Drunkensamurai
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except the main purpose of those devices are to make phone calls, not play videos games.
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except the main purpose of those devices are to make phone calls, not play videos games.
RDNA2 TF>>>> X1X TF
better architecture and better performance per TF. a 4TF RDNA2 GPU is much more powerful than a X1X.
ResilientBanana
Member
yurqqa
Member
They needed to keep selling One S and One X.
It’s like every party supporting the active president until they see that more and more people hate him and he has no chance on the next elections. Then they just blame him for everything and take out of the closet the next one who done no wrong to the people yet.
So MS will support old consoles with 4-5 first party games during first 1,5 year and then will forget about them. And that is good ! Third party should have modern console with SSD and all new architecture perks as a basis.
EverythingsOverrated
Member
If lockhart hits 299$ and MS slips in a free trial of gamepass they'll be able to get the more casual crowd at the start of the gen. The die hards always get consoles at or near launch. MS is trying to get the early lead in terms of install base and I think it's a really smart move.
tryDEATH
Member
Phone calls lmfao what year is this 2007? I guess those $70 billion people spent on mobile gaming don't exist and are a figment of our imagination.
GHG
Gold Member
Most people use mobile phones to call people, message people, take photos and whore themselves about on Instagram or dating platforms, not play games.
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tryDEATH
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Mobile gaming is a $68.5 billion global business, and investors are buying in | TechCrunch
By the end of 2019, the global gaming market is estimated to be worth $152 billion, with 45% of that, $68.5 billion, coming directly from mobile games.
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sendit
Member
Mobile gaming is a $68.5 billion global business, and investors are buying in | TechCrunch
By the end of 2019, the global gaming market is estimated to be worth $152 billion, with 45% of that, $68.5 billion, coming directly from mobile games.
Which gives no data on mobile phone usage. Mobile gaming maybe a billion dollar industry. However, this isn't what most people use their phones for.
Why do people use their smartphones everyday? | Gadget Cover
That might seem like a lot already, but get this: according to another Ofcom report cited by the Telegraph, a fifth of 16-24 year olds spend a whopping seven hours every day online.
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GHG
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Mobile gaming is a $68.5 billion global business, and investors are buying in | TechCrunch
By the end of 2019, the global gaming market is estimated to be worth $152 billion, with 45% of that, $68.5 billion, coming directly from mobile games.
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sendit
said above, just because the mobile gaming market is worth a lot it doesn't mean that's what most people use their phones for.Sid Of Bee
Member
I think this is a great idea. The visuals and system speed will surprise us.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
tryDEATH
Member
Which gives no data on mobile phone usage. Mobile gaming maybe a billion dollar industry. However, this isn't what most people use their phones for.
Why do people use their smartphones everyday? | Gadget Cover
That might seem like a lot already, but get this: according to another Ofcom report cited by the Telegraph, a fifth of 16-24 year olds spend a whopping seven hours every day online.www.gadget-cover.com
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This is literally the second paragraph, did you even bother reading?
"Today, mobile games account for 33% of all app downloads, 74% of consumer spend and 10% of all time spent in-app. It’s predicted that in 2019, 2.4 billion people will play mobile games around the world — that’s almost one-third of the global population. In fact, 50% of mobile app users play games, making this app category as popular as music apps like Spotify and Apple Music, and second only to social media and communications apps in terms of time spent. "
Neo_game
Member
Time will tell. But I do not think it has an future. I expect in 3-4yrs PS5 and X will be 300$ and may be there will be pro version ? So this S version will probably be phased out for good
sendit
Member
Screen time versus downloads are two different things. For example, I can download 5+ games every week and still spend more time using the browser. I'm not downplaying mobile games, but what you're suggesting is factually incorrect. Most people don't spend hours upon hours playing mobile games.
sendit
Member
It doesn't matter. Games will still hinge on the lowest common denominator during a generation.
tryDEATH
Member
Like is reading not your thing or what? It says right there that "50% of mobile app users play games" and don't put words into my mouth I never said. The only incorrect thing in this whole exchange was your opinion on mobile gaming and cell phones.
Have a nice day.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I hope they sell this little beast for $299.
sendit
Member
"50% of mobile app users play games" does not translate to usage. For example, an individual can spend 5 mins playing a mobile game versus 2 hours watching youtube videos. And this is exactly what the usage data is stating.
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Just cause Series X will drop in price doesn't mean Series S can't.
Let's say Series X drops to $400 from $500.
Series S can drop to $200 from $300.
That's the whole point of Series S to have a cheaper system for the whole 7 years of next gen. Or else they would have just went with One S support for first few years then only focus on Series X. But the strategy is to keep Series S for the whole gen.
Kokoloko85
Member
Do we know the speed of each CU? Cu amount doesnt matter as much as speed right?
For example
The current Xbox one X has more CU’s than the PS5 and maybe lockhard if its 20. Doesnt make the XBox one CPU faster or better than the new PS5’s CPU or Xbox series S/Lockhart.
Each of the PS5 CU’s is way faster than each Xbox One X CU.
For example
The current Xbox one X has more CU’s than the PS5 and maybe lockhard if its 20. Doesnt make the XBox one CPU faster or better than the new PS5’s CPU or Xbox series S/Lockhart.
Each of the PS5 CU’s is way faster than each Xbox One X CU.
eastwood333
Banned
Um.. at some point technology improves and MS has to move on to newer technology. He's being taken out of context. He was referring to backwards/forward compatability , XCloud etc... You will carry all you games you've ever baught on a MS ecosystem.
