
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Just curious. Where is he/she doing this?
 
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Mr. Phellps

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The weird thing about Fem Ryder's face is that she's the only one of the siblings who actually look like she never had any true combat experience. She looks unexperienced. Maybe that's why she rubs some people the wrong way.
Male Ryder looks like just another young space marine. He actually looks like he could've been one of the companions of the original trilogy.
 
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Heckler456

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Staf said:
Just curious. Where is he/she doing this?
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He's made unfounded implications regarding their intentions with the hair cut; that they wanted to make it look "edgy and cool", and that they failed. To me, that's definitely trying to make it seem "objective", in that they delivered poor work.
 
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Staf

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Heckler456 said:
He's made unfounded implications regarding their intentions with the hair cut; that they wanted to make it look "edgy and cool", and that they failed. To me, that's definitely trying to make it seem "objective", in that they delivered poor work.
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What? You need to look up objectively vs subjectively. Anyway, i think the hair on the human female companion is fine. Subjectively, that is.
 
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Herne

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Mr. Phellps said:
The weird thing about Fem Ryder's face is that she's the only one of the siblings who actually look like she never had any true combat experience. She looks unexperienced. Maybe that's why she rubs some people the wrong way.
Male Ryder looks like just another young space marine. He actually looks like he could've been one of the companions of the original trilogy.
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I dunno. Initially it had to do with that awful animation when she took the gun from that Turian in the video from late last year, but in subsequent shots she seems fine. She seems to have a weird stance or... something about her body is off. Like she has a crooked spine or something. I dunno, it's hard to say.
 
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cb1115

I Was There! Official L Receiver 2/12/2016
yo shinobi, is this video indicative of how the PS4 Pro version's higher detail graphics mode is gonna look? just at 30 fps of course
 
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Mr. Phellps

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Herne said:
I dunno. Initially it had to do with that awful animation when she took the gun from that Turian in the video from late last year, but in subsequent shots she seems fine. She seems to have a weird stance or... something about her body is off. Like she has a crooked spine or something. I dunno, it's hard to say.
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The animation was off in that cutscene, yeah. Not just her disarming the Turian, her facial animations were off too.
She was fine in the EA Play 2016 trailer though, so maybe this is a hit or miss kind of thing...
 
prag16

prag16

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Staf said:
What? You need to look up objectively vs subjectively. Anyway, i think the hair on the human female companion is fine. Subjectively, that is.
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Me: "I don't like the hairstyle."

Other guy: "Wtf this is obviously a failed attempt by Bioware to have her seem edgy or cool. And it also looks really dated and stuff."

You can see the difference.
 
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Staf

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prag16 said:
Me: "I don't like the hairstyle."

Other guy: "Wtf this is obviously a failed attempt by Bioware to have her seem edgy or cool. And it also looks really dated and stuff."

You can see the difference.
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Yes, the tone is totally different.
 
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Tovarisc

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Fakeknowledge said:
Ta. Link isn't working for me but glad to see there's a new race teammate. I'll see what they're like but I'll probly go with Jaal and the Turian.
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prag16

prag16

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Staf said:
Yes, the tone is totally different.
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You're being pedantic. One comment was a simple opinion/preference, while the other goes the extra mile to make multiple claims about intent and execution that indicate major failures by the artists, with the added bonus of sounding somewhat angry/hostile.

You can cite dictionary definitions if you like, but you know damn well what I meant.
 
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Staf

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prag16 said:
You're being pedantic. One comment was a simple opinion/preference, while the other goes the extra mile to make multiple claims about intent and execution that indicate major failures by the artists, with the added bonus of sounding somewhat angry/hostile.

You can cite dictionary definitions if you like, but you know damn well what I meant.
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I just find it useful to differentiate hyperbolic subjective opinions and hyperbolic objective facts.
 
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gate stormer

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Dayuuuum I was gonna wait until fall to pick this up, but watching this trailer has made me do a 180. Gonna try to have my pc upgraded or pick up a ps4 pro by launch.
 
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Bisnic

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I'm not really fond of this alien look so far. There is so much... meat on the side of his face. I'll probably get used to it, but still.
 
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