JerryinSoCal
Member
I'm guessing when they say it "supports ray tracing" it's like saying the PS5 and XSX "support 8K" it'll be technically possible but nobody will actually try to do it because of the sacrifices needed to actually use it.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I'm not even sure that could practically work? I mean games will (presumably) be made for XSX spec inc RT and then Lockhart will get textures and res cut to 1080P or whatever. I doubt RT will be in the hardware just to tick a box. If it is in the hardware it will be the same as XSX at a relative lower quality.
Rikkori
Member
Nah, it will be used. Remember, ray tracing scales a lot with resolution (because the numbers of rays correspond to the number of pixels). And also, some ray tracing effects can actually require less performance than rasterized equivalents (eg shadow cascades).
It's just gonna be the new low settings, that's all. No different than lower resolution shadow maps today or reduced coverage for a certain effect (ambient occlusion) etc.
Sony
Nintendo
I understand that Lockhart profits from all the architecture benefits of Zen2, RDNA and SSD. What I want to know, as a One X owner, is how much of a performance difference there is exactly.
In other words, if I own a One X, how much of an upgrade is a Lockhart/Series S really? I do believe it's an upgrade, but I want to know if it's worth shoving aside my One X in favor of a Series S.
In other words, if I own a One X, how much of an upgrade is a Lockhart/Series S really? I do believe it's an upgrade, but I want to know if it's worth shoving aside my One X in favor of a Series S.
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chilichote
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@1080p you get the new feature-set of RDNA(2). But not @4K. So yeah, better graphics for sure but lower resoulution.
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prinz_valium
Member
That's why a different approach is good.
Every consumer can chose what they want most.
Sony
Nintendo
I get that. I'm just curious how much better graphics Lockhart outputs compared to One X.
Yup.
Maybe BOM cost will be more cheaper then we think.
XsX BOM is, according to Daniel Ahmand 460-510$, so if you count out Blu-Ray drive (physical presence and fact, that you locked your customer into digital ecosystem), much smaller APU, less RAM, fact that Lockhart probably won't have more expansive split motherboard design and cheaper cooling you get pretty big "discount"
So, if people here on GAF thinks (any many of them thinks that way), that Sony will shave 100$ from base edition to Digital Edition and will sell it for 399$, I think, that Microsoft can sell Lockhart for 249$, which is awesome price if you ask me...
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I think it will compare well and likely have better and more modern effects like RT. Frame rates should be better/more stable coming from those Jaguar cores too.
I think I'm coming round to Lockhart after NXGamer seems to believe the XSX and disc drive PS5 are going to be £499 in the UK. This will be by far the highest price consoles ever here and think I don't want to justify spending that much on a console. A disc drive Lockhart at £299/£329 would probably get my business if MS bring the games later this month.
chilichote
Member
Well, theoretically like on the XSeX, only in 1080p^^
We'll know when MS decides to talk about XSeS.
Ilovemincecraft
Neo Member
20CUs at 1675Mhz if what github has given us is right.
TheGrat1
Member
Ilovemincecraft
Neo Member
Looking at the rx 5500 i’m that guessing the console is aiming for 1080p60 or 1440p60 and maybe some rt in the 1080p30 range.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Microsoft is going all-in this gen. It might work for them especially with how cautious people are going to be because of the economic uncertainty.
Unless Sony have a low budget machine to reveal (highly unlikely) then PS5D can’t compete with XSS in price even with a loss.
Unless Sony have a low budget machine to reveal (highly unlikely) then PS5D can’t compete with XSS in price even with a loss.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
The only thing gnawing at my brain here is ArmGunar's breakdown of Sony's financial forecast for PlayStation at Era the day before we knew about the DE PS5.
A pretty good argument for a $399 PS5 with a disc drive based on Sony's own numbers. Yet everyone else thinks the bare minimum pricing for the PS5 with a disc drive will be $499 and even £499 in the UK. Crazy IMO.
no one upgrades to a half ass machine.
And why would it be half assed? It’s about costumers budget?
And you can still play the latest and greatest. And in these corona times it could sell like crazy. If it’s in the 250 300 price range.
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Sony
Nintendo
Based on the 4K-tv install base numbers, it's more likely than not that you don't have a 4K-tv. In that case, getting a PS5 or a Series X is a waste of resources and a Series S is the perfect next gen console for you.
Drunkensamurai
Member
That's not my point. The main reason I buy an iPhone is to keep in touch with my family and friends not to play mobile games. The main reason I buy a video game console is to play video games. I can't remember the last time I bought a mobile game.
Drunkensamurai
Member
So Xbox is currently sitting at 46.9 million sales, I would love the see the sales breakdown between the XO, XBO, and XOX that made MS move to this two SKU with different configs for next-gen. I mean the Xbox One family sales aren't that great. They have to have some hard data that backs up this strategy, no? It's going to be interesting if it works out for them.
Dontero
Banned
Assuming those leaks about 4TFLOP are true. It could be more.
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
Last time some numbers were reported Im pretty sure it was mentioned they had passed 55 million units, or at least somewhere above 50 million.
It’s hard because there are no official numbers, but estimates are all over the place as well. And considering it’s been said that apparently MS has been doing better end of gen than early on I would be surprised that they’ve surpassed that 50 million mark by the time Series X is released if it hasn’t been done already.
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